Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Hook it to a wind farm On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 06:19 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Schisler, Gary wrote: Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially viable. I think the breakthrough would have to come in the form of some abundant, cheap source of electrical power to use to electrolyse the stuff... ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
My dream is that technological breakthroughs will lead to ever more clever ways to harness the power of the sun (photovoltaics), foster energy conservation, and reduce emissions from the use of fossil fuels. There are even some intriguing developments in nuclear power that were unforeseeable a decade ago. On 6/20/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > Presumably the dream for some is lots o' new nukes generating > > "pollution free" electricity which can be used to make H2 out of H2O. > > Some dream... > > Nuclear power may be our best option in the forseeable future. We > really need to figure out what to do with the waste, though. Some > combination of reprocessing and Yucca Mountain-style storage will > probably be the best bet. > > ___ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com > For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
andrew strasfogel wrote: Presumably the dream for some is lots o' new nukes generating "pollution free" electricity which can be used to make H2 out of H2O. Some dream... Nuclear power may be our best option in the forseeable future. We really need to figure out what to do with the waste, though. Some combination of reprocessing and Yucca Mountain-style storage will probably be the best bet.
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
What is your dream? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Presumably the dream for some is lots o' new nukes generating "pollution free" electricity which can be used to make H2 out of H2O. Some dream... On 6/20/05, Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: Schisler, Gary wrote: Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially viable. I think the breakthrough would have to come in the form of some abundant, cheap source of electrical power to use to electrolyse the stuff... Abundant, cheap and clean would be the ticket. Hydrogen produced using an abundant, dirty source of electrical power could create as much if not more pollution than the gasoline it displaced. Lee ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Presumably the dream for some is lots o' new nukes generating "pollution free" electricity which can be used to make H2 out of H2O. Some dream... On 6/20/05, Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > David Brodbeck wrote: > > > Schisler, Gary wrote: > > > >> Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free > >> fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is > >> that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more > >> expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I > >> envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially > >> viable. > > > > > > I think the breakthrough would have to come in the form of some > > abundant, cheap source of electrical power to use to electrolyse the > > stuff... > > Abundant, cheap and clean would be the ticket. Hydrogen produced using > an abundant, dirty source of electrical power could create as much if > not more pollution than the gasoline it displaced. > > Lee > > > > > ___ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com > > For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > -- > > > Lee Einer > Dos Manos Jewelry > http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com > > > > > ___ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For new parts see www.buymbparts.com > For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
David Brodbeck wrote: Schisler, Gary wrote: Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially viable. I think the breakthrough would have to come in the form of some abundant, cheap source of electrical power to use to electrolyse the stuff... Abundant, cheap and clean would be the ticket. Hydrogen produced using an abundant, dirty source of electrical power could create as much if not more pollution than the gasoline it displaced. Lee ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Schisler, Gary wrote: Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially viable. I think the breakthrough would have to come in the form of some abundant, cheap source of electrical power to use to electrolyse the stuff...
RE: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Why the fascination? Because it has the POTENTIAL to be a smog free fuel, renewable and, a clean burning fuel. The downside, of course, is that it takes more energy to generate H2 that it produces. It is more expensive than gasoline or diesel but the possibilities are huge. I envision a breakthrough in 10-20 years that will make it commercially viable. Gary
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Lee Einer wrote: > > Why the fascination with hydrogen-fueled vehicles? > Agreed. At this point in time, it's just a more explosive battery. All "zero emission vehicles" should be renamed "remote emission vehicles".
Re: [MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
Why the fascination with hydrogen-fueled vehicles? There is no infrastructure to support refueling, their mileage is worse than that of battery-powered cars, and they are an environmental scam. What, a scam? But they put out pure water as exhaust! Yes, they are a scam from the vantage of low pollution. Current commercial hydrogen production presently derives from fossil fuels. No environmental advantage there. Large scale production of hydrogen of the sort needed to fuel our country's vehicles would need to be done by electrolysis; this means consuming more electricity in the production than the hydrogen will release when used as fuel. The electricity, with our current stationary energy infrastructure, will be produced in large part by burning coal, the dirtiest fuel around. So hydrogen is a fuel which is immaculately clean in its consumption, but dirty in its production. Hydrogen would be a dandy intermediary (after the mileage and refueling infrastructure issues are addressed) on that glorious day when our stationary electrical production derives from wind, solar and geothermal sources rather than coal, but until that day, biodiesel is a much more attractive alternative fuel. The connection between hydrogen fuel, electricity consumption and fossil fuels goes a long way towards explaining why Big Oil and Enron toadies like Bush and Schwarzenegger are pimping hydrogen as the answer, IMO. Lee John Robbins wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-06-16-a-class_x.htm My favorite part was the line about waiting 30 seconds to start just like a good old diesel :) John ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com
[MBZ] Favorable A-Class Review
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-06-16-a-class_x.htm My favorite part was the line about waiting 30 seconds to start just like a good old diesel :) John
