Re: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Extremely delicious, I'm told.
On Feb 18, 2016 9:59 AM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:

> We only use Halo now for Miss Meg’s auxiliary animal shelter (both for the
> cats and the dog).  NO gas, they eat less of it, and cleaning out the box
> is MUCH less onerous than before.  IMHO, well worth the upcharge.
>
> Jon
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > He is a regular kitty and we use World's Best Litter, which is pretty
> > awesome for its clumping qualities.  I spray deodorizer that is supposed
> to
> > "kill" any odors.  He basically eliminates his weight in solid waste
> every
> > day.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have fed Iams or Science diet for a long, long time.  Cats are
> obligate
> >> carnivores, the more meat and "byproducts" -- guts and trimmings,
> mostly --
> >> there is is the food the better.
> >>
> >> They cannot digest corn or rice meal very well, and if those things are
> a
> >> major ingredient, they will have stinky poop, often serious diarrhea as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> Good stuff costs more, but they eat less and are healthier.
> >>
> >> Best food is probably mice
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes 
We only use Halo now for Miss Meg’s auxiliary animal shelter (both for the cats 
and the dog).  NO gas, they eat less of it, and cleaning out the box is MUCH 
less onerous than before.  IMHO, well worth the upcharge.

Jon


> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He is a regular kitty and we use World's Best Litter, which is pretty
> awesome for its clumping qualities.  I spray deodorizer that is supposed to
> "kill" any odors.  He basically eliminates his weight in solid waste every
> day.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have fed Iams or Science diet for a long, long time.  Cats are obligate
>> carnivores, the more meat and "byproducts" -- guts and trimmings, mostly --
>> there is is the food the better.
>> 
>> They cannot digest corn or rice meal very well, and if those things are a
>> major ingredient, they will have stinky poop, often serious diarrhea as
>> well.
>> 
>> Good stuff costs more, but they eat less and are healthier.
>> 
>> Best food is probably mice
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
He is a regular kitty and we use World's Best Litter, which is pretty
awesome for its clumping qualities.  I spray deodorizer that is supposed to
"kill" any odors.  He basically eliminates his weight in solid waste every
day.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have fed Iams or Science diet for a long, long time.  Cats are obligate
> carnivores, the more meat and "byproducts" -- guts and trimmings, mostly --
> there is is the food the better.
>
> They cannot digest corn or rice meal very well, and if those things are a
> major ingredient, they will have stinky poop, often serious diarrhea as
> well.
>
> Good stuff costs more, but they eat less and are healthier.
>
> Best food is probably mice
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
I have fed Iams or Science diet for a long, long time.  Cats are  
obligate carnivores, the more meat and "byproducts" -- guts and  
trimmings, mostly -- there is is the food the better.


They cannot digest corn or rice meal very well, and if those things  
are a major ingredient, they will have stinky poop, often serious  
diarrhea as well.


Good stuff costs more, but they eat less and are healthier.

Best food is probably mice

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Thats Halo food right? We tried Buster on it and it gave him terrible gas, he 
smelled awful. We use the Dick Van Patten stuff now. Turns out our dog has 
allergies so he gets the limited ingredient stuff.
-Curt

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 Subject: [MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses
   
Andrew,

How badly does the cat "waste" smell with that food?

SWMBO recently switched our two cats to Iams brand, and cleaning up the cat box 
is a much much more pleasant experience now.

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On February 17, 2016 12:34:25 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>My cat only gets the best - Spot's Stew salmon dry food.  Costs more
>than
>steak, but he never tires of it, and boy is he healthy.
>

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[MBZ] Cat food was Restoring headlight lenses....

2016-02-17 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
Andrew,

How badly does the cat "waste" smell with that food?

SWMBO recently switched our two cats to Iams brand, and cleaning up the cat box 
is a much much more pleasant experience now.

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'95 E300

On February 17, 2016 12:34:25 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>My cat only gets the best - Spot's Stew salmon dry food.  Costs more
>than
>steak, but he never tires of it, and boy is he healthy.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
Hendrik, why is it that you don't write with an Aussie accent?


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about unprocessed junk?

 Hendrik
 who is catless

 On 18/04/14 06:04, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 As opposed to processed junk.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 As opposed to fake fish?

 Hendrik
 whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned

  On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How about some real fish.



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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-19 Thread John Reames 
Like the BARF diet? ;) (bones and raw food... Ground up perhaps?)

(The marrow in the bones is probably good for them...)

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On Apr 18, 2014, at 22:59, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about unprocessed junk?
 
 Hendrik
 who is catless
 
 On 18/04/14 06:04, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 As opposed to processed junk.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As opposed to fake fish?
 
 Hendrik
 whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned
 
 On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How about some real fish.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food arrest

2014-04-19 Thread Hendrik and Fay 

Because if I did, the list police would throw me in jail.

Hendrik
who hears the sirens now

On 20/04/14 04:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Hendrik, why is it that you don't write with an Aussie accent?





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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
When I eat fish he always gets the juice from the package plus a few
morsels of cooked fish.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 As opposed to processed junk.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  As opposed to fake fish?
 
  Hendrik
  whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned
 
  On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
  How about some real fish.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-18 Thread Hendrik and Fay 

What about unprocessed junk?

Hendrik
who is catless

On 18/04/14 06:04, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

As opposed to processed junk.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

As opposed to fake fish?

Hendrik
whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned


On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
How about some real fish.



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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay 

As opposed to fake fish?

Hendrik
whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned

On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

How about some real fish.



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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-17 Thread John Reames 
Our cats had a (holistic) vet that swore by the BARF (bones and raw food) 
diet... Make your own food as it were.

We've given ours some of the smaller bits that result from making chicken or 
turkey stock...

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On Apr 16, 2014, at 13:52, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an arm
 and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share it with
 my cat.
 
 
 On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 IIRC it was Hurst that got me on to looking at ratings for the various
 foods. There are a few different sites that rate foods but they're pretty
 consistent.
 
 We used the Dick Van Patton stuff for awhile, can't remember why we
 stopped. PetCo has a lady there on weekends giving away samples which are
 great for training treats.
 Buster ate an ant trap at camp last fall and for some reason it put him
 off Solid Gold so we started with the Halo which he really likes.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:55 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cat Food
 Message-ID:
caciok3sjvqc9glhr4tm5dgqeq8zew5-qkptjzhac4yixjoe...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was also
 big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.  a
 few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat stuff
 but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch
 
 science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
 being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
Vet bills are too high to take chances with bony food.  One of our cats
ingested an end of a corn cob and surgery to remove it cost a couple
grand.  But he was/is a grand cat so it was worth the expense.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:05 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 Our cats had a (holistic) vet that swore by the BARF (bones and raw food)
 diet... Make your own food as it were.

 We've given ours some of the smaller bits that result from making chicken
 or turkey stock...

 --
 John W Reames
 jream...@verizon.net
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 Mobile: +14437915905

 On Apr 16, 2014, at 13:52, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an
 arm
  and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share it
 with
  my cat.
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  IIRC it was Hurst that got me on to looking at ratings for the various
  foods. There are a few different sites that rate foods but they're
 pretty
  consistent.
 
  We used the Dick Van Patton stuff for awhile, can't remember why we
  stopped. PetCo has a lady there on weekends giving away samples which
 are
  great for training treats.
  Buster ate an ant trap at camp last fall and for some reason it put him
  off Solid Gold so we started with the Halo which he really likes.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:55 -0400
  From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cat Food
  Message-ID:
 caciok3sjvqc9glhr4tm5dgqeq8zew5-qkptjzhac4yixjoe...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
  i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was
 also
  big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.
  a
  few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat
 stuff
  but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch
 
  science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
  being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-17 Thread dseretakis 
As opposed to processed junk.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As opposed to fake fish?
 
 Hendrik
 whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned
 
 On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How about some real fish.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an arm
and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share it with
my cat.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 IIRC it was Hurst that got me on to looking at ratings for the various
 foods. There are a few different sites that rate foods but they're pretty
 consistent.

 We used the Dick Van Patton stuff for awhile, can't remember why we
 stopped. PetCo has a lady there on weekends giving away samples which are
 great for training treats.
 Buster ate an ant trap at camp last fall and for some reason it put him
 off Solid Gold so we started with the Halo which he really likes.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:55 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cat Food
 Message-ID:
 caciok3sjvqc9glhr4tm5dgqeq8zew5-qkptjzhac4yixjoe...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was also
 big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.  a
 few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat stuff
 but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch

 science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
 being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread Craig 
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:52:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an
 arm and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share
 it with my cat.

Is that like mothers opening jars of baby food in the store to taste test
it before they give it to their babies (and leaving the open jar on the
shelf if they don't like it)?

If your cat eats it, what does it matter if you like it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread dseretakis 
How about some real fish.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 16, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an arm
 and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share it with
 my cat.
 
 
 On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 IIRC it was Hurst that got me on to looking at ratings for the various
 foods. There are a few different sites that rate foods but they're pretty
 consistent.
 
 We used the Dick Van Patton stuff for awhile, can't remember why we
 stopped. PetCo has a lady there on weekends giving away samples which are
 great for training treats.
 Buster ate an ant trap at camp last fall and for some reason it put him
 off Solid Gold so we started with the Halo which he really likes.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:55 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cat Food
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 i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was also
 big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.  a
 few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat stuff
 but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch
 
 science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
 being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
You thought I was serious??


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:52:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

  So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an
  arm and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share
  it with my cat.

 Is that like mothers opening jars of baby food in the store to taste test
 it before they give it to their babies (and leaving the open jar on the
 shelf if they don't like it)?

 If your cat eats it, what does it matter if you like it?


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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com 
Don't try to change your story now. Cats are far more descriminating 
than people about what they eat, so cat food is much higher quality and 
people can crave it and get addicted.  You probably haven't heard about 
the man who got addicted and stayed out all night chasing pussy cats and 
yowling in peoples back yards until one night when he was sitting on a 
fence.  He leaned over to lick his tail, fell off, and broke his neck.

Sampling cat food can be dangerous.
Gerry

On 4/16/2014 7:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

You thought I was serious??


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:


On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:52:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:


So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an
arm and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share
it with my cat.

Is that like mothers opening jars of baby food in the store to taste test
it before they give it to their babies (and leaving the open jar on the
shelf if they don't like it)?

If your cat eats it, what does it matter if you like it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel 
Thanks for the warning.  This may explain my recent bizarre dreams...


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 9:23 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Don't try to change your story now. Cats are far more descriminating than
 people about what they eat, so cat food is much higher quality and people
 can crave it and get addicted.  You probably haven't heard about the man
 who got addicted and stayed out all night chasing pussy cats and yowling in
 peoples back yards until one night when he was sitting on a fence.  He
 leaned over to lick his tail, fell off, and broke his neck.
 Sampling cat food can be dangerous.
 Gerry


 On 4/16/2014 7:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 You thought I was serious??


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

  On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:52:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
 astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

  So what's a nutritious and tasty natural cat food that won't cost me an
 arm and a leg?  It has to pass my critical palate test or I won't share
 it with my cat.

 Is that like mothers opening jars of baby food in the store to taste test
 it before they give it to their babies (and leaving the open jar on the
 shelf if they don't like it)?

 If your cat eats it, what does it matter if you like it?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-15 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com 
ROFL!!  Who riled who first?  Look up real documentation before 
criticizing others opinions.  Go tell your doctor you need some grouch 
medicine since you're always picking arguments and grouching about 
something.
Off topic drivel?  You mean like all that off topic drivel about 
snowmobiles and a hundred other non-Mercedes topics you're always posting?


Gerry.who likes a silly argument once in a while [:o)


On 4/14/2014 10:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You trying to rile me or what? Go post some more off topic drivel and then 
complain that the list is filled with off topic stuff.

The ingredients list for Science Diet tells the story, did you follow the link? I suspect 
the vets sell what gives them a good margin. Look at all the free giveaway stuff at the 
vet, its all Hills branded. The vets are corporate shills the same way your pill pushing 
doctor is a corporate shill. I told my doctor that when he tried to put me on a 
cholesterol med right after saying well your cholesterol numbers are normal. 
I don't see that doc anymore.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:24:31 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cat Food
Message-ID: 534c520f.5040...@embarqmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

ROFL!!!.and where is any real documentation for the claims you make
about cat food?  Vets sell more Hills/Science than any other kind and
they are the ones who suffer if a clients pet doesn't do well.  Spots
Stew?,  Dog Advisor?  Poor Buster!

Besides that, dogs are much different than cats as everyone knows.  You
didn't see the BLM sicking cats on the protestors in Nevada and trying
to destroy the innocent rancher Bundy just to give his ranch to the
Chinese, now did you?

In addition, why are you even considering buying a Toyota pickup when
you have such a low opinion of Toyota Prius'?

Gerrywhose cats spent their whole lives eating Hills cat food and
happily lived to a ripe old age.
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Curt Raymond 
Friends don't let friends feed Science Diet.
I can't speak to their cat food but their dog food is low end garbage. Its 
mostly vegetable matter, much of it stuff dogs can't digest. Why pay extra for 
filler? PetCo and other fine pet retailers will carry a full line of GOOD pet 
food. We're currently feeding Buster Halo Spots Stew although I can't 
remember which one exactly. Its a 4 star 
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/halo-dog-food-dry/ rated food. 
Very few controversial ingredients (unlike Science Diet) and most importantly 
he likes it...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:50:25 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Message-ID: 534c2df1.9060...@embarqmail.com
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Find a vet who sells Hills/Science Diet/Prescription cat food.  The girl 
at the desk might be able to help you pick a non-fattening  dry food you 
can leave out 24/7 for kitty to eat when he's hungry.  Next time you 
take kitty to the vet, explain your problem and he/she can set you up on 
the best complete diet for kitty.
It's a little more expensive, but cheaper in the long run since kitty 
will be healthier.

http://www.hillspet.com/ideal-balance/ideal-balance-cat-food.html?utm_source=bingutm_medium=cpcutm_term=utm_campaign=cat_lifestyle_ideal+balance_consideration_top+performer

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Frederick 
Well, my cats always seem to live nearly forever on Science diet, it's  
much better than most of the other stuff out there (more fat, for  
instance, and very little cereal, which cats cannot digest).


My Canadian cat lived to within two months of 19 years, and our wild  
cat made 16.  My two siamese made it to 14 and 15, and all of them  
died from either feline leukemia, cancer, or hyperthyrodism, none of  
which are related to food supply.


Never an issue with palatability, never any problems with digestion.

Healthy, happy kitties until the thyroid burned them up.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com 
ROFL!!!.and where is any real documentation for the claims you make 
about cat food?  Vets sell more Hills/Science than any other kind and 
they are the ones who suffer if a clients pet doesn't do well.   Spots 
Stew?,  Dog Advisor?  Poor Buster!


Besides that, dogs are much different than cats as everyone knows.  You 
didn't see the BLM sicking cats on the protestors in Nevada and trying 
to destroy the innocent rancher Bundy just to give his ranch to the 
Chinese, now did you?


In addition, why are you even considering buying a Toyota pickup when 
you have such a low opinion of Toyota Prius'?


Gerrywhose cats spent their whole lives eating Hills cat food and 
happily lived to a ripe old age.


On 4/14/2014 3:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Friends don't let friends feed Science Diet.
I can't speak to their cat food but their dog food is low end garbage. Its mostly 
vegetable matter, much of it stuff dogs can't digest. Why pay extra for filler? PetCo and 
other fine pet retailers will carry a full line of GOOD pet food. We're currently feeding 
Buster Halo Spots Stew although I can't remember which one exactly. Its a 4 
star http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/halo-dog-food-dry/ rated food. Very 
few controversial ingredients (unlike Science Diet) and most importantly he likes it...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:50:25 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Message-ID: 534c2df1.9060...@embarqmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Find a vet who sells Hills/Science Diet/Prescription cat food.  The girl
at the desk might be able to help you pick a non-fattening  dry food you
can leave out 24/7 for kitty to eat when he's hungry.  Next time you
take kitty to the vet, explain your problem and he/she can set you up on
the best complete diet for kitty.
It's a little more expensive, but cheaper in the long run since kitty
will be healthier.

http://www.hillspet.com/ideal-balance/ideal-balance-cat-food.html?utm_source=bingutm_medium=cpcutm_term=utm_campaign=cat_lifestyle_ideal+balance_consideration_top+performer

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Dan Penoff 
head slap

We put ours on Blue Buffalo when it came out.  Before that we used Eukanuba, 
but in hindsight, it's really crappy food.  One of the ways they (IAMS) mess 
with the ingredients is to weigh the proteins before dehydration, which, of 
course, grossly skews the actual content.  Right after the protein you start 
seeing the by-products, which is a bad sign as well.

Science Diet cat food always had a bad rap amongst breeders because they use 
corn gluten as a major ingredient, which is tough for cats to digest. They also 
like to use brewers rice as well, another ingredient that's tough on kitty's 
digestive tract.

Some of the worst stuff out there is sold by the largest companies.  What you 
want to look for is the first three or four ingredients - there should be no 
filler grains.  The main protein should not be a by-product.

Using these criteria you'll find that most of the major cat food suppliers are 
selling crap.

Dan




On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:24 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 ROFL!!!.and where is any real documentation for the claims you make about 
 cat food?  Vets sell more Hills/Science than any other kind and they are the 
 ones who suffer if a clients pet doesn't do well.   Spots Stew?,  Dog 
 Advisor?  Poor Buster!
 
 Besides that, dogs are much different than cats as everyone knows.  You 
 didn't see the BLM sicking cats on the protestors in Nevada and trying to 
 destroy the innocent rancher Bundy just to give his ranch to the Chinese, now 
 did you?
 
 In addition, why are you even considering buying a Toyota pickup when you 
 have such a low opinion of Toyota Prius'?
 
 Gerrywhose cats spent their whole lives eating Hills cat food and happily 
 lived to a ripe old age.
 
 On 4/14/2014 3:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 Friends don't let friends feed Science Diet.
 I can't speak to their cat food but their dog food is low end garbage. Its 
 mostly vegetable matter, much of it stuff dogs can't digest. Why pay extra 
 for filler? PetCo and other fine pet retailers will carry a full line of 
 GOOD pet food. We're currently feeding Buster Halo Spots Stew although I 
 can't remember which one exactly. Its a 4 star 
 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/halo-dog-food-dry/ rated 
 food. Very few controversial ingredients (unlike Science Diet) and most 
 importantly he likes it...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:50:25 -0400
 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
 Message-ID: 534c2df1.9060...@embarqmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 Find a vet who sells Hills/Science Diet/Prescription cat food.  The girl
 at the desk might be able to help you pick a non-fattening  dry food you
 can leave out 24/7 for kitty to eat when he's hungry.  Next time you
 take kitty to the vet, explain your problem and he/she can set you up on
 the best complete diet for kitty.
 It's a little more expensive, but cheaper in the long run since kitty
 will be healthier.
 
 http://www.hillspet.com/ideal-balance/ideal-balance-cat-food.html?utm_source=bingutm_medium=cpcutm_term=utm_campaign=cat_lifestyle_ideal+balance_consideration_top+performer
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst 
i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was also
big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.  a
few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat stuff
but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch

science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 head slap

 We put ours on Blue Buffalo when it came out.  Before that we used
 Eukanuba, but in hindsight, it's really crappy food.  One of the ways they
 (IAMS) mess with the ingredients is to weigh the proteins before
 dehydration, which, of course, grossly skews the actual content.  Right
 after the protein you start seeing the by-products, which is a bad sign as
 well.

 Science Diet cat food always had a bad rap amongst breeders because they
 use corn gluten as a major ingredient, which is tough for cats to digest.
 They also like to use brewers rice as well, another ingredient that's tough
 on kitty's digestive tract.

 Some of the worst stuff out there is sold by the largest companies.  What
 you want to look for is the first three or four ingredients - there should
 be no filler grains.  The main protein should not be a by-product.

 Using these criteria you'll find that most of the major cat food suppliers
 are selling crap.

 Dan




 On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:24 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

  ROFL!!!.and where is any real documentation for the claims you make
 about cat food?  Vets sell more Hills/Science than any other kind and they
 are the ones who suffer if a clients pet doesn't do well.   Spots Stew?,
  Dog Advisor?  Poor Buster!
 
  Besides that, dogs are much different than cats as everyone knows.  You
 didn't see the BLM sicking cats on the protestors in Nevada and trying to
 destroy the innocent rancher Bundy just to give his ranch to the Chinese,
 now did you?
 
  In addition, why are you even considering buying a Toyota pickup when
 you have such a low opinion of Toyota Prius'?
 
  Gerrywhose cats spent their whole lives eating Hills cat food and
 happily lived to a ripe old age.
 
  On 4/14/2014 3:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
  Friends don't let friends feed Science Diet.
  I can't speak to their cat food but their dog food is low end garbage.
 Its mostly vegetable matter, much of it stuff dogs can't digest. Why pay
 extra for filler? PetCo and other fine pet retailers will carry a full line
 of GOOD pet food. We're currently feeding Buster Halo Spots Stew although
 I can't remember which one exactly. Its a 4 star
 http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/halo-dog-food-dry/ rated
 food. Very few controversial ingredients (unlike Science Diet) and most
 importantly he likes it...
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:50:25 -0400
  From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
  Message-ID: 534c2df1.9060...@embarqmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
  Find a vet who sells Hills/Science Diet/Prescription cat food.  The girl
  at the desk might be able to help you pick a non-fattening  dry food you
  can leave out 24/7 for kitty to eat when he's hungry.  Next time you
  take kitty to the vet, explain your problem and he/she can set you up on
  the best complete diet for kitty.
  It's a little more expensive, but cheaper in the long run since kitty
  will be healthier.
 
 
 http://www.hillspet.com/ideal-balance/ideal-balance-cat-food.html?utm_source=bingutm_medium=cpcutm_term=utm_campaign=cat_lifestyle_ideal+balance_consideration_top+performer
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread OK Don 
When we got our first cat, the vet told us the best food for it was raw
hamburger. The cat got a little now and then, but mostly made up for the
lack with mice and birds.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 head slap

 We put ours on Blue Buffalo when it came out.  Before that we used
 Eukanuba, but in hindsight, it's really crappy food.  One of the ways they
 (IAMS) mess with the ingredients is to weigh the proteins before
 dehydration, which, of course, grossly skews the actual content.  Right
 after the protein you start seeing the by-products, which is a bad sign as
 well.

 Science Diet cat food always had a bad rap amongst breeders because they
 use corn gluten as a major ingredient, which is tough for cats to digest.
 They also like to use brewers rice as well, another ingredient that's tough
 on kitty's digestive tract.

 Some of the worst stuff out there is sold by the largest companies.  What
 you want to look for is the first three or four ingredients - there should
 be no filler grains.  The main protein should not be a by-product.

 Using these criteria you'll find that most of the major cat food suppliers
 are selling crap.

 Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Dan Penoff 
The has been a movement afoot in the cat fancy to go with the raw diet. I spoke 
to a couple of vets about it, and they were pretty vehement that it was a bad 
deal. Their biggest concern was that there is a lot of nasty stuff living in 
raw food, and handling it creates an even larger risk of contamination.

Dan

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 On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When we got our first cat, the vet told us the best food for it was raw
 hamburger. The cat got a little now and then, but mostly made up for the
 lack with mice and birds.
 
 
 On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 head slap
 
 We put ours on Blue Buffalo when it came out.  Before that we used
 Eukanuba, but in hindsight, it's really crappy food.  One of the ways they
 (IAMS) mess with the ingredients is to weigh the proteins before
 dehydration, which, of course, grossly skews the actual content.  Right
 after the protein you start seeing the by-products, which is a bad sign as
 well.
 
 Science Diet cat food always had a bad rap amongst breeders because they
 use corn gluten as a major ingredient, which is tough for cats to digest.
 They also like to use brewers rice as well, another ingredient that's tough
 on kitty's digestive tract.
 
 Some of the worst stuff out there is sold by the largest companies.  What
 you want to look for is the first three or four ingredients - there should
 be no filler grains.  The main protein should not be a by-product.
 
 Using these criteria you'll find that most of the major cat food suppliers
 are selling crap.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Peter Frederick 

The best food for cats is live mice.  Hard to feed reliably, though.

Last time I looked, the Science Diet I was feeding was low on cereal  
products, but it's been a while.  We are currently cat free unless you  
count the rather well fed looking one wandering around in the yard  
eating birds.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Craig 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:51:19 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 The best food for cats is live mice.  Hard to feed reliably, though.

And hard to avoid worms, too, unless your cat (like the one we had when
we were south of Calhan, Colorado) wises up after being taken to the vet
so many times to be de-wormed and stops eating the intestines -- after a
certain point in time, we started seeing bottom halves of mice laying
around outside and never had to de-worm her again.

She also killed 5 weasels and chased two skunks out from under our
little mobile home on the prairie without getting sprayed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Curt Raymond 
You trying to rile me or what? Go post some more off topic drivel and then 
complain that the list is filled with off topic stuff.

The ingredients list for Science Diet tells the story, did you follow the link? 
I suspect the vets sell what gives them a good margin. Look at all the free 
giveaway stuff at the vet, its all Hills branded. The vets are corporate shills 
the same way your pill pushing doctor is a corporate shill. I told my doctor 
that when he tried to put me on a cholesterol med right after saying well your 
cholesterol numbers are normal. I don't see that doc anymore.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:24:31 -0400
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ROFL!!!.and where is any real documentation for the claims you make 
about cat food?  Vets sell more Hills/Science than any other kind and 
they are the ones who suffer if a clients pet doesn't do well.  Spots 
Stew?,  Dog Advisor?  Poor Buster!

Besides that, dogs are much different than cats as everyone knows.  You 
didn't see the BLM sicking cats on the protestors in Nevada and trying 
to destroy the innocent rancher Bundy just to give his ranch to the 
Chinese, now did you?

In addition, why are you even considering buying a Toyota pickup when 
you have such a low opinion of Toyota Prius'?

Gerrywhose cats spent their whole lives eating Hills cat food and 
happily lived to a ripe old age.
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-14 Thread Curt Raymond 
IIRC it was Hurst that got me on to looking at ratings for the various foods. 
There are a few different sites that rate foods but they're pretty consistent.

We used the Dick Van Patton stuff for awhile, can't remember why we stopped. 
PetCo has a lady there on weekends giving away samples which are great for 
training treats. 
Buster ate an ant trap at camp last fall and for some reason it put him off 
Solid Gold so we started with the Halo which he really likes.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:59:55 -0400
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i used to use the dick van patton stuff for both dogs and cats.  i was also
big on innova before they sold out.  solid gold products for teh dogs.  a
few2 others as well.  the dogs also really liked the bloody raw meat stuff
but that just go them so crazy at feeding it was scary to watch

science diet has a terrible reputation among the high end feed buffs for
being all about the undigestable fillers, mostly in terms of corn
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