[MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in conjuntion with coolant? The tap water in Adelaide is notoriously full of all sorts of crap, I'd drink it but am worried it will leave all sorts of stuff in the cooling system. - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it So by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05? Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff. So the answer to your other question is color. I get it at NAPA. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 8/09/2006
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. On 9/9/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in conjuntion with coolant? The tap water in Adelaide is notoriously full of all sorts of crap, I'd drink it but am worried it will leave all sorts of stuff in the cooling system. - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it >> So by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a >> supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05? > > Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff. So the answer to your > other question is color. I get it at NAPA. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 8/09/2006 > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K "Stardust" 1996 Sidekick 57K "Kermit" 1992 500SL 109K "The Flying Plum"
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Marshal gave us a detailed analysis of why not (or was it distilled water?) a while back. I don't remember the details, but I think it came down to 'if it's safe to drink, it's OK for the car'. If in doubt, the bottled drinking water sounds like a very good solution. On 9/9/06, Desert Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
a lot of new blood with the popularity of the new C Class > (I guess > it's not really new anymore) - I seem to see them everywhere. > > With all the cross membership between PCA - BMWCCA - MBCA I would > have > hoped some of the "Good Practices" from the others would find their > way into > MBCA. Maybe it's a mindset of "if we didn't invent it we don't > want it" > that seems to occur in other organizations. > > At one point back in the late 80's I believe the membership of MBCA > was over > 32000 - last I heard it was in the mid 20'sK. Guess I should look > at the > website to see if they tell what the present level is? > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ > . > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBCA vs the rest > > > < > size, while > MBCA has lost members. I'll do all I can to revitalize how MBCA > works.>> > > I have been an MBCA member for 21 years and I believe one of the > club's > major > problems is that the average age of the members is going ever > higher which > reduces the available number of qualified people to run the > organization. > Take a > look in Star at the photos of the members around the country and > count the > ones who do NOT have white hair. In the Seattle section (mine), > sometimes > the > events resemble outings from a retirement home. And so you see the > same > names > running the local and national offices year after year after year. > > What MBCA needs is a bunch of enthusiastic members in the 40-50 > year age > range to breathe some new life into it. But, what exactly does the > club > offer > besides social events (tours and wine tasting)? > > And comparing MBCA to PCA and BMWCCA doesn't get you anywhere > because the > interests of the members of PCA (which I am very well acquainted > with) are > dissimilar. For example, this weekend at Pacific Raceways in Kent, > Wa, PCA > and the > local BMW club are having a joint Driver Ed two day event and even > though > it's > late in the season with iffy weather in the forecast, 160 drivers > showed up > paying $160 per day each. > > And of the nearly 6 PCA members nationally, almost 1600 of them > are in > my > Region which is western Washington. And we have over 100 grand in > the bank > with a monthly publication that we spend 60 grand per year on. > > And that's all possible because of a large DE program, a Drivers > Skills > program (always a waiting list) and a nine event autocross program > which > usually > draws about 90 entrants per event. All of these events show a profit. > > Tours have become a very popular thing (with lots of bad driving, a > perpetual > problem) and usually about six technical presentation events each > year. > > Of course, PCA is light years beyond MBCA technically with a large > National > Tech Committee on line to answer questions. > > Take a look at www.pca.org and navigate to the Tech Committee's pages. > > And PCA's Executive Council, despite their profligate spending > practices > (travel and meeting expenses paid for national officers and > committees as > required) cannot seem to make much of a dent in National's 3 mil bank > balance. > > RLE > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: > 9/8/2006 > > > > ___________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Mix them if you have hard water, that will limit the minerals and not be as bad as distilled.. On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:34:46 -0500, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It was distilled water. Marshall and I went back and forth on this for a while. The conclusion was that two maps were produced of the US - one from MBUSA and the other from the USGS. If you live in an area with high mineral content in the water (I forget what concentration), then use distilled. I'm in Kansas City, and I use distilled - HIGH mineral content hear. Other places it is not necessary. Marshall was pretty adamantly against distilled, but MBUSA, in their newsletter to Indy's recommended it for areas with high mineral content water...actually, I think they recommended it everywhere. Marshall argued that the coolant was not oroginally designed for distilled water. I countered that the formula may have been changed the rec may have been rethought for some reason. THAT question was never resolved. Chris -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
I think Marshall's argument was that the coolant is designed to the correct pH when mixed with tap water...something about buffering...and if you used distilled water, it would not balance right. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that was what he said. Apologies to Marshall if I'm not remembering correctly. Since water is different everywhere, pH and mineral wise, I can't see how that argument works. Oh yeah, he also said (and we all agreed) that the pH of distilled water is acidic and that is bad. I argued that with distilled water, you have a known starting point and can formulate the coolant accordingly. -Chris dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What would be in tap water that would make it better than distilled? Chlorine and fluoride? Around here we get a good dose of heavy metals, PCB's, any who knows what else from lake Erie. Oh, and don't forget the yearly outbreak of E-Coli when they close Edgewater Park. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 9/10/06, Christopher McCann wrote: > It was distilled water. Marshall and I went back and forth on this for a > while. The conclusion was that two maps were produced of the US - one from > MBUSA and the other from the USGS. If you live in an area with high mineral > content in the water (I forget what concentration), then use distilled. I'm > in Kansas City, and I use distilled - HIGH mineral content hear. Other places > it is not necessary. > > Marshall was pretty adamantly against distilled, but MBUSA, in their > newsletter to Indy's recommended it for areas with high mineral content > water...actually, I think they recommended it everywhere. > > Marshall argued that the coolant was not oroginally designed for distilled > water. I countered that the formula may have been changed the rec may have > been rethought for some reason. THAT question was never resolved. > > Chris > > > > OK Don wrote: Marshal gave us a detailed analysis of why not (or was it > distilled > water?) a while back. I don't remember the details, but I think it > came down to 'if it's safe to drink, it's OK for the car'. If in > doubt, the bottled drinking water sounds like a very good solution. > > On 9/9/06, Desert Rat wrote: > > Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with > > natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use > > store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read > > somewhere not to use demineralized water. > > > > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've > exhausted all the alternatives." > Sir Winston Churchill > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > -1985 300SD, 216K, "Wulf" > -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box" > -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger" > > - > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 216K, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box" -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger" - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 11 00:15:46 2006 Received: from 70-184-22-178.atlasok.com ([70.184.22.178] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GMZSj-0008Up-Qt for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:15:46 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:15:37 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should sti
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Christopher McCann wrote: > Since water is different everywhere, pH and mineral wise, I can't see how > that argument works. > > Oh yeah, he also said (and we all agreed) that the pH of distilled water is > acidic and that is bad. I argued that with distilled water, you have a known > starting point and can formulate the coolant accordingly. > I think in most municipal water systems the tap water is slightly basic, to reduce corrosion in pipes. Federal regulations require a range of 6.5 to 8.5, IIRC. Once upon a time, VW blamed hard tap water in the U.S. for head corrosion problems and head gasket leaks on Vanagons, and recommended that only distilled water be used with their special coolant. I have my doubts, though. I tend to think the corrosion was secondary -- the head gaskets would start weeping and this would lead to corrosion of the head sealing surface and a bigger leak.
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Hendrik Riessen wrote: > While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in > conjuntion with coolant? Sure. I know peole who won't use anything but distilled, for exactly the reasons you mention.
