Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
On snowmobiles after about 1975 the "choke" is actually a fuel enrichner. The "choke" lever opens another jet from the carb into the intake. It doesn't actually choke (limit air) at all, it adds fuel... -Curt On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 10:15:44 PM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Yes "that is the 'choke" Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 9:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The "choke" in my W115 cars was an idle speed control - more idle speed for > starting instead of a bit of pedal with your foot. > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 7:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I don't know what a "pull start knob" is but what is a "choke" on a > > diesel? Diesels operate on a surplus of air so how does a choke help > > with starting? My 300SD has an idle adjustment knob but that's not what > > I'd call a choke. > > > > Allan > > > > Dwight Giles via Mercedes writes: > > > > > I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > > Wickford RI > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
Yes "that is the 'choke" Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 9:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The "choke" in my W115 cars was an idle speed control - more idle speed for > starting instead of a bit of pedal with your foot. > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 7:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I don't know what a "pull start knob" is but what is a "choke" on a > > diesel? Diesels operate on a surplus of air so how does a choke help > > with starting? My 300SD has an idle adjustment knob but that's not what > > I'd call a choke. > > > > Allan > > > > Dwight Giles via Mercedes writes: > > > > > I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > > Wickford RI > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
> but what is a "choke" on a diesel? You used it _like_ a choke knob. It increased idle speed, like most choke knobs also do, but did not affect mixture in any way. If it looks like a choke, and quacks like a choke... It was for better _running_ at cold start, not starting per se. It's so it wouldn't die when you took your foot off the pedal, before the engine had started to warm up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
My 1976 300D had one of those knobs. Randy's should as well. On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 9:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The "choke" in my W115 cars was an idle speed control - more idle speed for > starting instead of a bit of pedal with your foot. > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 7:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I don't know what a "pull start knob" is but what is a "choke" on a > > diesel? Diesels operate on a surplus of air so how does a choke help > > with starting? My 300SD has an idle adjustment knob but that's not what > > I'd call a choke. > > > > Allan > > > > Dwight Giles via Mercedes writes: > > > > > I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > > Wickford RI > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
The "choke" in my W115 cars was an idle speed control - more idle speed for starting instead of a bit of pedal with your foot. On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 7:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I don't know what a "pull start knob" is but what is a "choke" on a > diesel? Diesels operate on a surplus of air so how does a choke help > with starting? My 300SD has an idle adjustment knob but that's not what > I'd call a choke. > > Allan > > Dwight Giles via Mercedes writes: > > > I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. > > > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
I don't know what a "pull start knob" is but what is a "choke" on a diesel? Diesels operate on a surplus of air so how does a choke help with starting? My 300SD has an idle adjustment knob but that's not what I'd call a choke. Allan Dwight Giles via Mercedes writes: > I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
Yes, all US cars had key start. This must be a euro thing. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not a US model. As far as I know (and I'm no expert here) all US spec W123 > cars had relay type glow plugs, series "loop" style to start with, later > "pencil" type like all the later models. > > 115s still had pull start. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
I never saw one on a 123. My 78 240D did have choke knob but key start. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 3:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Years ago back in the early 90’s even before I owned my first car a 79 > 240d, I could have sworn I saw a 123 in a parking lot once that had a pull > start knob like the 115. At that time I only had experience with my > grandmothers 115. I have never seen another one and have never ran across > anybody that has seen or heard of this. I figured I must have remember it > wrong. That is until today when some dude posted a photo on fakebook > looking for a part. After much back and forth he posted this video which > basically confirms what I saw way back years ago. > > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1HpVm4igfge1XidXQdpsCJE10WxPImsvUEjOc_BrZp-1gXePsILhDBEy4=ydZsqct6k5Y=youtu.be > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
Not a US model. As far as I know (and I'm no expert here) all US spec W123 cars had relay type glow plugs, series "loop" style to start with, later "pencil" type like all the later models. 115s still had pull start. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
Seems weird starting an MBZ with no tachometer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZsqct6k5Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
I remember a "choke" knob on the dash. On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Years ago back in the early 90’s even before I owned my first car a 79 > 240d, I could have sworn I saw a 123 in a parking lot once that had a pull > start knob like the 115. At that time I only had experience with my > grandmothers 115. I have never seen another one and have never ran across > anybody that has seen or heard of this. I figured I must have remember it > wrong. That is until today when some dude posted a photo on fakebook > looking for a part. After much back and forth he posted this video which > basically confirms what I saw way back years ago. > > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1HpVm4igfge1XidXQdpsCJE10WxPImsvUEjOc_BrZp-1gXePsILhDBEy4=ydZsqct6k5Y=youtu.be > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I guess early 123 diesels did have pull start knobs
Years ago back in the early 90’s even before I owned my first car a 79 240d, I could have sworn I saw a 123 in a parking lot once that had a pull start knob like the 115. At that time I only had experience with my grandmothers 115. I have never seen another one and have never ran across anybody that has seen or heard of this. I figured I must have remember it wrong. That is until today when some dude posted a photo on fakebook looking for a part. After much back and forth he posted this video which basically confirms what I saw way back years ago. https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1HpVm4igfge1XidXQdpsCJE10WxPImsvUEjOc_BrZp-1gXePsILhDBEy4=ydZsqct6k5Y=youtu.be Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
