Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-15 Thread Russ Maki

Royce Engler wrote:


It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle
(truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans
demanded that they sell it over here.  They couldn't keep up with demand for
the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different
body...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K

 

No, it was a concept car before it went into production. I remember 
seeing it on a turntable at the Chicago Auto Show.


Russ Maki



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Kevin
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
> HELL NO.  The damn MB engines are made by Detroit.  Cummins makes a MUCH  
> better product.  MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car  
> engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.

Does anyone know how the MB engines in the commercial trucks have been
fairing? I'm curious if they hold their own to what else is out there,
or if they're just rebadged detroits in disguise (for whatever that's worth).

K



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Jeff Zedic
He actually liked the diesel engine in the Jeep he reviewed this 
weekend. It was a V6 MB engine..it was the only thing he liked.


It is nice to see someone have anopinion these days though..

Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Jeff Zedic

Yes, he really pisses me off with his racing against public transport.

He takes a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and drives to Switzerland while his 
compatriots take the train.oh, and he arrives at the same time as 
them all fresh as a daisy! YEAH RIGHT!!


Oh, and how much did the fuel cost to run  the Ferrari Jeremy?? No 
answer..He needs a good beating!


He just got rid of his Ford GT because the alarm didn't work

Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Too vanillaI know for one that Jeremy Clarkson absolutely
> hates them and says so on his tv show and in his columns.

Oh, yeah, by strange coincidence he seems to find British cars to be fine an
inordinate amount of the time. And he whinges on about diesels ad nauseum.

I can't stand him. Just another puffed up drunken half-rate limey scribbler.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Jeff Zedic
I doubt it was designed for Europe as the looks are just too US for 
them. Too vanillaI know for one that Jeremy Clarkson absolutely 
hates them and says so on his tv show and in his columns.


This is actually a breath of fresh air as so many reviews are too mamby 
pamby about calling a POS a POS!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Mitch Haley
JabbaHursty wrote:
> 
> i really dug the pt cruiser.  one of the cars i'd look it if i ever had an
> inclination to buy a new car

I have no inclination to buy a small 4 cyl car that gets no better mpg than my
3.8L Taurus.



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle
> (truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans
> demanded that they sell it over here.

Hmmm, no, I don't see that from two angles: one, I think the PT was either a
done deal, or at least in late stages of conception, when DC came to be.
Second, I don't see it as a european design as it does not 'hark back' to
anything european that I can think of except maybe the Volvo Express
delivery wagons, and even Volvo no longer bothers making those versions in
its new cars.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread JabbaHursty
i really dug the pt cruiser.  one of the cars i'd look it if i ever had an 
inclination to buy a new car


i still rent them every now and again when  i go somewhere

At 01:58 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:

It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle
(truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans
demanded that they sell it over here.  They couldn't keep up with demand for
the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different
body...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all
with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Royce Engler
It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle
(truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans
demanded that they sell it over here.  They couldn't keep up with demand for
the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different
body...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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market


You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all
with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Christopher McCann
It's Mother Russia - Germany is the Vaterland (Father
Land).

CM

--- Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HELL NO.  The damn MB engines are made by Detroit. 
> Cummins makes a MUCH  
> better product.  MB makes a (well, this is
> questionable) kick ass car  
> engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:01:11 -0500, Kaleb C.
> Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
> > yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB
> engine in it.  Makes no
> > sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines.  In
> fact, I think its about
> > time to start putting MB truck engines in the
> rams.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Luther  KB5QHU
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> '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
> '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Luther Gulseth
HELL NO.  The damn MB engines are made by Detroit.  Cummins makes a MUCH  
better product.  MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car  
engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.



On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:01:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it.  Makes no
sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines.  In fact, I think its about
time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams.





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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread OK Don
Hmmm - wonder if I could buy the engine and have it shipped over for
my Grand Voyager? The original 3.3 engine uses more oil (Mobil 1 since
new) and has needed more repairs than any of my Benzs (SLC excluded)
from '97 to date.

On 9/13/05, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all
> with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.
> 
> Jeff Zedic
> Toronto
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Jeff Zedic
You can  have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all 
with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread John M McIntosh
AH, that explains it, I was wondering because Consumer Reports talked  
about how that
engine in real world conditions got 50% less MPG than EPA numbers. I  
couldn't understand
if it was a CDI MB engine why the numbers could be so skewed/wrong/ 
deceitful.


Lets see
"VM Motori, which is owned in part by Detroit Diesel, a  
DaimlerChrysler company, is the manufacturer of the engine."

&
"The engine produces 160 horsepower and gets an estimated fuel  
economy of 22 miles city and 27 miles highway."


On 13-Sep-05, at 5:53 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:


The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.

What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it.  Makes no 
sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines.  In fact, I think its about 
time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams.


Peter Frederick wrote:

The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger 
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has 
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg 
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.


What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-14 Thread Peter Frederick
The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger 
with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has 
ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg 
-- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one.


What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605?

Peter




Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-13 Thread redghost
the jeep boys (buyers not sellers) like the 4 banger and are slobbering 
all over themselves to get the larger engine models.  At least this is 
according to BiL who goes rock crawling in the silly things


On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 07:27 AM, Steve MacSween wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing
about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel
engine!!


LoL, would you buy one anyway?

Just wait until it arrives. The automotive writers will start whinging 
on
about this and that. Look at the coverage that Italian diesel in the 
Liberty

is getting.

Consumer Reports does not think it's fast enough. Since when are the
propeller-heads at CR experts on diesel performance? I really wonder
sometimes if Toyota did not pay for their HQ building on the qt, as 
only

Toyota can apparently make cars they praise!~

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-13 Thread Jeff Zedic
I just like the idea that the morons at Chrylser can get it right but 
always somewhere else


There's 	ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE	 I would ever buy an american vehicle. I 
spent 2 years at a dealership that used to be Jeep and was now a Toyota. 
Our cars came in for oil changes, mufflers and brakes, their's came in 
for u-joints, power steering pumps, igniters, wheel bearings, brakes, on 
and on and on... and the stupid owners were happy to get out for less 
than $2500!!! hahahaha idiots.



Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-13 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing
> about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel
> engine!!

LoL, would you buy one anyway?

Just wait until it arrives. The automotive writers will start whinging on
about this and that. Look at the coverage that Italian diesel in the Liberty
is getting. 

Consumer Reports does not think it's fast enough. Since when are the
propeller-heads at CR experts on diesel performance? I really wonder
sometimes if Toyota did not pay for their HQ building on the qt, as only
Toyota can apparently make cars they praise!~

Mac




Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-13 Thread Jeff Zedic
According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing 
about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel 
engine!!


Wish we could get that here!!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto



[MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel & hybrid prediction for US market

2005-09-13 Thread Christopher McCann
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050913/bs_nm/autos_chrysler2_dc

Ridenour said he expected hybrids to make up about
5-15 percent of the U.S. market once they were cheap
enough for the common man. Diesel would take another
5-15 percent with gasoline accounting for the rest, he
said.

In Europe, where diesel makes up about half of car
sales, hybrids would take nearer 5 than 15 percent of
the market.

Ridenour said new models should help Chrysler double
its European market share to 1.5 percent by 2008-09,
thanks in part to new cars being available in diesel
and right-hand drive from the launch. 


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