Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably BG44. That’s quite popular around the indy circuit. Wicked stuff.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My indy was big on having me run Techron through the gassers to clean up the 
> injectors.  Diesels were another story, but I think on the newer ones he was 
> promoting some sort of injector cleaners.
> 
> I like Marvel Mystery oil in the tank with each fuel up.  May be a waste of 
> cash, but the M117 really likes it.  Djet hates the oxygenated fuels, so she 
> only gets ethanol free around town.  On the road, I have to fuel up at normal 
> pumps and the car runs like crap until I fill with good fuel.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never run any sort of additive in diesels unless there was a need for 
>> gel prevention or something along those lines.  With gassers such as the 
>> M112, is there every a need to run some sort of cleaner thru them 
>> periodically?  If so, what cleaner and how often?
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

My indy was big on having me run Techron through the gassers to clean up the 
injectors.  Diesels were another story, but I think on the newer ones he was 
promoting some sort of injector cleaners.

I like Marvel Mystery oil in the tank with each fuel up.  May be a waste of 
cash, but the M117 really likes it.  Djet hates the oxygenated fuels, so she 
only gets ethanol free around town.  On the road, I have to fuel up at normal 
pumps and the car runs like crap until I fill with good fuel.

clay

> On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never run any sort of additive in diesels unless there was a need for 
> gel prevention or something along those lines.  With gassers such as the 
> M112, is there every a need to run some sort of cleaner thru them 
> periodically?  If so, what cleaner and how often?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I have seen supposedly top tier diesel. 

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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Costco fuel in my cars exclusively, and have never had a problem. It’s 
> Top Tier stuff, so tossing an occasional bottle of Techron in them is a waste 
> of money.
> 
> I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel 
> in diesel? I tell the eldest boy to always fuel up at our local Shell. The 
> price is competitive and it’s unlikely they would have crappy fuel. It’s a 
> busy place and turns fuel over pretty often as well.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
>>> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
>>> clean.
>> 
>> Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up 
>> in a hurry. 
>> Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
>> Techron through it if that happens.
>> I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 
>> to -15 fuel trim on E10. 
>> When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it 
>> probably wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel 
>> trim getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still 
>> claims it's lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the 
>> experiment was over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe 
>> I got used to it running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 
>> 
>> That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
>> tests?
>> He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
>> soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs in V+ Shell and it 
>> cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do 
>> to EGR sooted intake valves over time. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan inquires:

>I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel in 
>diesel?

Dead Sam's and Costco. 

https://www.toptiergas.com/diesel-licensed-brands/

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 AFAIK every drop of gas sold in the commonwealth of MA is E10. I had some 
amount of trouble with it early on, these days I don't have any more trouble 
than I did before everything was E10. These days I add 1oz of Seafoam to ever 
gallon of gas I put in a can. I'm not sure if thats what makes it keep better 
but in the garage I've got 5 gallons I bought 2 years ago that seems to still 
work okay, the snowblower doesn't mind it anyhow.
-Curt

On Monday, December 23, 2019, 8:51:26 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
> clean.

Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in a 
hurry. 
Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
Techron through it if that happens.
I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 to 
-15 fuel trim on E10. 
When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it probably 
wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel trim 
getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still claims it's 
lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the experiment was 
over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I got used to it 
running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 

That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
tests?
He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs in V+ Shell and it 
cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do to 
EGR sooted intake valves over time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 23, 2019 at 8:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel 
> in diesel?

https://www.toptiergas.com/diesel-licensed-brands/

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I use Costco fuel in my cars exclusively, and have never had a problem. It’s 
Top Tier stuff, so tossing an occasional bottle of Techron in them is a waste 
of money.

I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel in 
diesel? I tell the eldest boy to always fuel up at our local Shell. The price 
is competitive and it’s unlikely they would have crappy fuel. It’s a busy place 
and turns fuel over pretty often as well.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
>> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
>> clean.
> 
> Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in 
> a hurry. 
> Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
> Techron through it if that happens.
> I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 
> to -15 fuel trim on E10. 
> When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it 
> probably wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel 
> trim getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still 
> claims it's lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the 
> experiment was over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I 
> got used to it running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 
> 
> That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
> tests?
> He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
> soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs in V+ Shell and it 
> cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do 
> to EGR sooted intake valves over time. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
> clean.

Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in a 
hurry. 
Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
Techron through it if that happens.
I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 to 
-15 fuel trim on E10. 
When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it probably 
wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel trim 
getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still claims it's 
lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the experiment was 
over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I got used to it 
running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 

That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
tests?
He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs in V+ Shell and it 
cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do to 
EGR sooted intake valves over time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
don't think you'd need any.   Running e10 to e85 will keep things clean.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 22, 2019 at 9:16 PM
Continuous use of Top Tier detergent gasoline, or occasional use of 
Shell V+Power.
V+ has twice the detergency of regular Shell, which meets top tier 
standards.

So V+ has about 8x the federal minimums.
The federal minimums caused a lot of problems in the 1990s when they 
were implemented, because a lot of brands lowered their detergent 
levels to match the new government standard.

That prompted BMW, Honda and MBZ to get together and invent Top Tier.
https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/



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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Continuous use of Top Tier detergent gasoline, or occasional use of Shell 
V+Power. 
V+ has twice the detergency of regular Shell, which meets top tier standards. 
So V+ has about 8x the federal minimums. 
The federal minimums caused a lot of problems in the 1990s when they were 
implemented, because a lot of brands lowered their detergent levels to match 
the new government standard. 
That prompted BMW, Honda and MBZ to get together and invent Top Tier. 
https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/

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[MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have never run any sort of additive in diesels unless there was a need 
for gel prevention or something along those lines.  With gassers such as 
the M112, is there every a need to run some sort of cleaner thru them 
periodically?  If so, what cleaner and how often?



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