Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Speaking of the right tools, I still haven't done a thing about the worn out 
wheel bearing on the ML, aside from buying a couple of new bearings. 

Here's the right tool, anybody want to get it for me for Christmas?
http://www.autotoolworld.com/Sir-Tools-B90-M-B90-M-Rear-Wheel-Bearing-Kit-for-Mercedes_p_172728.html

It looks like with an hour or two, some angle iron, a plasma cutter, some nuts 
and threaded rod, and a welder, I could make something functional enough for 
occasional use.

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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm with Rick, the right tool for the job makes big things no big deal. This is 
why Curley is scared of modern cars, he refuses to buy the right tools. 
Troubleshooting an electronic component that tells you whats wrong is easier 
and more practical than shotgunning parts at mechanical systems.
He's promised the computer in my 19 year old Jetta is going to fail but it 
hasn't yet. Even if it does replacements are readily available...
-Curt
 

On Saturday, December 23, 2017, 12:41:17 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curley sez:

>my mindset was always to NOT buy >special tools, but to develop some 
>>workaround.

I'm just the opposite. I mean, sure, if I can fabricate a tool to work, cool, 
but I don't need much of an excuse to buy a new tool. The tools at Baum's seem 
pricey though.

Rick
Who isn't going to rig a device for coil springs on a Benz, or ball joints, 
or...
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley sez:

>my mindset was always to NOT buy >special tools, but to develop some 
>>workaround.

I'm just the opposite. I mean, sure, if I can fabricate a tool to work, cool, 
but I don't need much of an excuse to buy a new tool. The tools at Baum's seem 
pricey though.

Rick
Who isn't going to rig a device for coil springs on a Benz, or ball joints, 
or...
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My memory is starting to  come back about this awful job.  I think in 
lieu of the hook tool I made a loop of 18-20 ga wire to pull on.  Then 
after the *#@&$!!! blasted spring was hooked, I cut the wire off.


I CAN see where the hook tool could be useful.   my mindset was always 
to NOT buy special tools, but to develop some workaround.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 23, 2017 at 10:06 AM
http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1120961-brake-spring-installer-p-625.html

http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1160162-parking-brake-spring-hook-p-626.html





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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[MG via Mercedes]

If I remember, It's been a long time since I did mine, The 61 00 
tool is just a hook so any good strong hook tool will work. The 
other one is a bit different. It has to push down on the small 
coil spring and then turn it to disengage and later engage the 
hook in the back plate. I seem to remember finding the right size 
philips screwdriver so the point would fit part way into the top 
of the spring and one of the crosscuts engaged the hook rod that 
goes through the middle of the spring. Then you can push and turn 
the spring. Access is of course through a lug bolt hole in the 
flange. It all makes sense when you get a look at one of those 
springs.


Too small a screwdriver and it slides past the bent rod and gets 
stuck in the spring without compressing it and too large and it 
won't stay in the top of the spring or turn the spring.


I guess you could also make a tool by taking a flat screwdriver 
and grinding the blade off at each side of the front blade edge 
leaving a center piece that fits into the spring and the 
shoulders sit on the top edge of the spring to push with. Kind of 
like the quick and dirty pic attached.


MG

Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Is there a MB Tool?  I looked at 43-0530 which call for 2 spring tools: 
112 589 09 61 00 and 116 589 01 62 00 - I know next to nothing about 
Special MB Tools but perhaps someone has some info?


Good luck!

Larry


On 12/23/2017 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed.  i tried lots of 
things, but nothing worked.  It took a lot of time.  I could not find 
any way to do it that seemed reasonable.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM
I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the end 
of the spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force. 
I tried to figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw 
driver, but failed.


I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.



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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There is a trick to getting them back on easily, but I can't describe it. 

The job is a royal pain without the correct tool.  Takes a stout hook to pull 
the spring on if you do it that way, but I seem to remember prying the shoe 
over something with the spring in place.  Been too long, don't remember.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The Amazon link I sent has both of those tools for $30 + shipping.
-- 
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'95 E300

On December 23, 2017 11:06:03 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1120961-brake-spring-installer-p-625.html
>
>http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1160162-parking-brake-spring-hook-p-626.html
>
>
>> On Dec 23, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a MB Tool?  I looked at 43-0530 which call for 2 spring
>tools: 112 589 09 61 00 and 116 589 01 62 00 - I know next to nothing
>about Special MB Tools but perhaps someone has some info?
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/23/2017 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed.  i tried lots
>of things, but nothing worked.  It took a lot of time.  I could not
>find any way to do it that seemed reasonable.
>>> 
 Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM
 I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the
>end of the spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute
>force. I tried to figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw
>driver, but failed.
 
 I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1120961-brake-spring-installer-p-625.html

http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1160162-parking-brake-spring-hook-p-626.html


> On Dec 23, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there a MB Tool?  I looked at 43-0530 which call for 2 spring tools: 112 
> 589 09 61 00 and 116 589 01 62 00 - I know next to nothing about Special MB 
> Tools but perhaps someone has some info?
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> On 12/23/2017 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed.  i tried lots of 
>> things, but nothing worked.  It took a lot of time.  I could not find any 
>> way to do it that seemed reasonable.
>> 
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM
>>> I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the end of the 
>>> spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force. I tried to 
>>> figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw driver, but failed.
>>> 
>>> I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Is there a MB Tool?  I looked at 43-0530 which call for 2 spring tools: 
112 589 09 61 00 and 116 589 01 62 00 - I know next to nothing about 
Special MB Tools but perhaps someone has some info?


Good luck!

Larry


On 12/23/2017 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed.  i tried lots of 
things, but nothing worked.  It took a lot of time.  I could not find 
any way to do it that seemed reasonable.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM
I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the end 
of the spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force. 
I tried to figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw 
driver, but failed.


I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.



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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed.  i tried lots of 
things, but nothing worked.  It took a lot of time.  I could not find 
any way to do it that seemed reasonable.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM
I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the end 
of the spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force. I 
tried to figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw driver, 
but failed.


I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.



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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Here is a picture of the hooked tool.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MTEUCQO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514034549&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=Parking+brake+hook+tool&dpPl=1&dpID=319qHxRPf7L&ref=plSrch


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On December 22, 2017 10:34:12 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I am in the process of re-doing the brakes on our '90 E300D.
>
>The front brakes are done (new disks, new sliding pin seals, new
>Akebono
>pads).
>
>I have started the rear brakes. On one side I have taken everything
>apart
>and am trying to put the parking brake assembly back together with new
>shoes. It has been a difficult job!
>
>Anyone have any suggestions on how to make it easier?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll second the vice grips recommendation.  I think I clamped the end of the 
spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force.  I tried to 
figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw driver, but failed.

I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is helpful to have new springs and small parts.  At best they are a 
royal pain.  I don't know of any easy way, but I have ruined springs and 
lost small parts trying to put them back together.  It is a job I avoid 
at all costs.


 original vicegrips are a necessity.  Chinee fake vicegrips are likely 
to not hold the springs while trying to put things together.


Wear mechanics gloves or better to save your fingers and knuckles.


Craig via Mercedes 
December 22, 2017 at 9:34 PM
I am in the process of re-doing the brakes on our '90 E300D.

The front brakes are done (new disks, new sliding pin seals, new Akebono
pads).

I have started the rear brakes. On one side I have taken everything apart
and am trying to put the parking brake assembly back together with new
shoes. It has been a difficult job!

Anyone have any suggestions on how to make it easier?

Thanks,


Craig


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[MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

[Craig via Mercedes]

I am in the process of re-doing the brakes on our '90 E300D.

The front brakes are done (new disks, new sliding pin seals, new Akebono
pads).

I have started the rear brakes. On one side I have taken everything apart
and am trying to put the parking brake assembly back together with new
shoes. It has been a difficult job!

Anyone have any suggestions on how to make it easier?

Thanks,


Craig

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