Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-20 Thread John W. Reames III
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Joe Knight wrote:

 Don't fret too much Peter.  I pulled the head from mine with a chain
 winch suspended from a bit less than 8' ceiling in a too small garage.
  Came out all right with the turbo  exhaust manifold attached even
 though I didn't have the winch very well positioned.  Kinda resist the
 temptation to put the head back on with those bits detached.  I did

I used a 2x4 with a helper as a lift to pull the head off a 617. I 
believe that I pulled off the manifolds first to make things lighter. I 
got some all-thread of the proper type and cut a couple of alignment pins 
out of it (make sure they are a couple inches longer than the longest head 
bolt!)  Oh yeah its a good opportunity to clean out your manifold!

The WORST part was threading the T/C oil feed line back into the oil 
filter housing!

-j.





[MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Finally got to changing the head gasket on the 87 300D today, in hopes 
that a new gasket will cure the oil collecting in the coolant tank 
problem and that I won't discover a cracked head (yes, its a 14 head, 
probably the original with 262,000 miles now).


Between tracking down my engine hoist (never store your stuff at 
someone else's barn.) and a torpedo heater (9 F last night), we 
didn't get started anywhere near as early as I'd have liked, and I 
really don't want to do this job anyway.


No major problems until we finally got to removing the head bolts, and 
found four that weren't really tight (between #4 and #5 cylinders -- #4 
was low on compression with a terrible knock that turned out to be 
badly installed pressure valve holder seals when I got the car some 
years back.  Then, the last bolt on the left side broke off at the 
start of the threads.


So the car is sitting at my buddy's barn in bits, head still on, and 
I'm going shopping tomorrow for head bolts, a new belt, some jounce 
bumpers for the front struts, and probably some things I've not found 
yet.


Never rains but it pours, I guess.

Any suggestions on getting the black goo out of the cooling system?  
Upper radiator hose and heater hoses seem to be full of it, along with 
the expansion tank..


Peter




Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Want to do another one after you finish yours?

Mine's been leaking the last 150,000 miles.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

 
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Subject: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

Finally got to changing the head gasket on the 87 300D today, in hopes that
a new gasket will cure the oil collecting in the coolant tank problem and
that I won't discover a cracked head (yes, its a 14 head, probably the
original with 262,000 miles now).

Between tracking down my engine hoist (never store your stuff at someone
else's barn.) and a torpedo heater (9 F last night), we didn't get
started anywhere near as early as I'd have liked, and I really don't want to
do this job anyway.

No major problems until we finally got to removing the head bolts, and found
four that weren't really tight (between #4 and #5 cylinders -- #4 was low on
compression with a terrible knock that turned out to be badly installed
pressure valve holder seals when I got the car some years back.  Then, the
last bolt on the left side broke off at the start of the threads.

So the car is sitting at my buddy's barn in bits, head still on, and I'm
going shopping tomorrow for head bolts, a new belt, some jounce bumpers for
the front struts, and probably some things I've not found yet.

Never rains but it pours, I guess.

Any suggestions on getting the black goo out of the cooling system?  
Upper radiator hose and heater hoses seem to be full of it, along with the
expansion tank..

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-19 Thread Peter Frederick

Whoo, I think this one will be enough for me for a while!

My hands are gonna ache for days as it is, and I'm less than half done!

Peter




Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-19 Thread Joe Knight

Don't fret too much Peter.  I pulled the head from mine with a chain
winch suspended from a bit less than 8' ceiling in a too small garage.
Came out all right with the turbo  exhaust manifold attached even
though I didn't have the winch very well positioned.  Kinda resist the
temptation to put the head back on with those bits detached.  I did
that just to save myself the aggravation of positioning that big chunk
over the block, but I'm here to state that while all those bits can be
reassembled with the head installed that it's not exactly an exercise
you'll want to remember.  I did apply a thin smear of Hylomar HPF to
the new gasket and so far no leaks that I've been able to find but
then it's only got ~150mi on it as yet.

Oh yeah, and absolutely no residual cooling system pressure (fingers
well crossed)

After it's got a few more miles on it I'll hook up the forced open
t'stat and the flushing connection to the top hose and give it a
Cascade enema.  But that's just for oil; dunno about other forms of
black goo.

-joe



Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

2007-02-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
I understand - that's why I've not done mine yet. My head gasket started
leaking 3.5 years ago, I put stuff in to keep it sealed  decided that I'd
fix it when it gets worse. 150,000 miles later and the symptoms are covered
up as long as I keep stuff in the radiator. Maybe it will get bad enough one
day for me to pull the head.. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

 
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From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun

Whoo, I think this one will be enough for me for a while!

My hands are gonna ache for days as it is, and I'm less than half done!

Peter