Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

If it was, someone did a really nice job. That pattern and material look like 
factory. The pattern is different, which wouldn’t be unusual, but here is the 
driver’s seat from my 250LWB with factory velour:

[cid:cb2c6a3c-b8a1-4d20-b244-b1b51a65e3dc@namprd07.prod.outlook.com]


-D



> On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>
> Except in this case the ad says it was reupholstered in AZ. I’m not sure if 
> that is factory correct or not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 3:20 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the 
>> velour upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the 
>> condition of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be 
>> condition-wise with leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the first 
>> car I owned that had it, and suprised and impressed after I had experienced 
>> it for a while.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
>>> tobacco smoke.
>>>
 On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?

 --FT

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Except in this case the ad says it was reupholstered in AZ. I’m not sure if 
that is factory correct or not. 

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> On Jun 23, 2024, at 3:20 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the velour 
> upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the condition 
> of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be condition-wise 
> with leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the first car I owned 
> that had it, and suprised and impressed after I had experienced it for a 
> while.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
>> tobacco smoke.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 6/23/24 11:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Git your wallet out, boys...
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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Pretty sure that’s a horrible aftermarket reupholster job.

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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It’s not the velour, it's the seat padding. And believe it or not, speaking 
from direct experience, it’s quite easy to deodorize. If you’ve never felt or 
sat on this material, it’s quite different from the velour many of us know. 
It’s actually sort of rough, believe it or not. It’s quite different from the 
velour used for clothing, at least velour clothing I’ve encountered.

-D

On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

Maybe, but velour does tend to absorb odors...

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 4:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the velour 
upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the condition 
of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be condition-wise with 
leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the first car I owned that had 
it, and suprised and impressed after I had experienced it for a while.

-D

> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
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> Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
> tobacco smoke.
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
>> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
>>
>> --FT
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe, but velour does tend to absorb odors...

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 4:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the
> velour upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the
> condition of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be
> condition-wise with leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the
> first car I owned that had it, and suprised and impressed after I had
> experienced it for a while.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
> > tobacco smoke.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the velour 
upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the condition 
of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be condition-wise with 
leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the first car I owned that had 
it, and suprised and impressed after I had experienced it for a while.

-D

> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
> tobacco smoke.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
>> 
>> --FT
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>> On 6/23/24 11:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's vintage German cig smoke, adds to the patina and the ownership 
experience.


--FT

On 6/23/24 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European 
tobacco smoke.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


"Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
tobacco smoke.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?

--FT

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Git your wallet out, boys...
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[MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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Git your wallet out, boys...
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[MG via Mercedes]

Yeah more or less the same thing. I believe there were just minor 
timing and carburetion differences.


That engine was also used in the bus. That might be an 
interesting car to get. I have a 6 cyl 911 engine with 5 speed 
transmission in an 82 bus that would fit into there right easy 
and probably make it go just a bit better.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:42:57 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 

The seats do look a tad MBish. Is the engine that is in this 
similar to the
one in Porsche 912s? I had a friend back in the day claimed he 
had a 912

engine in his type 4. I could never verify.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

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I don't know and I'm too tired/sore (cut up a scrap snowmobile trailer today) 
to go find my "For the Complet idiot" book. I think that sounds vaugely right. 
The engine is only a relative cousin to the upright engine in the Beetle 
anyway, more like the pancake engine in the Type 3. I *think* the Type 4 engine 
is the same as in the late bus.
-Curt
 

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The seats do look a tad MBish. Is the engine that is in this similar to the one 
in Porsche 912s? I had a friend back in the day claimed he had a 912 engine in 
his type 4. I could never verify.  Bob ROn Dec 18, 2015 1:39 PM, "Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Too cool.
Are those seats stock? They sure look like MB seats with the headrests removed 
to me, especially the back seat.
-Curt



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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/5326086514.html

Random.

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Too cool.
Are those seats stock? They sure look like MB seats with the headrests removed 
to me, especially the back seat.
-Curt

 

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/5326086514.html

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

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411s were all gas, they never made a diesel variant that I know of.

Dan

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> I assume this is a gas engine.  Looks like a future classic.
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>> Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

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Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I assume this is a gas engine.  Looks like a future classic.

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> Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!
> --
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> '95 E300
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> On December 18, 2015 2:41:36 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> >Random.
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/5326086514.html

Random.

BobR
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Way better than a 73 frod or shovrolet, or 73 gasser MB for that matter.

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The seats do look a tad MBish. Is the engine that is in this similar to the
one in Porsche 912s? I had a friend back in the day claimed he had a 912
engine in his type 4. I could never verify.

Bob R
On Dec 18, 2015 1:39 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Too cool.
> Are those seats stock? They sure look like MB seats with the headrests
> removed to me, especially the back seat.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The Type 3 and Type 4 cars were pretty zippy. Probably a death trap in a 
wreck...
-Curt

 

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Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

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> On December 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!

My Saab 99 (a very aerodynamic car for its day and mine had a huge factory air
dam in front) would do an honest 200kph with the tach over redline, on 2 liters
and 8 valves. Don't know how fast it would have gone if the power peak coincided
with top speed. 

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There is a wagon Type 4 sitting down the runway from me - it's been sitting
outside for a long time, probably a total loss by now.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Type 3 and Type 4 cars were pretty zippy. Probably a death trap in a
> wreck...
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every Day...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Elon Musk has asked California Envirornemental regulatiors to force VW to
develop electric cars rather than try to fix its dirty diesels.

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>
> > On December 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Wow.  Pretty optimistic speedometer, goes up to 120 mph!
>
> My Saab 99 (a very aerodynamic car for its day and mine had a huge factory
> air
> dam in front) would do an honest 200kph with the tach over redline, on 2
> liters
> and 8 valves. Don't know how fast it would have gone if the power peak
> coincided
> with top speed.
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[MBZ] Don't See This Every Day...

[Robert Rentfro]

A '54? Really? Looks later to me.

 

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See This Every Day...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

its a ponton, thats probably the right year

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Re: [MBZ] Don't See This Every Day...

[Rich Thomas]

There is a Lebanese restaurant here in town, the owners have a big 
picture on the wall of Beirut in the 50s, some big square with lots of 
cars going around it taken from some tall building, and the father/owner 
is in that picture somewhere (he says -- apparently he was the wrestling 
champion of Lebanon at that time, and he was doing something official 
when the pic was taken).  Anyway, the thing I noted is that a bunch of 
the cars were Benzes like that one.  I talked to the guy about that, he 
said lots of the taxis and private cars were Benzes at that time, Beirut 
was a very wealthy destination city for Euro types and Middle 
Easterners, lots of entertainments not available in other places in 
the region. 

He lamented that the crazies had taken over, and was very sad for his 
country.

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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 its a ponton, thats probably the right year

 Robert Rentfro wrote:
   
 A '54? Really? Looks later to me.

  

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