Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
The w220 rivals a high end Hyundai in fit, finish and quality. When it was functional, it was a joy to drive and I was displeased with how it developed a cascade failure of major systems after a dozen years. Transmission failures, cats died, Media center kacked, suspension dropped, computers crashed, cluster (third one, two prior were under warrantee) went blank. By the time I got rid of it the only thing still working were the tires clay monroe 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis Retired- 1986 SDL- Polei 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap 1982 SD - Allen 1976 300D - Das Blei - Lead Sled 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life against a dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > On Dec 15, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > W220. The air suspension on this car when it works well gives an amazing > ride. The car handles like it’s on rails which again is amazing for such a > large car. Sam Peterson who was/is (?) on this list has one and I drove it > and wow! And he claims that the air suspension issues are fairly easy to fix > when broken and parts and rebuild kits no longer expensive. The real issue > with this chassis is rust but if kept off salty roads it’s not an issue. > People claim that the interior feels cheap but I can’t really agree with that > either. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there >> anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be >> nice… >> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
W220. The air suspension on this car when it works well gives an amazing ride. The car handles like it’s on rails which again is amazing for such a large car. Sam Peterson who was/is (?) on this list has one and I drove it and wow! And he claims that the air suspension issues are fairly easy to fix when broken and parts and rebuild kits no longer expensive. The real issue with this chassis is rust but if kept off salty roads it’s not an issue. People claim that the interior feels cheap but I can’t really agree with that either. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there > anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be > nice… > > https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Kinda, they marketed a few really low end models that were actually rebadged Mazdas. That kind of badge engineering dilutes a high end brand... -Curt On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 06:35:54 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Jaguar, on the other hand, improved their reliability when acquired by Ford and the styling hasn't suffered. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yet it seems that they refused to acknowlege that. They never started > bringing over the smaller more economical cars they sell in Europe. I'd > have considered buying an A class diesel with a manual transmission but > AFAIK they were never offered in the US. > > Now they will be all-electric in a few years, which will keep me in the > deep end of the used car market. > > Allan > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > Around the time of the Chrysler merger Mercedes lost it's status as a > > premiere car. Instead it became a thing you could lease to show > > everybody how rich you were, or really how rich you were pretending to > > be. > > Nobody really aspires to a Mercedes anymore because you really don't > > have to, they're pretty easy to get. Now it's a Bentley or Roller or > > one of the high end electrics... > > -Curt > > > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 03:01:41 PM EST, Randy Bennell via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern > > styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the > > younger folks. > > There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the > > showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. > > > > > > > > On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > >> I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the > late 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body > shape was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an > extra MPG or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen > as worth doing. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >>> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The > >>> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally > >>> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the > >>> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than > >>> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. > >>> > >>> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the > >>> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much > >>> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury > >>> Sable/Ford Taurus. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of > the > modern era > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > >> I dislike most MBs since the 124. > > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the > R129. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Jaguar, on the other hand, improved their reliability when acquired by Ford and the styling hasn't suffered. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yet it seems that they refused to acknowlege that. They never started > bringing over the smaller more economical cars they sell in Europe. I'd > have considered buying an A class diesel with a manual transmission but > AFAIK they were never offered in the US. > > Now they will be all-electric in a few years, which will keep me in the > deep end of the used car market. > > Allan > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > Around the time of the Chrysler merger Mercedes lost it's status as a > > premiere car. Instead it became a thing you could lease to show > > everybody how rich you were, or really how rich you were pretending to > > be. > > Nobody really aspires to a Mercedes anymore because you really don't > > have to, they're pretty easy to get. Now it's a Bentley or Roller or > > one of the high end electrics... > > -Curt > > > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 03:01:41 PM EST, Randy Bennell via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern > > styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the > > younger folks. > > There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the > > showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. > > > > > > > > On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > >> I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the > late 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body > shape was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an > extra MPG or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen > as worth doing. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >>> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The > >>> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally > >>> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the > >>> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than > >>> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. > >>> > >>> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the > >>> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much > >>> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury > >>> Sable/Ford Taurus. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of > the > modern era > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > >> I dislike most MBs since the 124. > > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the > R129. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Yet it seems that they refused to acknowlege that. They never started bringing over the smaller more economical cars they sell in Europe. I'd have considered buying an A class diesel with a manual transmission but AFAIK they were never offered in the US. Now they will be all-electric in a few years, which will keep me in the deep end of the used car market. Allan On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Around the time of the Chrysler merger Mercedes lost it's status as a > premiere car. Instead it became a thing you could lease to show > everybody how rich you were, or really how rich you were pretending to > be. > Nobody really aspires to a Mercedes anymore because you really don't > have to, they're pretty easy to get. Now it's a Bentley or Roller or > one of the high end electrics... > -Curt > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 03:01:41 PM EST, Randy Bennell via > Mercedes wrote: > > I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern > styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the > younger folks. > There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the > showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. > > > > On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late >> 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape >> was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG >> or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth >> doing. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The >>> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally >>> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the >>> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than >>> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. >>> >>> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the >>> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much >>> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury >>> Sable/Ford Taurus. >>> >>> -D >>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the modern era On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >> I dislike most MBs since the 124. > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
That and with the introduction of the Crap class models and MBUSA leasing, their cars became commodities just like any other car. -D > On Dec 15, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Around the time of the Chrysler merger Mercedes lost it's status as a > premiere car. Instead it became a thing you could lease to show everybody how > rich you were, or really how rich you were pretending to be. > Nobody really aspires to a Mercedes anymore because you really don't have to, > they're pretty easy to get. Now it's a Bentley or Roller or one of the high > end electrics... > -Curt > >On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 03:01:41 PM EST, Randy Bennell via > Mercedes wrote: > > I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern > styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the > younger folks. > There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the > showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. > > > > On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late >> 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape >> was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG >> or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth >> doing. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The >>> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally >>> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the >>> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than >>> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. >>> >>> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the >>> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much >>> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury >>> Sable/Ford Taurus. >>> >>> -D >>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the modern era On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >> I dislike most MBs since the 124. > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Around the time of the Chrysler merger Mercedes lost it's status as a premiere car. Instead it became a thing you could lease to show everybody how rich you were, or really how rich you were pretending to be. Nobody really aspires to a Mercedes anymore because you really don't have to, they're pretty easy to get. Now it's a Bentley or Roller or one of the high end electrics... -Curt On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 03:01:41 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the younger folks. There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late > 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape was > that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG or > shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth doing. > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The >> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally >> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the >> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than >> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. >> >> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the >> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much >> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury >> Sable/Ford Taurus. >> >> -D >> >>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the >>> modern era >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes >>> >>> wrote: >>> > I dislike most MBs since the 124. I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
And they succeeded wildly, judging by the sheer number of SUVs sporting the tristar one sees everywhere. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:01 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern > styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the > younger folks. > There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the > showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. > > > > On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > > I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the > late 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body > shape was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an > extra MPG or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen > as worth doing. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The > >> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally > >> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the > >> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than > >> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. > >> > >> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the > >> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much > >> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury > >> Sable/Ford Taurus. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the > >>> modern era > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > I dislike most MBs since the 124. > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the > R129. > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
I would also suggest that MB felt a need to be in tune with modern styling. They no doubt wanted to and felt a need to appeal to the younger folks. There is a lot of money invested in vehicles before they hit the showroom floors and mistakes are very costly. On 15/12/2021 1:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth doing. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury Sable/Ford Taurus. -D On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the modern era On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I dislike most MBs since the 124. I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No doubt. -D > On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late > 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape was > that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG or > shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth doing. > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The >> W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally >> beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the >> W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than >> previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. >> >> The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the >> will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much >> like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury >> Sable/Ford Taurus. >> >> -D >> >>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the >>> modern era >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes >>> >>> wrote: >>> > I dislike most MBs since the 124. I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I always thought the reason that all cars started looking alike in the late 1990s/early 2000s at least in terms of the general "jellybean" body shape was that is what tested best in the wind tunnel, and if it got an extra MPG or shaved a fraction of a second off the 0-60 time, it was seen as worth doing. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The > W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally > beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the > W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than > previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. > > The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the > will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much > like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury > Sable/Ford Taurus. > > -D > >> On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the >> modern era >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I dislike most MBs since the 124. >>> >>> I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. >>> Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. >>> It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, >>> the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Audi 5000 and W124 were very aerodynamic for the 1980s, but the W124 managed to pull it off without looking more aero than the W201. The W210 had a surprisingly low Cd, at least in sedan form. A big improvement over the W124 IIRC, but it brought MB into the 'form follows function' category of styling. On 2021-12-15 14:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury Sable/Ford Taurus. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think it’s best to qualify appearances based on time or vintage. The W108 and W109 sedans were works of art. The W126 LWB cars were equally beautiful and functional. I think you could say much the same for the W124s for their time period as well. Certainly more angular than previous models, but that design was functionally excellent as well. The W210s (I think) show a break where MB seemed to be bending to the will of the masses when it came to styling in that they look very much like the “jellybeans” of domestic cars during that time, like a Mercury Sable/Ford Taurus. -D > On Dec 15, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the > modern era > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >>> I dislike most MBs since the 124. >> >> I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. >> Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. >> It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, >> the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For me, the W108 and 109 sedans Tower above all Mercedes saloons of the modern era On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > I dislike most MBs since the 124. > > I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. > Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. > It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, > the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> I dislike most MBs since the 124. I think the W210 from the nose to just before the wiper looks good. Saw an aerial shot of an MB (on TV) that I though looked very nice. It was a W126, so not surprised. I think S124 wagons are gorgeous, the other 124s not so much. I think Ford did a nice job with the R129. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I liked driving the W124, but they are all ugly. Lastt good looking MB sedans were the W126s. I don't like the W123 for that matter, the W114/5 is much better. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:42 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I dislike most MBs since the 124. I might consider an SL but other than > that they're all gross. The current GLS looks like a Volvo... > I'd take a G wagen if somebody wanted to give me one... > > -Curt > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 10:55:12 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel > via Mercedes wrote: > > IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic > appeal. > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > > I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various > > > sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never > > > could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. > > > > The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, > > just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical > > W210. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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G Wagons are so tall a 3 yr. old girl can tip them over On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond wrote: > I dislike most MBs since the 124. I might consider an SL but other than > that they're all gross. The current GLS looks like a Volvo... > > I'd take a G wagen if somebody wanted to give me one... > > -Curt > > On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 10:55:12 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > > IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic > appeal. > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > > I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various > > > sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never > > > could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. > > > > The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, > > just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical > > W210. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dislike most MBs since the 124. I might consider an SL but other than that they're all gross. The current GLS looks like a Volvo... I'd take a G wagen if somebody wanted to give me one... -Curt On Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 10:55:12 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic appeal. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various > > sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never > > could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. > > The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, > just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical > W210. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The vehicle I drive has to compensate for this. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:01 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You probably have no aesthetic appeal either so there’s that to consider > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > That is a just a sign that you are old. > > > > > > > >> On 15/12/2021 9:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic > >> appeal. > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various > sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never > could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. > >>> The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, > >>> just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical > >>> W210. > >>> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You probably have no aesthetic appeal either so there’s that to consider --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > That is a just a sign that you are old. > > > >> On 15/12/2021 9:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic >> appeal. >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. >>> The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, >>> just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical >>> W210. >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is a just a sign that you are old. On 15/12/2021 9:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic appeal. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical W210. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IMO the styling of Mercedes sedans since 1986 has lacked any aesthetic appeal. On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various > > sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never > > could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. > > The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, > just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical > W210. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 2021-12-15 08:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. The W203 are kinda eggy, but I think they're easy to tell from w220, just like the reclined W211 are easy to tell from the more vertical W210. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like this, it makes it easy to tell. My knowledge of the various sedan chassis’ numbers from 2000-2008 or so is sketchy at best. Never could sort out the differences between the W211/220/221. Thanks! -D > On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:15 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > W221 had slanty eye headlights. > W220 and Porsche 996 had fried eggs. I don't believe any other Mercedes had > headlights like that. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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W221 had slanty eye headlights. W220 and Porsche 996 had fried eggs. I don't believe any other Mercedes had headlights like that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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2000-2006 Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: December 14, 2021 9:05 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. Are all S500s of this vintage still W220s? -D > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable reasons > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there >> anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be >> nice… >> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grandpa car colors. On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Silver with a silver interior. I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 10:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> 07 was first year for the 221 and it was S550 with a different engine. >> That’s why I’m kinda intrigued by this package deal with the CLK320 and >> 07S550 both saleing for $8500, way cheap. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> >> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail < >> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Yeah I believe that’s a 220 >> > >> > --FT >> > Sent from iFōn >> > >> >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. >> Are all S500s of this vintage still W220s? >> >> >> >> -D >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable >> reasons >> >>> >> >>> --FT >> >>> Sent from iFōn >> >>> >> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is >> there anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic >> would be nice… >> >> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timing chain idler issues? Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: December 14, 2021 8:49 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Looks Interesting But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be nice… https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Silver with a silver interior. I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 10:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > 07 was first year for the 221 and it was S550 with a different engine. > That’s why I’m kinda intrigued by this package deal with the CLK320 and > 07S550 both saleing for $8500, way cheap. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail < > buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yeah I believe that’s a 220 > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. > Are all S500s of this vintage still W220s? > >> > >> -D > >> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable > reasons > >>> > >>> --FT > >>> Sent from iFōn > >>> > > On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is > there anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic > would be nice… > > > https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
07 was first year for the 221 and it was S550 with a different engine. That’s why I’m kinda intrigued by this package deal with the CLK320 and 07S550 both saleing for $8500, way cheap. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail > wrote: > > Yeah I believe that’s a 220 > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. Are all >> S500s of this vintage still W220s? >> >> -D >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable reasons >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iFōn >>> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be nice… https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Yeah I believe that’s a 220 --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. Are all > S500s of this vintage still W220s? > > -D > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable reasons >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there >>> anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be >>> nice… >>> >>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
I love my 4matic in my w211. I have had 4wd & AWD in a lot of different models over the years. this is the best ever. On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 9:49 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there > anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be > nice… > > > https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
Is this a W220 or a W221? I can never tell the difference, dang it. Are all S500s of this vintage still W220s? -D > On Dec 14, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable reasons > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there >> anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be >> nice… >> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looks Interesting
I thought you were averse to the 220 cars for various reasonable reasons --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 14, 2021, at 9:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there > anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be > nice… > > https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Looks Interesting
But pricey, again. Maybe why it’s been up for nearly 30 days. Is there anything of significance to watch out for on one of these? 4Matic would be nice… https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/wesley-chapel-2006-mercedes-benz-s500/7409080638.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
