Re: [MBZ] Justice for Floyd/Rich

2020-03-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I love how you humanize these headline makers...

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m not sure I trust Queen Jean to do the right thing, although she has
> surprised me in the past. She is also known as a hard drinker.
>
> --FT
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> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > UTILITIES
> > Judge approves $520M settlement in Santee Cooper lawsuit
> >
> > Published: Wednesday, March 18, 2020
> >
> > A South Carolina judge gave preliminary approval yesterday to a $520
> > million settlement that would provide refunds to Santee Cooper utility
> > customers who were charged increased rates for a failed nuclear
> > construction project.
> >
> > Judge Jean Toal gave an initial approval to the settlement yesterday, a
> big
> > first step to ending a long-standing dispute between Santee Cooper and
> its
> > customers, who filed a class-action lawsuit against the state-owned
> > utility, news outlets reported.
> >
> > The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out
> of
> > its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017.
> >
> > Since the project started more than a decade ago, Santee Cooper increased
> > rates five times to fund the expensive project to build two
> nuclear-powered
> > electric generators in Jenkinsville, about 25 miles northwest of
> Columbia.
> > Santee Cooper was the junior partner on the project with the now former
> > Cayce-based SCE, which was acquired by Dominion Energy Inc. in January
> > 2019.
> >
> > After spending billions of dollars, Santee Cooper and SCE shut down the
> > project before any power was generated because of the rapidly escalating
> > costs.
> >
> > The preliminary settlement would refund some power costs paid by Santee
> > Cooper customers and about 2 million South Carolina residents who get
> their
> > power from electric cooperatives that use the utility's energy.
> >
> > Santee Cooper also could not raise electric rates for four years.
> >
> > The state Legislature is currently trying to decide whether it should
> > reform Santee Cooper or sell it.
> >
> > A final approval hearing is scheduled for July 20. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] Justice for Floyd/Rich

2020-03-18 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I’m not sure I trust Queen Jean to do the right thing, although she has 
surprised me in the past. She is also known as a hard drinker. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> UTILITIES
> Judge approves $520M settlement in Santee Cooper lawsuit
> 
> Published: Wednesday, March 18, 2020
> 
> A South Carolina judge gave preliminary approval yesterday to a $520
> million settlement that would provide refunds to Santee Cooper utility
> customers who were charged increased rates for a failed nuclear
> construction project.
> 
> Judge Jean Toal gave an initial approval to the settlement yesterday, a big
> first step to ending a long-standing dispute between Santee Cooper and its
> customers, who filed a class-action lawsuit against the state-owned
> utility, news outlets reported.
> 
> The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
> its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017.
> 
> Since the project started more than a decade ago, Santee Cooper increased
> rates five times to fund the expensive project to build two nuclear-powered
> electric generators in Jenkinsville, about 25 miles northwest of Columbia.
> Santee Cooper was the junior partner on the project with the now former
> Cayce-based SCE, which was acquired by Dominion Energy Inc. in January
> 2019.
> 
> After spending billions of dollars, Santee Cooper and SCE shut down the
> project before any power was generated because of the rapidly escalating
> costs.
> 
> The preliminary settlement would refund some power costs paid by Santee
> Cooper customers and about 2 million South Carolina residents who get their
> power from electric cooperatives that use the utility's energy.
> 
> Santee Cooper also could not raise electric rates for four years.
> 
> The state Legislature is currently trying to decide whether it should
> reform Santee Cooper or sell it.
> 
> A final approval hearing is scheduled for July 20. *— Associated Press*
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[MBZ] Justice for Floyd/Rich

2020-03-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
UTILITIES
Judge approves $520M settlement in Santee Cooper lawsuit

Published: Wednesday, March 18, 2020

A South Carolina judge gave preliminary approval yesterday to a $520
million settlement that would provide refunds to Santee Cooper utility
customers who were charged increased rates for a failed nuclear
construction project.

Judge Jean Toal gave an initial approval to the settlement yesterday, a big
first step to ending a long-standing dispute between Santee Cooper and its
customers, who filed a class-action lawsuit against the state-owned
utility, news outlets reported.

The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017.

Since the project started more than a decade ago, Santee Cooper increased
rates five times to fund the expensive project to build two nuclear-powered
electric generators in Jenkinsville, about 25 miles northwest of Columbia.
Santee Cooper was the junior partner on the project with the now former
Cayce-based SCE, which was acquired by Dominion Energy Inc. in January
2019.

After spending billions of dollars, Santee Cooper and SCE shut down the
project before any power was generated because of the rapidly escalating
costs.

The preliminary settlement would refund some power costs paid by Santee
Cooper customers and about 2 million South Carolina residents who get their
power from electric cooperatives that use the utility's energy.

Santee Cooper also could not raise electric rates for four years.

The state Legislature is currently trying to decide whether it should
reform Santee Cooper or sell it.

A final approval hearing is scheduled for July 20. *— Associated Press*
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[MBZ] Justice

2012-12-21 Thread RELNGSON

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread R A Bennell
Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done in this 
matter. Would you like to face a
court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from the 
outset? Makes no sense to me that even
the Marines could take pride in this charade.

Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner believes 
in, but generally we try to make
sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over backwards 
to ensure that the defendant's
rights are more than protected.

One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it down 
there, will take care of him. One would
think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his profession.

Randy

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On Dec. 1, Chicago lawyer Jay Grodner took offense at Semper Fi Marine
Corps license plates on a black BMW. So the anti-war activist keyed the car. The
car's owner, Marine Sgt. Michael McNulty, saw him do it and had him arrested.
 
The police wanted to charge Grodner with a misdemeanor. McNulty held out for
a felony charge, which the damage warranted. The prosecutor felt it was a
minor case and urged the parties to make a deal, but neither was inclined to do
so.
 
Complicating matters was the fact that McNulty was en route to Camp Pendleton
for his second deployment to Iraq. He was slated to  report Jan. 2. The case
was set for Dec. 31.
 
At this point, a military-affairs blogger, BlackFive ( www.blackfive.net
http://www.blackfive.net/ ), posted the story. A BlackFive reader attended
the Dec. 31 hearing and reported a crowd in the courtroom supporting McNulty,
along with a new prosecutor -- Patrick Kelley, USMC 1969-72. Grodner also had
the misfortune of having his case assigned to Judge William O'Malley, USMC
1961-64.
 
The case was resolved Monday when Grodner pleaded guilty. The judge couldn't
resist a little lecture. From the transcript:
 
You probably also wondered why there was a whole crowd of people here today,
Mr. Grodner. ... That's because there is a little principle that the Marine
Corps has and has had since 1775, when they had fought and lost their lives so
that people like you could enjoy the freedom of this country; and that is a
little proverb that we follow, that no  Marine is left behind.
 
So, Sgt. McNulty couldn't be here, but other Marines showed in his stead.

Take him away.
 
Grodner will do community service, spend a year on probation, pay restitution
and then, if his promise to a newspaper columnist can be believed, move to
France.
 
 To the online Marine community, congratulations on a gratifying victory. And
to Sgt. McNulty, come home safe.


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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley
R A Bennell wrote:
 
 Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done in 
 this matter. Would you like to face a
 court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from the 
 outset?

The prosecutor was working the victim to make it all go away in the beginning.
The plea agreement they came up with in the end, after media attention, 
was probably pretty average for the offense.
The judge just gaveled down on the plea agreement that the lawyers made, 
can't fault him for that. And lecturing criminals is stock in trade for
judges. (especially judges who used to be cops)
The judge did order the idiot cuffed, but that was only after he twice
showed up late, intentionally, and admitted he kept the court waiting
simply because he was trying to avoid reporters. The handcuffing did
have the desired effect of making him quit acting like he was in charge
of the courtroom. 

I did find out he's a bit of a slimeball, was censured by the Bar in 1984
for forgery. Now that's something that I think should cause separation
from the legal profession, life sentence for first offense.

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread dave walton
After reading through the transcript I am impressed with the level of
fairness Grodner was treated with given the negative publicity and
potential bias of the Court.
If it were me, I probably would have tossed in mandatory attendance of
an anger management class.

-Dave Walton

On Feb 8, 2008 10:51 AM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done in 
 this matter. Would you like to face a
 court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from the 
 outset? Makes no sense to me that even
 the Marines could take pride in this charade.

 Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner 
 believes in, but generally we try to make
 sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over 
 backwards to ensure that the defendant's
 rights are more than protected.

 One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it down 
 there, will take care of him. One would
 think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his profession.

 Randy


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 Subject: [MBZ] Justice served


 On Dec. 1, Chicago lawyer Jay Grodner took offense at Semper Fi Marine
 Corps license plates on a black BMW. So the anti-war activist keyed the car. 
 The
 car's owner, Marine Sgt. Michael McNulty, saw him do it and had him arrested.

 The police wanted to charge Grodner with a misdemeanor. McNulty held out for
 a felony charge, which the damage warranted. The prosecutor felt it was a
 minor case and urged the parties to make a deal, but neither was inclined to 
 do
 so.

 Complicating matters was the fact that McNulty was en route to Camp Pendleton
 for his second deployment to Iraq. He was slated to  report Jan. 2. The case
 was set for Dec. 31.

 At this point, a military-affairs blogger, BlackFive ( www.blackfive.net
 http://www.blackfive.net/ ), posted the story. A BlackFive reader attended
 the Dec. 31 hearing and reported a crowd in the courtroom supporting McNulty,
 along with a new prosecutor -- Patrick Kelley, USMC 1969-72. Grodner also had
 the misfortune of having his case assigned to Judge William O'Malley, USMC
 1961-64.

 The case was resolved Monday when Grodner pleaded guilty. The judge couldn't
 resist a little lecture. From the transcript:

 You probably also wondered why there was a whole crowd of people here today,
 Mr. Grodner. ... That's because there is a little principle that the Marine
 Corps has and has had since 1775, when they had fought and lost their lives so
 that people like you could enjoy the freedom of this country; and that is a
 little proverb that we follow, that no  Marine is left behind.

 So, Sgt. McNulty couldn't be here, but other Marines showed in his stead.

 Take him away.

 Grodner will do community service, spend a year on probation, pay restitution
 and then, if his promise to a newspaper columnist can be believed, move to
 France.

  To the online Marine community, congratulations on a gratifying victory. And
 to Sgt. McNulty, come home safe.


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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
Please let's not go there...

On Feb 8, 2008 6:02 PM, Hendrik  Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What charade? Didn't he plead guilty? I suppose there would have been a
 lot of whooh haah's and secret handshakes and such, perhaps the odd
 pointing at the defendant and sliding the finger across the throat but
 at the end of the day he did the crime and now gotta do the time. That
 stupid jerk should have known if you take on one Marine you take on all.
 If that idiot is capable of keying a car over something so trivial what
 else is he gonna do? Probably go down and spit on wounded soldiers
 coming back from the middle east.
 Why doesn't he go and key Bush's car or Romsfelds car. Perhaps he would
 be happy if the US got out of the middle east and left Israel to it's
 own devices, perhaps then he could go over there and help defend Israel?
 I don't particularly like democracy at the point of a gun but the grunts
 doing the job are not the ones to blame. Reminds me of what happened in
 the Vietnam war.

 Hendrik

 R A Bennell wrote:
  Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done
 in this matter. Would you like to face a
  court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from
 the outset? Makes no sense to me that even
  the Marines could take pride in this charade.
 
  Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner
 believes in, but generally we try to make
  sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over
 backwards to ensure that the defendant's
  rights are more than protected.
 
  One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it
 down there, will take care of him. One would
  think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his
 profession.
 
  Randy
 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread Hendrik Fay
What charade? Didn't he plead guilty? I suppose there would have been a 
lot of whooh haah's and secret handshakes and such, perhaps the odd 
pointing at the defendant and sliding the finger across the throat but 
at the end of the day he did the crime and now gotta do the time. That 
stupid jerk should have known if you take on one Marine you take on all.
If that idiot is capable of keying a car over something so trivial what 
else is he gonna do? Probably go down and spit on wounded soldiers 
coming back from the middle east.
Why doesn't he go and key Bush's car or Romsfelds car. Perhaps he would 
be happy if the US got out of the middle east and left Israel to it's 
own devices, perhaps then he could go over there and help defend Israel?
I don't particularly like democracy at the point of a gun but the grunts 
doing the job are not the ones to blame. Reminds me of what happened in 
the Vietnam war.

Hendrik

R A Bennell wrote:
 Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done in 
 this matter. Would you like to face a
 court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from the 
 outset? Makes no sense to me that even
 the Marines could take pride in this charade.

 Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner 
 believes in, but generally we try to make
 sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over 
 backwards to ensure that the defendant's
 rights are more than protected.

 One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it down 
 there, will take care of him. One would
 think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his profession.

 Randy


   

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread R A Bennell
Well, maybe the ultimate penalty was acceptable etc but the journalism isn't. 
The smirking about how the prosecuter
is a former Marine and the Judge is a former Marine and the room is packed with 
Marines just leaves me cold. Not
funny. If you were the one facing the Judge, you would certainly like to be 
able to hope that he was impartial and
that the hearing you got and the sentence imposed would be fair and reasonable 
and not influenced by the bias of
the parties in a position to impose it or influence it.

That, is what I was suggesting. Our justice system does not work perfectly but 
we have a reasonable belief that it
will protect us from the sort of thing that was being suggested in that article.

Randy

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I think that the intent of the law and true justice was served very well
in this case. Too bad true justice doesn't happen as much as it should
any more. May I suggest France?

Manfred


Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:51:48 -0600
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done
  in this matter. Would you like to face a
court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from
  the outset? Makes no sense to me that even
the Marines could take pride in this charade.

Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner
  believes in, but generally we try to make
sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over
  backwards to ensure that the defendant's
rights are more than protected.

One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it
  down there, will take care of him. One would
think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his
  profession.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread MG
I think that the intent of the law and true justice was served very well 
in this case. Too bad true justice doesn't happen as much as it should 
any more. May I suggest France?

Manfred


Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:51:48 -0600
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Let me suggest that you think seriously about whether justice was done
  in this matter. Would you like to face a
court where the Judge and the prosecuter are obviously against you from
  the outset? Makes no sense to me that even
the Marines could take pride in this charade.

Stupid to key a car because you disagree with something that its owner
  believes in, but generally we try to make
sure that justice is served - sometimes to the point of bending over
  backwards to ensure that the defendant's
rights are more than protected.

One would think that the Illinois Law Society or whatever they call it
  down there, will take care of him. One would
think that his actions are at the least, conduct unbecoming to his
  profession.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-08 Thread Hendrik Fay
Hey I thought the US had finally got to grips with losing a war, just in 
time for the next loss.

Hendrik

andrew strasfogel wrote:
 Please let's not go there...

 On Feb 8, 2008 6:02 PM, Hendrik  Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 What charade? Didn't he plead guilty? I suppose there would have been a
 lot of whooh haah's and secret handshakes and such, perhaps the odd
 pointing at the defendant and sliding the finger across the throat but
 at the end of the day he did the crime and now gotta do the time. That
 stupid jerk should have known if you take on one Marine you take on all.
 If that idiot is capable of keying a car over something so trivial what
 else is he gonna do? Probably go down and spit on wounded soldiers
 coming back from the middle east.
 Why doesn't he go and key Bush's car or Romsfelds car. Perhaps he would
 be happy if the US got out of the middle east and left Israel to it's
 own devices, perhaps then he could go over there and help defend Israel?
 I don't particularly like democracy at the point of a gun but the grunts
 doing the job are not the ones to blame. Reminds me of what happened in
 the Vietnam war.

 Hendrik

 

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[MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-07 Thread RELNGSON
On Dec. 1, Chicago lawyer Jay Grodner took offense at Semper Fi Marine 
Corps license plates on a black BMW. So the anti-war activist keyed the car. 
The 
car's owner, Marine Sgt. Michael McNulty, saw him do it and had him arrested.
 
The police wanted to charge Grodner with a misdemeanor. McNulty held out for 
a felony charge, which the damage warranted. The prosecutor felt it was a 
minor case and urged the parties to make a deal, but neither was inclined to do 
so.
 
Complicating matters was the fact that McNulty was en route to Camp Pendleton 
for his second deployment to Iraq. He was slated to  report Jan. 2. The case 
was set for Dec. 31.
 
At this point, a military-affairs blogger, BlackFive ( www.blackfive.net
http://www.blackfive.net/ ), posted the story. A BlackFive reader attended 
the Dec. 31 hearing and reported a crowd in the courtroom supporting McNulty, 
along with a new prosecutor -- Patrick Kelley, USMC 1969-72. Grodner also had 
the misfortune of having his case assigned to Judge William O'Malley, USMC 
1961-64.
 
The case was resolved Monday when Grodner pleaded guilty. The judge couldn't 
resist a little lecture. From the transcript:
 
You probably also wondered why there was a whole crowd of people here today, 
Mr. Grodner. ... That's because there is a little principle that the Marine 
Corps has and has had since 1775, when they had fought and lost their lives so 
that people like you could enjoy the freedom of this country; and that is a 
little proverb that we follow, that no  Marine is left behind.
 
So, Sgt. McNulty couldn't be here, but other Marines showed in his stead.

Take him away.
 
Grodner will do community service, spend a year on probation, pay restitution 
and then, if his promise to a newspaper columnist can be believed, move to 
France.
 
 To the online Marine community, congratulations on a gratifying victory. And 
to Sgt. McNulty, come home safe.


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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-07 Thread Mitch Haley
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/keyedcar.asp

Appears to be mostly true, except for the felony part. 
The lawyer claimed the witnesses were committing a hate crime by
testifying against a jewish perpetrator. What a useless piece of
Chicago style trash.

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-07 Thread Mitch Haley
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 On Dec. 1, Chicago lawyer Jay Grodner took offense at Semper Fi Marine
 Corps license plates on a black BMW. So the anti-war activist keyed the car. 
 The
 car's owner, Marine Sgt. Michael McNulty, saw him do it and had him arrested.

Sounds like a hate crime to me. Don't those get enhanced punishment?

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Re: [MBZ] Justice served

2008-02-07 Thread Mitch Haley

Here's a Chicago Tribune article on the trial date.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass_bd_20jan20,1,2047849.story

It seems the lawyer didn't realize that defendants in Chicago don't have
the right to keep the judge waiting until the reporters give up and go home.
(unless, of course, the defendant is a drunken Chicago cop accused of beating
up a 110lb waitress who cut off his booze)

So the judge is a Marine, a former cop, and he's really unhappy with
a defendant who intentionally showed up late for not one, but two
court appearances. And the first time Grodner asked for a continuance
to 'find an attorney', then appeared pro se for the 2nd court date. 
They posted excerpts from the court transcript on blackfive, it's
just too funny:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/01/anti-military-l.html

 22  THE SHERIFF:   Mr. Grodner, put your hands

 23 behind your back.

 24  THE COURT:   You were warned once.  I got a

   Page 4

  1 message that you were  --  you didn't want to come

  2 here because you wanted to wait for the press to

  3 leave.

  4   I don't run my courtroom that way.   You

  5 have no regard for the Court.  Bail is increased to

  6 $20,000.  Take him into custody.

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