Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
Yeah the E30 M3 has doubled in value over past 5 yrs. perhaps my favorite car! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Apr 16, 2013 8:44 AM, wrote: >> >> I just saw it. Didn't even bother to >> start it up. It was downright nasty. > > Bummer. I think nice 190E 2.3-16s are going to head up in value pretty > soon. It's already happening with 500Es. > > Alex (still kicking himself that he didn't buy an E30 M3 back when they > were cheap) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
On Apr 16, 2013 8:44 AM, wrote: > > I just saw it. Didn't even bother to > start it up. It was downright nasty. Bummer. I think nice 190E 2.3-16s are going to head up in value pretty soon. It's already happening with 500Es. Alex (still kicking himself that he didn't buy an E30 M3 back when they were cheap) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I just saw it. Didn't even bother to start it up. It was downright nasty. Had a color change to black poorly done, a poorly replaced rear quarter, sad interior, no title, etc, etc. Guy was asking $4000. If I got it for free I'd still feel like I got jipped. I saw one on CL out East a while back that had no title, wrong wheels, just generally nasty, I think they wanted $800 or something for it. New Jersey maybe? Maybe the same car but a flipper now owns it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
I just saw it. Didn't even bother to start it up. It was downright nasty. Had a color change to black poorly done, a poorly replaced rear quarter, sad interior, no title, etc, etc. Guy was asking $4000. If I got it for free I'd still feel like I got jipped. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Going to see one for sale. Anything specific on this car that I should look >> out for? Owner says car stalls once up to temp and can't be restarted for >> hours. What can this mean? > > 90% chance of bad fuel pump relay. When you first start it, turn the key to > run (not all the way to start) and listen for the pump. If you don't hear > that for a few seconds after the engine dies, it died because the relay is > flaky. > 2.3 relays will cut off the fuel before the engine hits redline, maybe not > the worst thing in a car that old. > 2.3-16 relays are rare used and expensive new. > 2.6 or 3.0 relays from six cylinder W201 and W124 are common and cheap on the > used market, I think I paid $35 for mine, but putting a six cylinder relay in > a four cylinder car means the fuel pump will not cut out if some idiot > overrevs the engine. A piece of wire stuck in the proper terminals of the > relay socket will get you home after you buy it. > >> What other problems are specific to a cosworth? > > In addition to the usual W201 stuff like bad outside temp readouts and > nonfunctional window lift switches: > > Either it will have collapsed SLS accumulators (along with a control valve > that's been hammered until it won't hold pressure), or some fool will have > 'upgraded' it to regular shock absorbers. If you can have a couple of guys > sit in the trunk and the car will raise up when you start the engine, it's a > miracle or the owner actually maintains it. > > Valve lash is, IIRC, mechanically adjusted with shims and probably hasn't > been touched in 20 years. > > The Getrag 5sp doesn't seem to last as long between rebuilds as the regular > 190E 5sp, but that might just be that the 16v get driven harder. The Getrag > is rated stronger. > > If it's got 100,000 miles on it, the limited slip differential clutches are > long gone, but that applies to any car with limited slip. Nobody ever > maintains them other than occasional fluid changes. > > Just think of it as a 190E 2.3 with SLS, power leather seats and a $10,000 > cylinder head upgrade. > > The LCD display in the rally computer will be more useless than the LCD in > the outside temperature readout. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Apr 16, 2013 7:54 AM, "Mitch Haley" wrote: Just think of it as a 190E 2.3 with SLS, power leather seats and a $10,000 cylinder head upgrade. Don't forget the awesome Miami-Vice-style totally '80s body kit. Yeah, but the body kit, small leather steering wheel and quick ratio steering don't make the car any less reliable (unless it rusts under the fender flares). Oh, yeah. Dimitri, look for rust bubbles at the edges of the fender flares. You know what to do about rust, but make sure you deduct it from the purchase price. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
On Apr 16, 2013 7:54 AM, "Mitch Haley" wrote: > > > Just think of it as a 190E 2.3 with SLS, > power leather seats and a $10,000 > cylinder head upgrade. Don't forget the awesome Miami-Vice-style totally '80s body kit. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cosworth 190
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Going to see one for sale. Anything specific on this car that I should look out for? Owner says car stalls once up to temp and can't be restarted for hours. What can this mean? 90% chance of bad fuel pump relay. When you first start it, turn the key to run (not all the way to start) and listen for the pump. If you don't hear that for a few seconds after the engine dies, it died because the relay is flaky. 2.3 relays will cut off the fuel before the engine hits redline, maybe not the worst thing in a car that old. 2.3-16 relays are rare used and expensive new. 2.6 or 3.0 relays from six cylinder W201 and W124 are common and cheap on the used market, I think I paid $35 for mine, but putting a six cylinder relay in a four cylinder car means the fuel pump will not cut out if some idiot overrevs the engine. A piece of wire stuck in the proper terminals of the relay socket will get you home after you buy it. What other problems are specific to a cosworth? In addition to the usual W201 stuff like bad outside temp readouts and nonfunctional window lift switches: Either it will have collapsed SLS accumulators (along with a control valve that's been hammered until it won't hold pressure), or some fool will have 'upgraded' it to regular shock absorbers. If you can have a couple of guys sit in the trunk and the car will raise up when you start the engine, it's a miracle or the owner actually maintains it. Valve lash is, IIRC, mechanically adjusted with shims and probably hasn't been touched in 20 years. The Getrag 5sp doesn't seem to last as long between rebuilds as the regular 190E 5sp, but that might just be that the 16v get driven harder. The Getrag is rated stronger. If it's got 100,000 miles on it, the limited slip differential clutches are long gone, but that applies to any car with limited slip. Nobody ever maintains them other than occasional fluid changes. Just think of it as a 190E 2.3 with SLS, power leather seats and a $10,000 cylinder head upgrade. The LCD display in the rally computer will be more useless than the LCD in the outside temperature readout. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cosworth 190
Going to see one for sale. Anything specific on this car that I should look out for? Owner says car stalls once up to temp and can't be restarted for hours. What can this mean? What other problems are specific to a cosworth? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
