Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Mount it along the roof like a rocket booster. Unless you were trying for a 
sleeper... ;)
-Curt
 

On Friday, November 3, 2017, 10:14:05 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Find the biggest truck air filter you can fit in the space, then build a 
box for it.  Remember many trucks used to have a big vertival air 
filter mounted outside the cab in the cowl area.  You could do a crazy 
Finn thing and mount it outside the body.

> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> November 3, 2017 at 5:12 AM
> So I have done a lot of math on the air required, in order to select the
> proper turbos. I had the compound exhaust manifold welded up by a guy in
> finland with a 124 clip and a 606 in his shop, so it fits in my engine 
> bay.
> I have the speed sensors installed in the turbos and an aem aq1 to log all
> the temperatures and pressures. Basically at 17:1 AFR I will need 80lb/min
> of air at 5500 rpm and 120cc of fuel per injector per 1000 injections. 
> This
> is about double the stock fuel. The stock afr is more than 17:1, so my air
> requirement would be slightly less than double the stock turbo 606 motor.
> More if I turn the pump up to 150cc.
>
> The intake system is the only thing holding me back at the moment. I 
> need a
> cold air box with a big filter and I need a NA 606 manifold and cross pipe
> to weld some laminova cores into for intercooling. I will run air water
> heat exchangers in the wheel wells as they are easier to fit with an air
> conditioner condenser and fans than the air-air. People usually sacrifice
> the AC on these setups, but I am keeping it.
>
> Cheers,
> K
>
> On Nov 3, 2017 12:11 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
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> fmiser via Mercedes 
> November 3, 2017 at 2:10 AM
>> Karl wrote:
>
>> I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit
>> under size for my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however,
>
> The turbo-charged engine _will_ pump more air through.
>
> However, normally aspirated _engine_ is "sucking" the air through
> the filter so filter size and restriction can be quite important.
>
> Conversely, on the turbo-charged engine, it is the _turbo_ that is
> "sucking" the air through the filter.  The only time the filter
> size really matters is at high RPM, and that is when the turbo is
> "throwing away" extra air via the waste-gate.
>
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> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> November 2, 2017 at 9:50 PM
> I have a later style w124 fender on the wagon with a cold air intake vent.
> I would like to use it for that. Currently I just have a cannister filter
> sitting inside the fender, rather than the little plastic fitting with the
> round hole that seals on the inside of the fender and feeds the stock
> airbox. I guess I will try to buy the seal plate from mercedes.
>
> I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit under 
> size for
> my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, so perhaps I need to fab
> something up and use the stock fender seal plate to feed a hose going to a
> larger box.
>
> Seems like maybe a 603 turbo filter would be bigger than a na606 
> filter. Is
> the 603 filter box larger than the na606 box? And where does the 603 box
> draw air from? The headlight? And is it wedged in behind the headlight 
> like
> the na606 box?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Nov 1, 2017 7:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Great thread here for Curly and others with OM603 (or any analog engine
> computers from the 80's and 90's, maybe others).
>
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/
> 389414-eds-elr-idle-issues-om603.html
>
> BLUF (bottom line up front): There are a handful of capacitors in the
> computer that die and probably are the source of much woe, and replacing
> them would be A GOOD IDEA if your OM603 has any idle quality issues or
> kick-down switch issues.
>
> -
>
> "There are 5 Electrolytic capacitors on the EDS computer boards. On 
> the 126
> the EDS computer is located in the passenger kick compartment and requires
> no tools to remove. Not sure about the 201 and 124.
>
> 4 phillips screws in the lid removes the boards which are clipped 
> together.
> Looking inside the 2 boards, you can see 2 heatsinks that are clamped to
> some transistors on one of the boards. You will want to remove the 2
> phillips screws holding the OTHER board to the main 

Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Find the biggest truck air filter you can fit in the space, then build a 
box for it.   Remember many trucks used to have a big vertival air 
filter mounted outside the cab in the cowl area.  You could do a crazy 
Finn thing and mount it outside the body.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 5:12 AM
So I have done a lot of math on the air required, in order to select the
proper turbos. I had the compound exhaust manifold welded up by a guy in
finland with a 124 clip and a 606 in his shop, so it fits in my engine 
bay.

I have the speed sensors installed in the turbos and an aem aq1 to log all
the temperatures and pressures. Basically at 17:1 AFR I will need 80lb/min
of air at 5500 rpm and 120cc of fuel per injector per 1000 injections. 
This

is about double the stock fuel. The stock afr is more than 17:1, so my air
requirement would be slightly less than double the stock turbo 606 motor.
More if I turn the pump up to 150cc.

The intake system is the only thing holding me back at the moment. I 
need a

cold air box with a big filter and I need a NA 606 manifold and cross pipe
to weld some laminova cores into for intercooling. I will run air water
heat exchangers in the wheel wells as they are easier to fit with an air
conditioner condenser and fans than the air-air. People usually sacrifice
the AC on these setups, but I am keeping it.

Cheers,
K

On Nov 3, 2017 12:11 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
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fmiser via Mercedes 
November 3, 2017 at 2:10 AM

Karl wrote:



I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit
under size for my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however,


The turbo-charged engine _will_ pump more air through.

However, normally aspirated _engine_ is "sucking" the air through
the filter so filter size and restriction can be quite important.

Conversely, on the turbo-charged engine, it is the _turbo_ that is
"sucking" the air through the filter.  The only time the filter
size really matters is at high RPM, and that is when the turbo is
"throwing away" extra air via the waste-gate.

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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
November 2, 2017 at 9:50 PM
I have a later style w124 fender on the wagon with a cold air intake vent.
I would like to use it for that. Currently I just have a cannister filter
sitting inside the fender, rather than the little plastic fitting with the
round hole that seals on the inside of the fender and feeds the stock
airbox. I guess I will try to buy the seal plate from mercedes.

I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit under 
size for

my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, so perhaps I need to fab
something up and use the stock fender seal plate to feed a hose going to a
larger box.

Seems like maybe a 603 turbo filter would be bigger than a na606 
filter. Is

the 603 filter box larger than the na606 box? And where does the 603 box
draw air from? The headlight? And is it wedged in behind the headlight 
like

the na606 box?

Thanks

On Nov 1, 2017 7:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 


wrote:

Great thread here for Curly and others with OM603 (or any analog engine
computers from the 80's and 90's, maybe others).

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/
389414-eds-elr-idle-issues-om603.html

BLUF (bottom line up front): There are a handful of capacitors in the
computer that die and probably are the source of much woe, and replacing
them would be A GOOD IDEA if your OM603 has any idle quality issues or
kick-down switch issues.

-

"There are 5 Electrolytic capacitors on the EDS computer boards. On 
the 126

the EDS computer is located in the passenger kick compartment and requires
no tools to remove. Not sure about the 201 and 124.

4 phillips screws in the lid removes the boards which are clipped 
together.

Looking inside the 2 boards, you can see 2 heatsinks that are clamped to
some transistors on one of the boards. You will want to remove the 2
phillips screws holding the OTHER board to the main heatsink/plug 
assembly.
You can then lift it off and pivot backwards on the ribbon cable. 
There are

plastic clips that hold the 2 cards together, they simply unsnap.

Once you have the cards opened up like a book, the locations of the
capacitors are obvious and the capacitors are clearly marked. On the board
you didn't unscrew from the main heatsink/plug assembly, there are 4
capacitors: 100µF @ 

Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Have a local HVAC and sheet metal shop bend up a box to mount on the inside of 
the fender, and put a big honking cone or cylinder filter in it?
They make high flow paper cones now, it doesn't have to be oiled gauze. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Wow. I am going to have to check that out. Let me know if I can buy it from
you and what is fair.

Thanks,
Karl

On Nov 3, 2017 12:09 AM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Karl,
>
> Yes I've got one. Original air flow design was intake through (inside)
> same fender along the back edge, between door and fender.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On November 2, 2017 10:50:10 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a later style w124 fender on the wagon with a cold air intake
>> vent. I would like to use it for that. Currently I just have a cannister
>> filter sitting inside the fender, rather than the little plastic fitting
>> with the round hole that seals on the inside of the fender and feeds the
>> stock airbox. I guess I will try to buy the seal plate from mercedes.
>>
>> I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit under size
>> for my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, so perhaps I need to fab
>> something up and use the stock fender seal plate to feed a hose going to a
>> larger box.
>>
>> Seems like maybe a 603 turbo filter would be bigger than a na606 filter.
>> Is the 603 filter box larger than the na606 box? And where does the 603 box
>> draw air from? The headlight? And is it wedged in behind the headlight like
>> the na606 box?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2017 7:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Great thread here for Curly and others with OM603 (or any analog engine
>> computers from the 80's and 90's, maybe others).
>>
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/389414
>> -eds-elr-idle-issues-om603.html
>>
>> BLUF (bottom line up front): There are a handful of capacitors in the
>> computer that die and probably are the source of much woe, and replacing
>> them would be A GOOD IDEA if your OM603 has any idle quality issues or
>> kick-down switch issues.
>>
>> -
>>
>> "There are 5 Electrolytic capacitors on the EDS computer boards. On the
>> 126
>> the EDS computer is located in the passenger kick compartment and requires
>> no tools to remove. Not sure about the 201 and 124.
>>
>> 4 phillips screws in the lid removes the boards which are clipped
>> together.
>> Looking inside the 2 boards, you can see 2 heatsinks that are clamped to
>> some transistors on one of the boards. You will want to remove the 2
>> phillips screws holding the OTHER board to the main heatsink/plug
>> assembly.
>> You can then lift it off and pivot backwards on the ribbon cable. There
>> are
>> plastic clips that hold the 2 cards together, they simply unsnap.
>>
>> Once you have the cards opened up like a book, the locations of the
>> capacitors are obvious and the capacitors are clearly marked. On the board
>> you didn't unscrew from the main heatsink/plug assembly, there are 4
>> capacitors: 100µF @ 50V Radial, 100µF @ 10V Axial, 22µF @ 40V Radial, 7µF
>> @
>> 63V Radial.
>>
>> The board you unscrewed and pivoted out of the way has a single
>> electrolytic capacitor 22µF @ 16V Axial.
>>
>> The circuit cards are double-sided, so be careful desoldering and
>> resoldering. I used 63V parts for all my replacements. 7µF is also not a
>> standard value, so I substituted a 6.8µF capacitor for it.
>>
>> Out of all of my capacitors, only the 22µF radial was good (I replaced it
>> anyway). The next highest reading I got out of any of mine was .006µF In
>> Germany, they'd refer to that as "kaput".
>>
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

So I have done a lot of math on the air required, in order to select the
proper turbos. I had the compound exhaust manifold welded up by a guy in
finland with a 124 clip and a 606 in his shop, so it fits in my engine bay.
I have the speed sensors installed in the turbos and an aem aq1 to log all
the temperatures and pressures. Basically at 17:1 AFR I will need 80lb/min
of air at 5500 rpm and 120cc of fuel per injector per 1000 injections. This
is about double the stock fuel. The stock afr is more than 17:1, so my air
requirement would be slightly less than double the stock turbo 606 motor.
More if I turn the pump up to 150cc.

The intake system is the only thing holding me back at the moment. I need a
cold air box with a big filter and I need a NA 606 manifold and cross pipe
to weld some laminova cores into for intercooling. I will run air water
heat exchangers in the wheel wells as they are easier to fit with an air
conditioner condenser and fans than the air-air. People usually sacrifice
the AC on these setups, but I am keeping it.

Cheers,
K

On Nov 3, 2017 12:11 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> > Karl wrote:
>
> > I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit
> > under size for my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however,
>
> The turbo-charged engine _will_ pump more air through.
>
> However, normally aspirated _engine_ is "sucking" the air through
> the filter so filter size and restriction can be quite important.
>
> Conversely, on the turbo-charged engine, it is the _turbo_ that is
> "sucking" the air through the filter.  The only time the filter
> size really matters is at high RPM, and that is when the turbo is
> "throwing away" extra air via the waste-gate.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:

> I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit
> under size for my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, 

The turbo-charged engine _will_ pump more air through.  

However, normally aspirated _engine_ is "sucking" the air through
the filter so filter size and restriction can be quite important.

Conversely, on the turbo-charged engine, it is the _turbo_ that is
"sucking" the air through the filter.  The only time the filter
size really matters is at high RPM, and that is when the turbo is
"throwing away" extra air via the waste-gate.

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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl,

Yes I've got one.   Original air flow design was intake through (inside) same 
fender along the back edge, between door and fender.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 2, 2017 10:50:10 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel  
wrote:
>I have a later style w124 fender on the wagon with a cold air intake
>vent.
>I would like to use it for that. Currently I just have a cannister
>filter
>sitting inside the fender, rather than the little plastic fitting with
>the
>round hole that seals on the inside of the fender and feeds the stock
>airbox. I guess I will try to buy the seal plate from mercedes.
>
>I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit under size
>for
>my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, so perhaps I need to fab
>something up and use the stock fender seal plate to feed a hose going
>to a
>larger box.
>
>Seems like maybe a 603 turbo filter would be bigger than a na606
>filter. Is
>the 603 filter box larger than the na606 box? And where does the 603
>box
>draw air from? The headlight? And is it wedged in behind the headlight
>like
>the na606 box?
>
>Thanks
>
>On Nov 1, 2017 7:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes"
>
>wrote:
>
>Great thread here for Curly and others with OM603 (or any analog engine
>computers from the 80's and 90's, maybe others).
>
>http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/
>389414-eds-elr-idle-issues-om603.html
>
>BLUF (bottom line up front): There are a handful of capacitors in the
>computer that die and probably are the source of much woe, and
>replacing
>them would be A GOOD IDEA if your OM603 has any idle quality issues or
>kick-down switch issues.
>
>-
>
>"There are 5 Electrolytic capacitors on the EDS computer boards. On the
>126
>the EDS computer is located in the passenger kick compartment and
>requires
>no tools to remove. Not sure about the 201 and 124.
>
>4 phillips screws in the lid removes the boards which are clipped
>together.
>Looking inside the 2 boards, you can see 2 heatsinks that are clamped
>to
>some transistors on one of the boards. You will want to remove the 2
>phillips screws holding the OTHER board to the main heatsink/plug
>assembly.
>You can then lift it off and pivot backwards on the ribbon cable. There
>are
>plastic clips that hold the 2 cards together, they simply unsnap.
>
>Once you have the cards opened up like a book, the locations of the
>capacitors are obvious and the capacitors are clearly marked. On the
>board
>you didn't unscrew from the main heatsink/plug assembly, there are 4
>capacitors: 100µF @ 50V Radial, 100µF @ 10V Axial, 22µF @ 40V Radial,
>7µF @
>63V Radial.
>
>The board you unscrewed and pivoted out of the way has a single
>electrolytic capacitor 22µF @ 16V Axial.
>
>The circuit cards are double-sided, so be careful desoldering and
>resoldering. I used 63V parts for all my replacements. 7µF is also not
>a
>standard value, so I substituted a 6.8µF capacitor for it.
>
>Out of all of my capacitors, only the 22µF radial was good (I replaced
>it
>anyway). The next highest reading I got out of any of mine was .006µF
>In
>Germany, they'd refer to that as "kaput".
>
>
>-
>Max
>Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Cold air intake

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have a later style w124 fender on the wagon with a cold air intake vent.
I would like to use it for that. Currently I just have a cannister filter
sitting inside the fender, rather than the little plastic fitting with the
round hole that seals on the inside of the fender and feeds the stock
airbox. I guess I will try to buy the seal plate from mercedes.

I suspect that the na606 filter from the 1995 e300d is a bit under size for
my fuel level on the turbo 606 motor however, so perhaps I need to fab
something up and use the stock fender seal plate to feed a hose going to a
larger box.

Seems like maybe a 603 turbo filter would be bigger than a na606 filter. Is
the 603 filter box larger than the na606 box? And where does the 603 box
draw air from? The headlight? And is it wedged in behind the headlight like
the na606 box?

Thanks

On Nov 1, 2017 7:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Great thread here for Curly and others with OM603 (or any analog engine
computers from the 80's and 90's, maybe others).

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/
389414-eds-elr-idle-issues-om603.html

BLUF (bottom line up front): There are a handful of capacitors in the
computer that die and probably are the source of much woe, and replacing
them would be A GOOD IDEA if your OM603 has any idle quality issues or
kick-down switch issues.

-

"There are 5 Electrolytic capacitors on the EDS computer boards. On the 126
the EDS computer is located in the passenger kick compartment and requires
no tools to remove. Not sure about the 201 and 124.

4 phillips screws in the lid removes the boards which are clipped together.
Looking inside the 2 boards, you can see 2 heatsinks that are clamped to
some transistors on one of the boards. You will want to remove the 2
phillips screws holding the OTHER board to the main heatsink/plug assembly.
You can then lift it off and pivot backwards on the ribbon cable. There are
plastic clips that hold the 2 cards together, they simply unsnap.

Once you have the cards opened up like a book, the locations of the
capacitors are obvious and the capacitors are clearly marked. On the board
you didn't unscrew from the main heatsink/plug assembly, there are 4
capacitors: 100µF @ 50V Radial, 100µF @ 10V Axial, 22µF @ 40V Radial, 7µF @
63V Radial.

The board you unscrewed and pivoted out of the way has a single
electrolytic capacitor 22µF @ 16V Axial.

The circuit cards are double-sided, so be careful desoldering and
resoldering. I used 63V parts for all my replacements. 7µF is also not a
standard value, so I substituted a 6.8µF capacitor for it.

Out of all of my capacitors, only the 22µF radial was good (I replaced it
anyway). The next highest reading I got out of any of mine was .006µF In
Germany, they'd refer to that as "kaput".


-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

no less than $600 will be accepted

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Cold air intake

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That oiled cotton gauze will work great in the rain...
Mitch.

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[MBZ] Cold air intake

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