[MBZ] Group IV Synthetic (Was: Re: Block Heater)

2006-12-07 Thread David Brodbeck
Marshall Booth wrote:
 Group IV or IV/V synthetic oil (all the Mobil 1 oils are IV or IV/V 
 mixes) will increase cold cranking speed by 30-50% and low minimum start 
 temp by about 10 degrees (or a bit more) other things equal.
   

Marshall, I'm curious if you've heard any of the rumors that Mobil 1 has
quietly switched to a group III synthetic.  It's been making the rounds
on another message board I'm on.




Re: [MBZ] Group IV Synthetic (Was: Re: Block Heater)

2006-12-07 Thread Marshall Booth

David Brodbeck wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:
Group IV or IV/V synthetic oil (all the Mobil 1 oils are IV or IV/V 
mixes) will increase cold cranking speed by 30-50% and low minimum start 
temp by about 10 degrees (or a bit more) other things equal.
  


Marshall, I'm curious if you've heard any of the rumors that Mobil 1 has
quietly switched to a group III synthetic.  It's been making the rounds
on another message board I'm on.


There have been rumors that Mobil 1 has be switched to group III oils 
every year for almost 20 years. I expect that most of those rumors were 
started by people that made their living selling group III synthetics. 
It hasn't happened as of the last time I checked (about 4 months ago). 
All if the Mobil 1 Extended formulas are mixtures of group IV/V oils. As 
 are the 5W-40 formulas. The formulas for the older Mobil 1 varieties 
are th3e same as they have been for years. Some of the lesser varieties 
of Mobil oils may contain group I, II or III oils - I have paid NO 
attention to them.


Marshall
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Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [MBZ] Group IV Synthetic (Was: Re: Block Heater)

2006-12-07 Thread David Brodbeck
Marshall Booth wrote:
 There have been rumors that Mobil 1 has be switched to group III oils 
 every year for almost 20 years. I expect that most of those rumors were 
 started by people that made their living selling group III synthetics. 
 It hasn't happened as of the last time I checked (about 4 months ago). 
 All if the Mobil 1 Extended formulas are mixtures of group IV/V oils.

After digging a bit and tracing links back through a couple of different
forums, I found this, which seems to be the origin of the rumor:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0Number=749606page=2fpart=1vc=1

Just shot some M1 EP 15W-50 into the Gas Chromatograph and was
surprised to find it based mostly on mineral oil (presumably Group III)
plus a good slug of AN. It may also contain a small amount of PAO, but
so small that I can't be certain.