Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. I think a big red Emergency shutoff pushbutton switch should be mounted in the center of the steering wheel of those POS fly by wire vehicles. Another reason I don't want a toada. If I owned one of those, I'd put an emergency shutoff push and lock switch within easy reach. Dirtbikes used to have a bracelet you wore. If you left the bike, the bracelet pulled a pin and that killed the ignition. Too bad all these programmer geniuses in the auto industry can't think of a similar system. If they ever do, it will be overcomplicated, and cost $1832 per car. It ought to cost under $10 and be simple. Funny they gummit makes filling stations have an emergency shutoff, but a 4000 lb missile flying under fly by wire needs no safety. Every industrial machine has to have an emergency shutoff and a manual disconnect within easy reach, or requires two hands in position before the drive will engage, and while the machine is operating, but not even a 25¢ switch for cars. If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. Relays are trouble points too, don't forget. I think the traditional keyswitch _is_ all that is necessary if the hybrid's electric motor is brushless. All you have to kill is the power to the gate sequencer and that motor is _not_ going to turn. (There would need to be some attention to failure-proofing the design, so that, say, a shorted collector-to-gate motor IGBT didn't back-feed power into the gate driver, which might make it to the driver board's Vcc via protection diodes or the like. Board could thus stay powered through the defective motor driver, and your fail-safe key switch isn't so fail-safe anymore. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: As a electronics professional, what is needed is not a personal computer expert but someone skilled in hardware and embedded system customization and modification. Agreed, such systems have little in common with desktop and server computers. I still don't want any of it. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. Gerry wrote: Googled it and found kill switches for Prius. http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanceparts/toyota/Prius/Electronics/Battery_Kill_Switches A number of taxi companies are using Prius: With 32 Prius taxis operating in his Cairns, Queensland fleet of Black and White Taxis, owner Graham Boundy knows the truth about high-mileage hybrids - and it's surprisingly good. Each car racks up about 200,000km (125,000mi) each year. Two of the older examples have managed a lifespan of 350,000km (218,000mi) and 550,000km (341,000mi) before needing replacement of their nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. The only problem even at the end of their battery pack service life was a low voltage reading.The cars have been in service since September, 2005, and Bounds has ordered another 8 to bring his fleet total to 40. http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1023454_toyota-prius-taxi-tops-34mi-dispels-battery-myth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Not all drivebywire systems are faulty. I had a 2000 VW TDI that never had any problems and never heard of any runaway vehicles. Come to think of it, only the Asian makes seem to have trouble with drivebywire. My theory is that the earlier Japanese vehicles were based on simpler American or British designs that the Japanese perfected. Then they got a little more adventurous in their designs and the problems started On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. Gerry wrote: Googled it and found kill switches for Prius. http://www.horsepowerfreaks.**com/performanceparts/toyota/** Prius/Electronics/Battery_**Kill_Switcheshttp://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanceparts/toyota/Prius/Electronics/Battery_Kill_Switches A number of taxi companies are using Prius: With 32 Prius taxis operating in his Cairns, Queensland fleet of Black and White Taxis, owner Graham Boundy knows the truth about high-mileage hybrids - and it's surprisingly good. Each car racks up about 200,000km (125,000mi) each year. Two of the older examples have managed a lifespan of 350,000km (218,000mi) and 550,000km (341,000mi) before needing replacement of their nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. The only problem even at the end of their battery pack service life was a low voltage reading.The cars have been in service since September, 2005, and Bounds has ordered another 8 to bring his fleet total to 40. http://www.motorauthority.com/**news/1023454_toyota-prius-** taxi-tops-34mi-dispels-**battery-mythhttp://www.motorauthority.com/news/1023454_toyota-prius-taxi-tops-34mi-dispels-battery-myth __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was thinking of rerouting the power to the fuel pump through a driver accessible switch. Mitch. Gerry Archer wrote: If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian Toscano wrote: Not all drivebywire systems are faulty. I had a 2000 VW TDI that never had any problems and never heard of any runaway vehicles. My brother had a 1976 VW Rabbit Diesel with runaway problems. Under the right (wrong) conditions it would go 40-50 mph on its own oil blow-by fumes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Yup, the drains in the head would clog, allowing the valve cover to fill up with oil. when it got high enough, it would suck down into the intake through the breather and off it would go until the level dropped down. Easy fix, just clear the broken valve seal bits out of the drains. My old Dodge Aries used to do this, too -- only used oil on the highway. Similar deal, the head drains were clogged with crap and the oil would slowly fill up to the breather on the highway. Peter On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: Not all drivebywire systems are faulty. I had a 2000 VW TDI that never had any problems and never heard of any runaway vehicles. My brother had a 1976 VW Rabbit Diesel with runaway problems. Under the right (wrong) conditions it would go 40-50 mph on its own oil blow-by fumes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apples/oranges Jim I am talking about gasoline engines, You are talking about EV/hybrid. I grant the point about relays can fail. However the failure if generally no go, not full speed ahead. The old military manual battery disconnect is still a good solution. I was taking it further by mounting a stop switch on the steering wheel, so the sheeple's hontoada/ki/hyunnis will be shut off by the driver body hitting the switch in a frontal collision. this will greatly lessen the chances of fire. The toada fuel pump continuing to feed a fire after impact is apparently what caused one of my daughter's friends to be burned so badly it took a month to identify the remains after her new toada hit a rock wall. My thinking is a master battery disconnect on gassers that is shut off on impact would reduce fires. And, a manual switch could easily prevent runaway gassers. To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. Relays are trouble points too, don't forget. I think the traditional keyswitch _is_ all that is necessary if the hybrid's electric motor is brushless. All you have to kill is the power to the gate sequencer and that motor is _not_ going to turn. (There would need to be some attention to failure-proofing the design, so that, say, a shorted collector-to-gate motor IGBT didn't back-feed power into the gate driver, which might make it to the driver board's Vcc via protection diodes or the like. Board could thus stay powered through the defective motor driver, and your fail-safe key switch isn't so fail-safe anymore. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a Pious taxi. They had a whole fleet of the things. The driver said it was great because of all the hills he had to go up and down, it kept the battery charged up and kept his fuel usage low. (I know about thermodynamics... just telling you what the driver said) --R On 6/3/12 11:04 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: A number of taxi companies are using Prius: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They have a couple of Prius taxis running around here too. Ridiculous looking things with green leaf decals applied all over them. What happened to Checkers?? Now THAT was a taxi cab. Allan Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a Pious taxi. They had a whole fleet of the things. The driver said it was great because of all the hills he had to go up and down, it kept the battery charged up and kept his fuel usage low. (I know about thermodynamics... just telling you what the driver said) --R On 6/3/12 11:04 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: A number of taxi companies are using Prius: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. Any decent car should be able to keep all four wheels near the point of lockup from top speed to zero without the engine working against them. Are some engines more powerful than the brakes I just described? Maybe, in some extreme cases. I think the problem comes when you want to go 75, and the engine wants to go full speed, so foolishly you use the brakes to keep it down to some speed you can tolerate, like 85mph. After a mile or so of that, the brakes are too hot to do any good, and your speed starts climbing uncontrollably again. The moral of that story is that if the car is trying to kill you, get it stopped ASAP. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at Mach-a-lot... Or does anyone actually drive a car these days? On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. Any decent car should be able to keep all four wheels near the point of lockup from top speed to zero without the engine working against them. Are some engines more powerful than the brakes I just described? Maybe, in some extreme cases. I think the problem comes when you want to go 75, and the engine wants to go full speed, so foolishly you use the brakes to keep it down to some speed you can tolerate, like 85mph. After a mile or so of that, the brakes are too hot to do any good, and your speed starts climbing uncontrollably again. The moral of that story is that if the car is trying to kill you, get it stopped ASAP. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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G Mann wrote: Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at Mach-a-lot... Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. That's why I like three pedal cars, as long as the clutch pedal operates a cable or hydraulic cylinder. Unless I have a simultaneous throttle and clutch failure, I can always make the drivetrain cease and desist. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Was looking at the new lineup of Priuses. Sales lady was trying to sell me a 2009 with seven years gaurantee on the battery and 100K on the car. I suggested that her price was high considering that the 2009 was in the group that had runaway problems. She said that all one must do is take it out of gear and put on the brake if the engine runs away but that the problem had been fixed, blah, blah, blah. Don't know if the 2009 had a mechanical connection to the transmission or not; probably not. I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. I've often thought about buying a used one, mostly in order to have something to play with besides these klatterers, but the used prices seem to stay high. Gerrywho believes that the only difference between men and boys is the size of their toys. G Mann wrote: Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at Mach-a-lot... Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. That's why I like three pedal cars, as long as the clutch pedal operates a cable or hydraulic cylinder. Unless I have a simultaneous throttle and clutch failure, I can always make the drivetrain cease and desist. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be manually operated. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed. Dan also computer professional On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be manually operated. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Relax. the circuit board you trust with your life at 85 MPH was built by $4 a week skilled labor in China, with quality controls what could possibly go wrong You know.. by the same company that was the lowest bidder for the contract that builds all the electric oil pumps... besides.. .. if enough people die and profits fall... the communist party chief will execute the plant supervisor we are safe Aren't we?? [ Hope Q lives forever and stocks parts to keep my old antique manual control Mercedes running forever On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at Mach-a-lot... Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. That's why I like three pedal cars, as long as the clutch pedal operates a cable or hydraulic cylinder. Unless I have a simultaneous throttle and clutch failure, I can always make the drivetrain cease and desist. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. I think a big red Emergency shutoff pushbutton switch should be mounted in the center of the steering wheel of those POS fly by wire vehicles. Another reason I don't want a toada. If I owned one of those, I'd put an emergency shutoff push and lock switch within easy reach. Dirtbikes used to have a bracelet you wore. If you left the bike, the bracelet pulled a pin and that killed the ignition. Too bad all these programmer geniuses in the auto industry can't think of a similar system. If they ever do, it will be overcomplicated, and cost $1832 per car. It ought to cost under $10 and be simple. Funny they gummit makes filling stations have an emergency shutoff, but a 4000 lb missile flying under fly by wire needs no safety. Every industrial machine has to have an emergency shutoff and a manual disconnect within easy reach, or requires two hands in position before the drive will engage, and while the machine is operating, but not even a 25¢ switch for cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. Allan Streib wrote: Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be manually operated. As a electronics professional, what is needed is not a personal computer expert but someone skilled in hardware and embedded system customization and modification. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This would be an ideal thing for the black box to explain, if fitted. Hendrik who has black boxes in his cars but they are generally relays and such On 01/06/12 10:13, Allan Streib wrote: Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. Gerry Archerarche...@embarqmail.com writes: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and immediately applied the brakes. The brakes had no problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the interstate. As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold back twice as much HP as a car has. Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around loose in the US - LarryT 91 300D On 5/31/2012 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Raises hand... Walt On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/**hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-** hyundai_sonata-0/http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing On 01/06/2012 2:33 PM, Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and immediately applied the brakes. The brakes had no problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the interstate. As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold back twice as much HP as a car has. Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around loose in the US - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing I always like having the old diesels unhooked. That way I could push the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors and walk away leaving it idle. The car was secure, un-maneuverable, and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop. I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be. If I wanted to, then I could pull the knob and shut er down. Works great! Much better than the factory start-stop. 190Dc 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing I always like having the old diesels unhooked. That way I could push the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors and walk away leaving it idle. The car was secure, un-maneuverable, and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop. I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be. If I wanted to, then I could pull the knob and shut er down. Works great! Much better than the factory start-stop. 190Dc 200D Very cool idea. I might just try that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
80 Mph isn't fast On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5038 - Release Date: 06/01/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy I do. My associate has one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets good gas mileage. It is the only car made in the last 30 years, outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat. 32 to 25 mpg for a car that size is pretty good. Makes a 240D look like a gashog on a fuel cost per mile basis. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph
What is most puzzling is that it could accelerate to 129km/hr --R On 5/31/12 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
