Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
> Who would have thought that a bad ground would masquerade as a bad relay! Anyone who's ever been screwed by a bad ground before, and learned from it! Or learned it indirectly, from others' experiences. Let that be all of us. They're called circuits, for a reason. Let the circle be unbroken, kum-bah-yah, etc... :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
> by electrical/electronic engineering standards none of it should work and it > was full of feedback loops, etc, He's not wrong. Car wiring only worked because it (used to be) pretty darned insensitive. Anything less than a Watt moving around didn't really do anything in 1956; electrics, not electronics. The antenna wiring of the radio was pretty critical, but also was separate, and quite direct. Otherwise, if it didn't light an incandescent lamp, or turn a motor, it 'didn't happen'. Of course, _now_ cars are _full_ of sensitive electronics... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I’m going to June Jamboree actually! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2023, at 11:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > Perseverance rewarded, dimitri. Take the weekend off. > >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 11:34 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> Thanks. It’s a great car! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: >> > >> > >> > good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road >> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad >> >> ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front >> >> fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected >> >> to the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean >> >> copper and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought >> >> that a bad ground would masquerade as a bad relay! >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the >> >> >> relay, >> >> >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all >> >> > that >> >> > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the >> >> > relay >> >> > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. >> >> > >> >> > What's there already is exactly the right size. >> >> > >> >> > -- Jim >> >> > ___ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Perseverance rewarded, dimitri. Take the weekend off. On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 11:34 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks. It’s a great car! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Dwight Giles > wrote: > > > > > > good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road > > > >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad > ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front > fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to > the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper > and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad > ground would masquerade as a bad relay! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the > relay, > >> >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all > that > >> > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by > the relay > >> > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. > >> > > >> > What's there already is exactly the right size. > >> > > >> > -- Jim > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Thanks. It’s a great car! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > > good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road > >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground >> to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, >> under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the >> terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and >> soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad >> ground would masquerade as a bad relay! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, >> >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. >> >> >> > >> > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that >> > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the >> > relay >> > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. >> > >> > What's there already is exactly the right size. >> > >> > -- Jim >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Yes this was a great lesson for me! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2023, at 11:26 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Bad grounds can do all sorts of odd things! > > My Dad refused to work on automotive electrical stuff, said by > electrical/electronic engineering standards not of it should work and it was > full of feedback loops, etc, and that was before 1976. > > Glad it was something simple and easy to fix. > > My latest electrical gremlin was a bad connector on the low beam on the left > side of my Golf. Bad contact had overheated it, and it was making > intermittent contact on top of the connector being stuck. Also had a issue > with the right turn signal front bulb not flashing, bulb is good. > > Fixed the connector by reshaping it after prying the da..d thing off and > getting it installed properly (PO screwed it up, or whoever replaced the lamp > last), and now the right turn signal works perfectly….. > > Gotta love common ground electrical circuits. > > Almost as much fun as un-soldered “pressure” grounds in stereo equipment! > > Peter > >> On Jun 13, 2023, at 7:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground >> to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, >> under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the >> terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and >> soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad >> ground would masquerade as a bad relay! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. >>> >>> Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that >>> current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the relay >>> itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. >>> >>> What's there already is exactly the right size. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Haha. Got it! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:48:26 -0400 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Who are these Percys? > Gold Star for Percy Verence!! > > Perserverance. > > >>> With an assist from Percy P. Cassity. > > Perspicacity. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Bad grounds can do all sorts of odd things! My Dad refused to work on automotive electrical stuff, said by electrical/electronic engineering standards not of it should work and it was full of feedback loops, etc, and that was before 1976. Glad it was something simple and easy to fix. My latest electrical gremlin was a bad connector on the low beam on the left side of my Golf. Bad contact had overheated it, and it was making intermittent contact on top of the connector being stuck. Also had a issue with the right turn signal front bulb not flashing, bulb is good. Fixed the connector by reshaping it after prying the da..d thing off and getting it installed properly (PO screwed it up, or whoever replaced the lamp last), and now the right turn signal works perfectly….. Gotta love common ground electrical circuits. Almost as much fun as un-soldered “pressure” grounds in stereo equipment! Peter > On Jun 13, 2023, at 7:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground > to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, > under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the > terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and > soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad > ground would masquerade as a bad relay! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, >>> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. >>> >> >> Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that >> current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the relay >> itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. >> >> What's there already is exactly the right size. >> >> -- Jim >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad > ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front > fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to > the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper > and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad > ground would masquerade as a bad relay! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, > >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. > >> > > > > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that > > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the > relay > > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. > > > > What's there already is exactly the right size. > > > > -- Jim > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:48:26 -0400 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > Who are these Percys? > >> Gold Star for Percy Verence!! Perserverance. > > With an assist from Percy P. Cassity. Perspicacity. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Who are these Percys? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2023, at 9:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> Gold Star for Percy Verence!! > > With an assist from Percy P. Cassity. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
> Gold Star for Percy Verence!! With an assist from Percy P. Cassity. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Gold Star for Percy Verence!! On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 8:50 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Excellent! Yes, the ground is half of the power circuit - no ground is like > a switch being turned off. > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad > > ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front > > fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected > to > > the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean > copper > > and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a > bad > > ground would masquerade as a bad relay! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the > relay, > > >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. > > >> > > > > > > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all > that > > > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the > > relay > > > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. > > > > > > What's there already is exactly the right size. > > > > > > -- Jim > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > are wearing." > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Werner > Von Braun > > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be > doing it." > -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Excellent! Yes, the ground is half of the power circuit - no ground is like a switch being turned off. On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad > ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front > fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to > the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper > and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad > ground would masquerade as a bad relay! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, > >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. > >> > > > > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that > > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the > relay > > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. > > > > What's there already is exactly the right size. > > > > -- Jim > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Werner Von Braun "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be doing it." -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad ground would masquerade as a bad relay! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. >> > > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that > current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the relay > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. > > What's there already is exactly the right size. > > -- Jim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
> > The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, > unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. > Not even close. The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that current goes back out through the GP's. Only a dribble is used by the relay itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink. What's there already is exactly the right size. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
> > If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This > stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. > Same as what's there, of course. But, given that grounding is done in clusters, if one is bad perhaps so are others. So, track down the existing ground and fix it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Yes there is power to the relay but no power out. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I may have missed it, but did you confirm there's actually power at the > relay? In other words, put a meter between the (supposed) 12V feed and a > ground point such as the engine or negative battery terminal. I don't > remember if the W124 relays have a strip fuse like the W116 and later W123 > relays... > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This > stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> ?Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something > close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either > leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original > wiring until you find the connection to ground. >> >> Randy >> >> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> So I?m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a > test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which > corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I?m guessing the > ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, > the relay is grounded? Thanks. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: ?Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and > report back. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > ?Dimitri. > The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. > N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure > to > keep them in order. > Simple test for ground. > Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on > battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights > brightly, > the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good > enough to power the relay. > A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will > pass > enough current to work. > If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. > Fred. > > -- > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred > >> >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:50:43 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, > unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. I would guess the ground wire is only grounding the small electronics in the relay so the wire does not need to be much more than 16 gauge. The 12 Volts goes through the relay to the glow plugs and then through the glow plugs directly to engine ground -- which is tied to the chassis with a large braided jumper and does not go through the ground of the relay. It would be a good idea to check the strap grounding the engine to the frame. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I may have missed it, but did you confirm there's actually power at the relay? In other words, put a meter between the (supposed) 12V feed and a ground point such as the engine or negative battery terminal. I don't remember if the W124 relays have a strip fuse like the W116 and later W123 relays... On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > ?Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring until you find the connection to ground. > > Randy > > >> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So I?m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I?m guessing the ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, the relay is grounded? Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >>> >>> ?Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report back. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: ?Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay, unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger. On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Unless, the wire size serves as a fuse, I always believe that bigger > wire is better. > > Randy > > On 09/06/2023 11:28 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > > If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This > stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something > close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either > leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original > wiring until you find the connection to ground. > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> > >>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > >>> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a > test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which > corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the > ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, > the relay is grounded? Thanks. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > > On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: > Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and > report back. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Dimitri. > > The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is > removable. > > N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make > sure to > > keep them in order. > > Simple test for ground. > > Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos > on > > battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights > brightly, > > the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good > > enough to power the relay. > > A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it > will pass > > enough current to work. > > If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. > > Fred. > > > > -- > > Fred Moir > > Lynn MA > > Diesel preferred > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Werner Von Braun "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be doing it." -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
dimitri, et al. My 1987 300TD wiring diagram displays the pre-glow relay ground at W3. Ground, left front wheel-housing (at ignition coil). YMMV Fred. On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 1:25 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks. I saw that but sadly there is no mention of where the gp relay is > grounded. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > https://www.scribd.com/document/459789284/Ground-Locations-of-mercedes-benz-w124 > > > > > > Rick > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Thanks. I saw that but sadly there is no mention of where the gp relay is grounded. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/459789284/Ground-Locations-of-mercedes-benz-w124 > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Unless, the wire size serves as a fuse, I always believe that bigger wire is better. Randy On 09/06/2023 11:28 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring until you find the connection to ground. Randy On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, the relay is grounded? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report back. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I don't recall what year/model this is regarding but the ground points in my car are where the brown wires attach to the chassis. I'd try removing and cleaning any in the vicinity of the relay. They are all probably similarly oxidized, if one is bad the others are probably not far behind. On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, at 11:16, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > It matters in the sense that I don’t want to hack into the original > harness or connector. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close >> by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave >> your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring >> until you find the connection to ground. >> >> Randy >> >> >>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test >>> light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which >>> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the >>> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, >>> the relay is grounded? Thanks. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report back. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dimitri. > The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. > N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to > keep them in order. > Simple test for ground. > Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on > battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, > the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good > enough to power the relay. > A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass > enough current to work. > If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. > Fred. > > -- > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close > by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave > your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring > until you find the connection to ground. > > Randy > > >> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test >> light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which >> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the >> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, >> the relay is grounded? Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >>> >>> Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and >>> report back. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
It matters in the sense that I don’t want to hack into the original harness or connector. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close > by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave > your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring > until you find the connection to ground. > > Randy > > >> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test >> light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which >> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the >> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, >> the relay is grounded? Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >>> >>> Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and >>> report back. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring until you find the connection to ground. Randy On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, the relay is grounded? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report back. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, the relay is grounded? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report > back. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Dimitri. >> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. >> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to >> keep them in order. >> Simple test for ground. >> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on >> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, >> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good >> enough to power the relay. >> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass >> enough current to work. >> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. >> Fred. >> >> -- >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thank you! I like how the bulb brightness will tell me the condition of the connection. I will test tomorrow hopefully. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on >> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, >> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good >> enough to power the relay. >> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass >> enough current to work. > > Exactly. The cheap old-fashioned test light works very very well for > this purpose, and is easy to use. It's a screwdriver-ey looking thing > with an awl point, and an alligator clip wire coming out its ass end. > There is a 1A light bulb in the handle. The brightness of the light tells > you how good a connection you have. (Compare with the brightness > when probing across the car's battery.) The awl point slips easily in to > most sockets. > > The usual MB connectors can be un-shelled, carefully, and individual > wires removed at need. (Typical glow-plug hack: removing the purple > wire from the connector and taping it off. Thus inducing after-glow. > Reduces the life of the glow plugs, but makes for a smoother, less > smoky cold-start idle.) > > Or, remove the shell top and probe the exposed connectors in-circuit. > Just be careful not to misplace any of the contacts! > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report back. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dimitri. > The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. > N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to > keep them in order. > Simple test for ground. > Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on > battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, > the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good > enough to power the relay. > A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass > enough current to work. > If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. > Fred. > > -- > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on > battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, > the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good > enough to power the relay. > A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass > enough current to work. Exactly. The cheap old-fashioned test light works very very well for this purpose, and is easy to use. It's a screwdriver-ey looking thing with an awl point, and an alligator clip wire coming out its ass end. There is a 1A light bulb in the handle. The brightness of the light tells you how good a connection you have. (Compare with the brightness when probing across the car's battery.) The awl point slips easily in to most sockets. The usual MB connectors can be un-shelled, carefully, and individual wires removed at need. (Typical glow-plug hack: removing the purple wire from the connector and taping it off. Thus inducing after-glow. Reduces the life of the glow plugs, but makes for a smoother, less smoky cold-start idle.) Or, remove the shell top and probe the exposed connectors in-circuit. Just be careful not to misplace any of the contacts! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow plug relay
Dimitri. The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable. N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to keep them in order. Simple test for ground. Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly, the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good enough to power the relay. A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass enough current to work. If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise. Fred. -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What 2 pins on glow plug relay do you jump to activate the relay? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Depends on which car I guess... On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What 2 pins on glow plug relay do you jump to activate the relay? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Terminal fifteen (red/black wire) to power. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jul 19, 2014 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: A 617 car Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on which car I guess... On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What 2 pins on glow plug relay do you jump to activate the relay? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Glow plug relay
This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can it be a fuse if the light comes on? I recall diuscssioon that if the light comes on after starting it is one plug? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You can check to see if the relay is working, just put a meter on a glow plug and see if it is being energized (or voltized I guess). But yeah, you might want to think about glow plugs too. And the fuse CHECK YOUR FUSES! --R On 12/17/13 1:11 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I do have block heater but only snow covered driveway for work space. . Good news is that temps not forecast to go below 25F for next two weeks so it will start. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dwight Giles wrote: Yes i am going to change them all. My father taught me not to change 1 spark plug or 1 belt. Have fun getting them out. Maybe soak them in Liquid Wrench or Kroil or acetone/ATF now and try to remove them this weekend. Got block heater? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dwight Giles wrote: I do have block heater but only snow covered driveway for work space. . All the more reason to give those things a daily soaking until you can remove them. Is this where Dr Booth recommended a Snap-On swivel socket? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It is an OM602 in a 124. On Dec 17, 2013 3:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Since it is a what? OM603? Yes, 12 mm Deep swivel socket. I use a plain deep socket with a couple of the HF 1/4 wobble extensions. My pockets don't allow snappy to enter them. Easiest way is to remove th intake manifold. Order a manifold gasket with the plugs. A long 6mm balldriver allen socket helps a lot for this. I did break down and buy one of them form snappy as one OM603 i had the manifold was put on with a truck rattle wrench and locktite. Dwight Giles wrote: I do have block heater but only snow covered driveway for work space. . All the more reason to give those things a daily soaking until you can remove them. Is this where Dr Booth recommended a Snap-On swivel socket? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Aye aye captain. AFAIK they are the original plugs at 230k. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Dwight. Checketh thou the plugs that glow! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my god! i used to change glow plugs every year or two On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Aye aye captain. AFAIK they are the original plugs at 230k. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Dwight. Checketh thou the plugs that glow! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dwight. Checketh thou the plugs that glow! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Since it is a what? OM603? Yes, 12 mm Deep swivel socket. I use a plain deep socket with a couple of the HF 1/4 wobble extensions. My pockets don't allow snappy to enter them. Easiest way is to remove th intake manifold. Order a manifold gasket with the plugs. A long 6mm balldriver allen socket helps a lot for this. I did break down and buy one of them form snappy as one OM603 i had the manifold was put on with a truck rattle wrench and locktite. Dwight Giles wrote: I do have block heater but only snow covered driveway for work space. . All the more reason to give those things a daily soaking until you can remove them. Is this where Dr Booth recommended a Snap-On swivel socket? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok thanks that is what I recalled. On Dec 17, 2013 1:56 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 1 or 2 bad glow plugs. The light coming on after glow does indeed indicate a bad glow plug. no light indicates 2 or more bad GPs. Can it be a fuse if the light comes on? I recall diuscssioon that if the light comes on after starting it is one plug? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1 or 2 bad glow plugs. The light coming on after glow does indeed indicate a bad glow plug. no light indicates 2 or more bad GPs. Can it be a fuse if the light comes on? I recall diuscssioon that if the light comes on after starting it is one plug? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
You can check to see if the relay is working, just put a meter on a glow plug and see if it is being energized (or voltized I guess). But yeah, you might want to think about glow plugs too. And the fuse CHECK YOUR FUSES! --R On 12/17/13 1:11 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes i am going to change them all. My father taught me not to change 1 spark plug or 1 belt. On Dec 17, 2013 2:36 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: my god! i used to change glow plugs every year or two On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Aye aye captain. AFAIK they are the original plugs at 230k. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Dwight. Checketh thou the plugs that glow! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay This morning in my 90 300D the glow plug light came on after i started the car, then it didn't come on when I tried to glow again. Happened 2 more times. Has been starting hard and running rough last couple cold weeks. Is that relay problem or time to do glow plugs after 200k+ miles? Thanks. Dwight 90 300D 82 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 17, 2013 12:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Easiest way is to remove th intake manifold. It can be done on a 603 with the intake in place, but you need a full kit of 1/4 extensions and swivels, nerves of steel, and hands like a raccoon. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dwight Giles wrote: Yes i am going to change them all. My father taught me not to change 1 spark plug or 1 belt. Have fun getting them out. Maybe soak them in Liquid Wrench or Kroil or acetone/ATF now and try to remove them this weekend. Got block heater? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And one of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. Now, anybody have another, proper name for it? Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay On Dec 17, 2013 12:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Easiest way is to remove th intake manifold. It can be done on a 603 with the intake in place, but you need a full kit of 1/4 extensions and swivels, nerves of steel, and hands like a raccoon. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grabber. I use a telescoping magnet. And one of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. Now, anybody have another, proper name for it? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have both. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Grabber. I use a telescoping magnet. And one of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. Now, anybody have another, proper name for it? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, for when what you're trying to grab is not ferrous enough, and with my grabber, I can turn the glow plugs a bit to get 'em started on the threads - well, sometimes, anyway. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay I have both. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Grabber. I use a telescoping magnet. And one of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. Now, anybody have another, proper name for it? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton,et al. One of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. is the correct definition. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay And one of those long, thin, hypodermic needle-looking swivel thingies with the four little, spring-loaded grippers on the business end. Now, anybody have another, proper name for it? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Yep, for when what you're trying to grab is not ferrous enough, and with my grabber, I can turn the glow plugs a bit to get 'em started on the threads - well, sometimes, anyway. A piece of rubber hose works to start spark plugs. Should work for glow plugs too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question
10-4. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question looks good to me Robert Rentfro wrote: Most everyone has these for $188 or so. This dude has this: http://tinyurl.com/5rywph Bargin or red flag? The part number is exactly what I need. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question
Without the part or Bosch number it's a cr*p shoot. Looks like a seat belt warning buzzer relay to me, On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10-4. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question looks good to me Robert Rentfro wrote: Most everyone has these for $188 or so. This dude has this: http://tinyurl.com/5rywph Bargin or red flag? The part number is exactly what I need. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question
Most everyone has these for $188 or so. This dude has this: http://tinyurl.com/5rywph Bargin or red flag? The part number is exactly what I need. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Relay eBay Question
looks good to me Robert Rentfro wrote: Most everyone has these for $188 or so. This dude has this: http://tinyurl.com/5rywph Bargin or red flag? The part number is exactly what I need. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I went out this morning to get Brunnhilde running, jiggled and manipulated the GPR, could feel it clicking when I turned the key, after a couple of squeezings of the connector, she fired up fine. I guess the connector had just come loose and wasn't juicing the GPs. It is a silver box attached to the steering column, there are a couple of other similar-looking silver boxes to the left, not sure what they do. Thanks for the info from all! BTW, a transporter is coming tomorrow to load the Benz and the Eldo for transport to SC. I had a service arranged to pick them up today or tomorrow (All American Auto Transport), the guy called me Monday and said he would be there in 10 minutes. That was an issue as I was not anywhere near there as the AAAT agent apparently told him they were to be delivered today or tomorrow, not picked up. So anyway, I found another transport company through my movers, BJ Interstate Auto Transport run by a woman named Beverly ( the BJ of the company name), and in about 2 hours she had organized a pickup for tomorrow morning by a guy who hauls Shelby(ie?)s around a lot, and other fancy rides. Great service. This AAAT has all kinds of bad experiences, should have done some research, now I have to try to get my deposit back, sigh. --R Jim Cathey wrote: I believe the 2 silver boxes are the GPR and the CC Amp. IIRC, the CC Amp is attached to the steering column while the GPR is not. (I hope that's correct) The other easy way to tell is look for the one with wires on it that can take 60A of current. (The CC amp does not have this.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I believe the 2 silver boxes are the GPR and the CC Amp. IIRC, the CC Amp is attached to the steering column while the GPR is not. (I hope that's correct) HTHs Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay The clue is in my email From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] but Brunnhilde is a 79 300TD. This appears to be catastrophic failure. Car was starting fine, go out the other morning, no glowee, no startee. Glow plug fuse OK, no voltage to it. Looking through the maint manual it appears it must be the relay. The manual tells me how to check it out, but not which of those boxes below the dash it is. I am assuming it is one of the silver metal boxes, but there are two, and a couple of black plastic ones. If I knew which it was I can go check it without having to take them all out to see. --R LarryT wrote: For those of us who don't have Brunnhilde's measurements committed to memory, what kind of MB might she be? The W123s have their GPR under the dash next to the steering column, others (like the W124) have them on the inner fender in the engine comp -- not sure about S class cars - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay Brunnhilde is dim, fuse is OK, does not look like volts getting to it though, so suggests glow plug relay? Which of those little boxes is the GP relay (under the dash I am assuming)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I believe the 2 silver boxes are the GPR and the CC Amp. IIRC, the CC Amp is attached to the steering column while the GPR is not. (I hope that's correct) The other easy way to tell is look for the one with wires on it that can take 60A of current. (The CC amp does not have this.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
For those of us who don't have Brunnhilde's measurements committed to memory, what kind of MB might she be? The W123s have their GPR under the dash next to the steering column, others (like the W124) have them on the inner fender in the engine comp -- not sure about S class cars - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay Brunnhilde is dim, fuse is OK, does not look like volts getting to it though, so suggests glow plug relay? Which of those little boxes is the GP relay (under the dash I am assuming)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
The W123s have their GPR under the dash next to the steering column, The _early_ series-plug 123's. The later parallel plug systems have it on the fender. others (like the W124) have them on the inner fender in the engine comp -- not sure about S class cars - Same place. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
The clue is in my email From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] but Brunnhilde is a 79 300TD. This appears to be catastrophic failure. Car was starting fine, go out the other morning, no glowee, no startee. Glow plug fuse OK, no voltage to it. Looking through the maint manual it appears it must be the relay. The manual tells me how to check it out, but not which of those boxes below the dash it is. I am assuming it is one of the silver metal boxes, but there are two, and a couple of black plastic ones. If I knew which it was I can go check it without having to take them all out to see. --R LarryT wrote: For those of us who don't have Brunnhilde's measurements committed to memory, what kind of MB might she be? The W123s have their GPR under the dash next to the steering column, others (like the W124) have them on the inner fender in the engine comp -- not sure about S class cars - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow plug relay Brunnhilde is dim, fuse is OK, does not look like volts getting to it though, so suggests glow plug relay? Which of those little boxes is the GP relay (under the dash I am assuming)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Glow plug fuse OK, no voltage to it. The fuse is only separate from the relay itself on the early series plug systems, where the relay is right under the steering column. It's a big fat silver sucker, and has a very heavy wire coming off it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
I gotta go deal with that today, the realtor photo person is coming to take piccies of the house, for some reason the realtor was really averse to having Brunnhilde sitting out front and being in the piccies. She made me move my old Caddy out of the driveway too, That won't look good to potential buyers. Fortunately the rent house across the street is vacant for a couple more weeks, so Elwood is gracing that driveway. WTF is this world coming to? --R Jim Cathey wrote: Glow plug fuse OK, no voltage to it. The fuse is only separate from the relay itself on the early series plug systems, where the relay is right under the steering column. It's a big fat silver sucker, and has a very heavy wire coming off it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow plug relay
Brunnhilde is dim, fuse is OK, does not look like volts getting to it though, so suggests glow plug relay? Which of those little boxes is the GP relay (under the dash I am assuming)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay
Brunnhilde is dim, fuse is OK, does not look like volts getting to it though, so suggests glow plug relay? Which of those little boxes is the GP relay (under the dash I am assuming)? Most were not under the dash. Only the early key-start versions of cars that had pull knobs. Series-plug cars, in other words. Those are big boxes right under the steering column. The parallel plug systems have their relays on the inside fender. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
