Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Curt Raymond wrote: I took the Jetta to work today and its the same thing, hard to believe its a 90HP 4cyl diesel... And the next generation is supposed to be 184hp. A Golf GTD might be a fun way to spend $27k. Still cheaper than my 167hp 190E was in 1986 dollars. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Current generation is 142hp I think. I can't really see the need for more. I took a '12 Jetta for a test ride up through southern Vermont in some rolling hills at about 50 mph it wanted me to put it in 6th gear. I figured there was no way it would pull those hills at that speed in that gear but it sure did, no problems at all. My Jetta is in the shop for a timing belt and shifter bushings, I had a hard time finding 5th gear yesterday, it'll be a fun car once I can get all the gears reliably. Not bad for $1500... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:57:07 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: 52434013.9070...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I took the Jetta to work today and its the same thing, hard to believe its a 90HP 4cyl diesel... And the next generation is supposed to be 184hp. A Golf GTD might be a fun way to spend $27k. Still cheaper than my 167hp 190E was in 1986 dollars. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Yes, it does (at least with MB's). I only know of one engine MB USA permitted regular unleaded in, the 3.8L M116. Cool, I'm sure it is! The E250 BT's 0-60 time is the same as the '94 E420 I had (7.1 sec)! Waiting for the mpg reports to start coming in! The 46mpg hwy Cruze diesel, apparently can get up into the high 50's straight highway! Have you had a chance to look at/test drive the new CLA? Rated 38mpg hwy, not bad! On 9/23/2013 9:24 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
3.79 - 3.13 = .66 .66 / 3.13 = .21 or 21% -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: CAC35L=sbmtcrr7vnhzc+8g_aewrutwhhoqf9n+akvsx2nmz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
I took the Jetta to work today and its the same thing, hard to believe its a 90HP 4cyl diesel... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:24:12 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: cacy-ba+pr57jyye+xxv8-8kv3o5zn_nhwvvyscutja0io_i...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
it's a good question that no one seems to know the answer to so they talk about something else i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. i would suggest a great inelasticity of demand for diesel fuel (used by truck and trains) than gasoline (used by cars, often for recreational use). i know that my driving was reduced drastically when fuel prices exploded and never returned, but i imagine that truck bringing worthless chinese garbage to your local walmart still makes the same trip (or cuts back on it a lot less) despite fuel prices increasing in any case, that's my speculation on the matter off the top of my head On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
READ YOUR MAIL!!! On 9/23/13 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: More energy content, plus I think the US is refining a lot of diesel and shipping off to other places, driving up the price. --R On 9/23/13 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? On 9/24/13 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
the energy content of diesel has increased over the past decade or two? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: READ YOUR MAIL!!! On 9/23/13 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: More energy content, plus I think the US is refining a lot of diesel and shipping off to other places, driving up the price. --R On 9/23/13 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? On 9/24/13 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Extra cost of producing ULSD? On average, diesel is always about 40 cents more per gallon than regular. Gerry From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com it's a good question that no one seems to know the answer to so they talk about something else i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. i would suggest a great inelasticity of demand for diesel fuel (used by truck and trains) than gasoline (used by cars, often for recreational use). i know that my driving was reduced drastically when fuel prices exploded and never returned, but i imagine that truck bringing worthless chinese garbage to your local walmart still makes the same trip (or cuts back on it a lot less) despite fuel prices increasing in any case, that's my speculation on the matter off the top of my head On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6194 - Release Date: 09/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
The Cessna likes the lack of lead, but only tolerates the higher volitility (lower vapor pressure?) of the unleaded. We can't use synthetic oils in aircraft engines due to the lead in avgas. My eninge is low compression, 80 octane is plenty. I don't think my exhaust valves are sodium filled, but don't know for sure. They might be. Special approval (an STC) is required for both the engine and the airframe to use automobile gas, which I have for this aircraft. I truck my own fuel here, but most airports only have 100LL, so I have to run it when going cross country. I don't see any difference between the two, but then again, I've only been doing this for a short while. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead? Does it have sodium-filled valves? Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. Back in the day, cars got 8-18 mpg, and for every gallon of gasoline, you had to get rid of x amount of diesel and y amount of propane that came in the crude oil along with the gasoline. Now the refineries have the ability to break down the heavy molecules to make more gas out of a barrel of crude, so selling a gallon of diesel means you can't make 1.x gallons of gas out of it. Fuels are being sold by the BTU now. (I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
(I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Amen! Last time I looked, we were exporting 40% of the Diesel we produced (refined). I don't know whether we import or export gasoline. We are in a world fuel market, not a local (national) one. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
No, marketing and sales have become more related to energy content. --R On 9/24/13 12:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the energy content of diesel has increased over the past decade or two? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Also, they are using the fractions that used to be diesel to make hydrogen. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY (I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Amen! Last time I looked, we were exporting 40% of the Diesel we produced (refined). I don't know whether we import or export gasoline. We are in a world fuel market, not a local (national) one. OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? On Sep 23, 2013 1:59 PM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: Well it seems diesel market share is finally growing after a lot of talk over the past decade. Still mostly premium/luxury segment though, putting them out of reach for many. The current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014: Mercedes-Benz http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/**benz/green#module-3http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/green#module-3 BMW http://www.bmwusa.com/**standard/content/allbmws/** allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=**Diesel,Dieselhttp://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/allbmws/allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=Diesel,Diesel VW http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-**diesel/http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-diesel/ Audi http://www.audiusa.com/**innovation/efficiency/tdihttp://www.audiusa.com/innovation/efficiency/tdi Porsche http://www.porsche.com/usa/**models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/ Chevrolet http://www.chevrolet.com/**diesel-vehicles.htmlhttp://www.chevrolet.com/diesel-vehicles.html Jeep http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/**grand_cherokee/capabilities/http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/grand_cherokee/capabilities/ Mazda (Delayed! I wonder if we'll ever see the diesel 6 here?) http://blogs.cars.com/**kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-** diesel-delayed-but-more-**diesels-could-follow.htmlhttp://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-diesel-delayed-but-more-diesels-could-follow.html -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Well it seems diesel market share is finally growing after a lot of talk over the past decade. Still mostly premium/luxury segment though, putting them out of reach for many. The current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014: Mercedes-Benz http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/green#module-3 BMW http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/allbmws/allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=Diesel,Diesel VW http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-diesel/ Audi http://www.audiusa.com/innovation/efficiency/tdi Porsche http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/ Chevrolet http://www.chevrolet.com/diesel-vehicles.html Jeep http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/grand_cherokee/capabilities/ Mazda (Delayed! I wonder if we'll ever see the diesel 6 here?) http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-diesel-delayed-but-more-diesels-could-follow.html -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? I think your question is Diesel used to be cheaper than gas, why is it more expensive now? the answer is that the price of diesel in the US now floats with the price of diesel in Europe because we ship refined product to Europe which we didn't used to do. Its the old rule of supply and demand that nobody seems to understand. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:59:33 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: CAC35L=vedbfB61e4G7MCTmuu0rEY4VZZ3ngH3N9aN0baE=p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different. Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959. Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas. Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25 MPG. Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG. So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line back up to the fuel pump Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different. Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959. Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas. Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25 MPG. Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG. So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line back up to the fuel pump Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
That's in Virginia, btw. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different. Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959. Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas. Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25 MPG. Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG. So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line back up to the fuel pump Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different. Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959. Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas. Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25 MPG. Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG. So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line back up to the fuel pump Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
You don't drive a Diesel because it's cheaper. You drive it for the superior technology, robustness, and because it's your religion. Economics has nothing to do with it. BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL Avgas runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go to. I burn unleaded regular in my Cessna . . . On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79. 3.79-3.51 = .28 3.79 / .28 = 0.07 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel with 30% more energy? Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different. Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959. Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas. Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25 MPG. Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG. So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line back up to the fuel pump Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:11:39 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL Avgas runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go to. I burn unleaded regular in my Cessna . . . Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead? Does it have sodium-filled valves? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, I look at it this way: The 300D gets very close to 30 mpg and has racked up at bit more than 400k miles (odometer reads 330k, but was non-functional for at least 4 years before I got it, and I put 15k on another one before I fixed the original). My 300TE get about 22 on the highway, my brother's 300E gets around 25. Both require premiun, and run like crap without it. The TE is at 230k, running strong. So I think I'm saving money -- I get about 25% more milage per dollar since diesel and premium are very close in price here. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:11:39 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL Avgas runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go to. I burn unleaded regular in my Cessna . . . Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead? Does it have sodium-filled valves? I thought the issue with old cars and unleaded gas had to do with the valve seats--older ones need the constant reapplication of lead deposits to protect them, or something like that? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lead oxide eats valve seats. It also eats rings, bearings, and valve guides. It may not be as hard as aluminun oxide, but it sure is harder than any metal in an engine. Burning tetraethyl lead produces microfine particulate lead oxide, which goes right through the oil filter. The huge stink about ablative coatings of lead oxide on the valve seats was bulls...t from GM because they didn't want to have to install hardened steel seats in their engines, all of which at the time had the valve seat and valve stem guide machined directly into the cast iron head. Removing the lead from gasoline resulted in much LESS valve seat wear, not more. Mercedes had been using hardened steel valve seats for decades by that time. So had everyone using aluminum heads, and nearly everyone using cast iron. After all, they run much better when the valves seal The reason engines last so much longer than they did in the 60s is due to to things -- no lead, hence no lead oxide abrasive powder in the oil grinding the engine into dust, and the fact that the typical sloppy manufacturing in the 60's prevented most engines from meeting emission standards. It wasn't uncommon for the crankpins on a Chevy 350 V8 to be 0.030 off center (in any direction, and different on all the crankpins) and the lifter bores were up to 10 degrees off true and as much as 0.100 off center. Sloppy manufacture, especially off- center crankshaft journals, means poor engine life. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
