Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
You should drive a truck - I know of two men for sure here who carry a 55 gal. drum in the back of their pick-up to the 100LL pump at KHSD (Sundance airport in OKC) and fill it up. They then drive it here an fill up their aircraft. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM, WILTON wrote: > 'Can't even get that close in most cars any more. ;<) -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
I guess road tax on ethonol is lower than liquor tax? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:35 PM, G Mann wrote: > Did you know, to make ethanol, you have to have an actual whiskey license? > > Legal and all.. Really yer honor.. all them dang mason jars in my trunk is > just fuel fer ma car.. > > Grant... > > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Corn based ethanol might be among the stupidest decisions ever made... Doubtful. It, at least, is reversible. Now socialized _anything_ is generally _not_ reversible! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
I went up to the welding shop a coupla years ago and there was this cone-shaped stainless steel thing about 16" diameter with a pipe fitting welded into the top tip of the cone. I asked the welder who brought that in, and he just said "some guy." So I said man that looks like the top of a still and he said "I don't know what it is." Plenty o' shine around my island though, some of it ain't too shabby. Nobody talking but plenty have it. Imagine that. --R On 8/16/13 4:35 PM, G Mann wrote: All this damn ethanol stuff has sure cut into the corn whiskey moonshine business. Did you know, to make ethanol, you have to have an actual whiskey license? Legal and all.. Really yer honor.. all them dang mason jars in my trunk is just fuel fer ma car.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All this damn ethanol stuff has sure cut into the corn whiskey moonshine business. Did you know, to make ethanol, you have to have an actual whiskey license? Legal and all.. Really yer honor.. all them dang mason jars in my trunk is just fuel fer ma car.. Grant... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Incorrect, I'm anti-stupid. By the same token I'm anti-ethanol which seems > like the most pointless gas additive ever. Adding ethanol to fuel was a > political anti-science decision pushed largely by the corn lobby. Corn > based ethanol might be among the stupidest decisions ever made... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:37:09 -0400 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Curt, you are SO politically incorrect. You are supposed to demonize any > fuel that isn't petroleum-based. I love it. > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... > > > > People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of > using > > a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas > cap. > > > > My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets > > snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in > the > > tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the > carbs > > and they're good to go. > > > > -Curt > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
'Can't even get that close in most cars any more. ;<) BTW, one of the cars we (3 children SWMBO and I) enjoyed most was our '64 Karman Ghia - short drives, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw I dunno Wilton, I like driving on a cool evening with the roof open, stars shining, my girl by my side... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:42:40 -0400 From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Along there with cutting a big, rectangular hole in a perfectly good steel top on a car. ;<) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Wonder if the pump computer knows type of fuel the "numbers" take? Would it let a "jet-fuel" number have avgas? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Fmiser wrote: I'm reluctant to mess with what works - but I'm thinking I should at least check the price of 100LL at the airport. Using it for the 2-strokes wouldn't be too rough on the budget as even during saw season I use less than 10 gallons. I've been unable to find anybody willing to sell me Avgas without dispensing it directly into an aircraft. However, the local municipal strip is open 24/7 but only has employees about 40 hours a week. Evenings/weekends one could walk up to a pump with a credit card and a 5 gallon can. The pump here wants my N-number typed into it. I suppose I could use one of the Air Force One tail numbers... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
I dunno Wilton, I like driving on a cool evening with the roof open, stars shining, my girl by my side... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:42:40 -0400 From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Along there with cutting a big, rectangular hole in a perfectly good steel top on a car. ;<) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: I'm reluctant to mess with what works - but I'm thinking I should at least check the price of 100LL at the airport. Using it for the 2-strokes wouldn't be too rough on the budget as even during saw season I use less than 10 gallons. I've been unable to find anybody willing to sell me Avgas without dispensing it directly into an aircraft. However, the local municipal strip is open 24/7 but only has employees about 40 hours a week. Evenings/weekends one could walk up to a pump with a credit card and a 5 gallon can. The pump here wants my N-number typed into it. I suppose I could use one of the Air Force One tail numbers... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Dieselhead wrote: > > Really people, before ethanol was regularly blended into > gasoline, people had to pour alcohol into the gasoline to > disperse water in the gas tank. I'll say it again. I have been using 10% ethanol since prior to 1990. Deliberately - as in I look for and choose the pump with the ethanol label. It significantly decreased carburetor maintenance on my cars. I run it in all my small engines too. I do use Seafoam in the 2-stroke mix. My carburetors are still doing fine. The engines start with a couple pulls. I tend to tweak the 2-stroke mixture screws when there is a big change in the weather. Otherwise, they all run fine and work hard. I'm reluctant to mess with what works - but I'm thinking I should at least check the price of 100LL at the airport. Using it for the 2-strokes wouldn't be too rough on the budget as even during saw season I use less than 10 gallons. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Maybe so. But the issue is a "rubberized" diaphragm that was produced before the gasohol mandate and which becomes too rigid after years of immersion in fuel mix. It has nothing to do with dirt or gum or varnish. Maybe this would happen anyway with pure gas. But it's not unreasonable to suspect that a material developed for use with one fuel reacted badly to a different fuel. Particularly when we know that alcohol causes some polymers to deteriorate. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw > I suspect >this is a casualty of the gasohol we are forced to use. Or the crappy gasoline, or dirt, or water because ethanol blend was no used. Really people, before ethanol was regularly blended into gasoline, people had to pour alcohol into the gasoline to disperse water in the gas tank. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Along there with cutting a big, rectangular hole in a perfectly good steel top on a car. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Incorrect, I'm anti-stupid. By the same token I'm anti-ethanol which seems like the most pointless gas additive ever. Adding ethanol to fuel was a political anti-science decision pushed largely by the corn lobby. Corn based ethanol might be among the stupidest decisions ever made... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:37:09 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, you are SO politically incorrect. You are supposed to demonize any fuel that isn't petroleum-based. I love it. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of using a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas cap. My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in the tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the carbs and they're good to go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Yes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Incorrect, I'm anti-stupid. By the same token I'm anti-ethanol which seems > like the most pointless gas additive ever. Adding ethanol to fuel was a > political anti-science decision pushed largely by the corn lobby. Corn based > ethanol might be among the stupidest decisions ever made... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:37:09 -0400 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Curt, you are SO politically incorrect. You are supposed to demonize any > fuel that isn't petroleum-based. I love it. > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... >> >> People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of using >> a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas cap. >> >> My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets >> snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in the >> tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the carbs >> and they're good to go. >> >> -Curt > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Incorrect, I'm anti-stupid. By the same token I'm anti-ethanol which seems like the most pointless gas additive ever. Adding ethanol to fuel was a political anti-science decision pushed largely by the corn lobby. Corn based ethanol might be among the stupidest decisions ever made... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:37:09 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, you are SO politically incorrect. You are supposed to demonize any fuel that isn't petroleum-based. I love it. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... > > People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of using > a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas cap. > > My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets > snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in the > tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the carbs > and they're good to go. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Curt, you are SO politically incorrect. You are supposed to demonize any fuel that isn't petroleum-based. I love it. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... > > People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of using > a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas cap. > > My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets > snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in the > tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the carbs > and they're good to go. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:21:51 -0500 > From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > I suspect > >this is a casualty of the gasohol we are forced to use. > > Or the crappy gasoline, or dirt, or water because ethanol blend was no > used. > > Really people, before ethanol was regularly blended into gasoline, > people had to pour alcohol into the gasoline to disperse water in the > gas tank. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Too right, you can't blame ethanol for dirt in the gas... People love to blame ethanol for their lousy cleanliness and lack of using a fuel stabilizer and for leaving equipment outside with a vented gas cap. My buddy who owns the snowmobile shop LOVES vented fuel caps. He gets snowmobiles in that have sat out in the rain and have big ice cubes in the tank. Let them warm up and drain the water out of the tank, clean the carbs and they're good to go. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:21:51 -0500 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > I suspect >this is a casualty of the gasohol we are forced to use. Or the crappy gasoline, or dirt, or water because ethanol blend was no used. Really people, before ethanol was regularly blended into gasoline, people had to pour alcohol into the gasoline to disperse water in the gas tank. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
I suspect this is a casualty of the gasohol we are forced to use. Or the crappy gasoline, or dirt, or water because ethanol blend was no used. Really people, before ethanol was regularly blended into gasoline, people had to pour alcohol into the gasoline to disperse water in the gas tank. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
For what it's worth, it seems ALL of these 2-cycle engines use Zama or Walbro carburetors. I planned to rebuild the carb on my Poulan Pro leaf blower but the kit was $12 and a whole new carb was just $23 (guess which one I ordered). My blower got to the point the choke needed to be part-way on for the engine to run. This is a symptom of a stiff lower diaphragm (the one that works the needle valve) in the carb (Zama, by the way). I suspect this is a casualty of the gasohol we are forced to use. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Hans Neureiter Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Husqvarna bought Poulan On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Well as you know I took pack the pos poulan 18 and got another pos poulan > 20 50cc. Looking at it at the store I could tell it was much better kwality > than the other poulan, in fact looked like a husky except for the color and > label. Anyway, filled it up with oil and gas and holy mother that thing > fired right up and just tore up that tree. Took me about 15 min to cut it > up. Never died, idled right. Half a pull warm and it fires right up. Night > and day difference. I am convinced its really a husky but whatever the case > may be, it's a world apart from the last one. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
Husqvarna bought Poulan On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Well as you know I took pack the pos poulan 18 and got another pos poulan > 20 50cc. Looking at it at the store I could tell it was much better kwality > than the other poulan, in fact looked like a husky except for the color and > label. Anyway, filled it up with oil and gas and holy mother that thing > fired right up and just tore up that tree. Took me about 15 min to cut it > up. Never died, idled right. Half a pull warm and it fires right up. Night > and day difference. I am convinced its really a husky but whatever the case > may be, it's a world apart from the last one. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How I beat the saw
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] How I beat the saw Well as you know I took pack the pos poulan 18 and got another pos poulan 20 50cc. Looking at it at the store I could tell it was much better kwality than the other poulan, in fact looked like a husky except for the color and label. Anyway, filled it up with oil and gas and holy mother that thing fired right up and just tore up that tree. Took me about 15 min to cut it up. Never died, idled right. Half a pull warm and it fires right up. Night and day difference. I am convinced its really a husky but whatever the case may be, it's a world apart from the last one. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How I beat the saw
Well as you know I took pack the pos poulan 18 and got another pos poulan 20 50cc. Looking at it at the store I could tell it was much better kwality than the other poulan, in fact looked like a husky except for the color and label. Anyway, filled it up with oil and gas and holy mother that thing fired right up and just tore up that tree. Took me about 15 min to cut it up. Never died, idled right. Half a pull warm and it fires right up. Night and day difference. I am convinced its really a husky but whatever the case may be, it's a world apart from the last one. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
