[MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Geeze...Talk about loosing at "Russian roulette",, big time bummer I made a trip to Or and another to CA knowing I could loose the "game" :'( Then theres the "5th gear nut" but at least you can carry on in 4th Regards Steve Van Cleve Marrowstone Isl Wa "85" Euro 240D 5 spd 110K "79" 240D 5spd fresh tranny transplan "82" Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon "94" Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K From: Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready" Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:21:07 -0700 To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 6 I remember reading on our TDR page that a member drove to a KDP party which was 100 plus miles and his pin came out on the way there, bummer! Rory
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
I remember reading on our TDR page that a member drove to a KDP party which was 100 plus miles and his pin came out on the way there, bummer! Rory On 10/4/05, Van Cleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Precedence: list > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready" > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:24:04 -0400 > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message: 11 > > Van Cleve wrote: > > I had mine taken care of by a "big rig" shop owner, friend. he > > charged my $200, which I think is good :-) > > What did you get for $200, cover removal and a tab bolted over > the pin, or drill the cover and run a bolt up against the pin? > Either way, you did OK given the labor time involved. > > Do they still arrange KDP parties where a dozen guys get together, > rip the front ends off their trucks, and do the drill&bolt routine > with a jig to place the drilled hole? (then they sit around, eat > brats and drink beer) > > MitchWe did the "tab fix", which we both thought, the better way to go > as all the bolts inside the case can be checked out and with the "jig fix" > if the pins already a little ways out you gota pull the case anyway, (the > bolt must hold the D/P in by being "above" it not against the side of it) > which means you should have all the needed parts, gaskets, seal etc...on > hand. Mine was in and secure. > > Yah, a KDP party :-) woulda been great but I'm kinda out in the sticks here > on the Olympic Peninsula and I just wanted to get her done. I would be up > for learning what ever I can and would attend a KDP, brat & beer party if I > didnt have to drive half way across the state. > > > > Regards Steve Van Cleve > Marrowstone Isl Wa > > "85" Euro 240D 5 spd 110K > "79" 240D 5spd fresh tranny transplan > "82" Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon > "94" Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K > > > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Hey Mitch, thats how I had my truck done. A big killer dowell pin party in Palmdale, Ca. Did the drill and tap method, that was 115k miles ago. We did eat few burgers and dogs and slammed down some brew afterward. It was a fun and learning event. Rory 97 3500 CTD 300HP On 10/3/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Van Cleve wrote: > > I had mine taken care of by a "big rig" shop owner, friend. he > > charged my $200, which I think is good :-) > > What did you get for $200, cover removal and a tab bolted over > the pin, or drill the cover and run a bolt up against the pin? > Either way, you did OK given the labor time involved. > > Do they still arrange KDP parties where a dozen guys get together, > rip the front ends off their trucks, and do the drill&bolt routine > with a jig to place the drilled hole? (then they sit around, eat > brats and drink beer) > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Van Cleve wrote: > I had mine taken care of by a "big rig" shop owner, friend. he > charged my $200, which I think is good :-) What did you get for $200, cover removal and a tab bolted over the pin, or drill the cover and run a bolt up against the pin? Either way, you did OK given the labor time involved. Do they still arrange KDP parties where a dozen guys get together, rip the front ends off their trucks, and do the drill&bolt routine with a jig to place the drilled hole? (then they sit around, eat brats and drink beer)
[MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:57:16 -0400 To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 4 Kevin wrote: > There was something about a weak timing cover in the cummins, > can't remember if it was on the 24v engines or the 12v engines. All I can remember is the killer dowel pin, which was fixed somewhere around 1996-1998 IIRC. I think it wasn't a problem after 1998 I'm a new Dodge/Cumming Truck owner but I learned real quick that MY truck was a possible candidate for the KDP . The "killer dowl pin" is in the block and is for aliening the timing case. Allot have fallen OUT , best case scenario, cracked timing case, worst case gets ugly and expensive :'(. I had mine taken care of by a "big rig" shop owner, friend. he charged my $200, which I think is good :-) I wasn't ready to dig into that Cummins, YET its allot different than my little 240Ds. Heres a good place to start for Dodge/Cummins info and theres are more. http://www.turbodieselregister.com/or for bio http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/frm/f/415106403. Allot of chit chat over there is about the dreaded KDP, Sigh, I dont have nightmares anymore :-) Regards Steve Van Cleve Marrowstone Isl Wa "85" Euro 240D 5 spd 110K "79" 240D 5spd fresh tranny transplan "82" Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon "94" Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K .
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 04:57:16PM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote: > Kevin wrote: > > There was something about a weak timing cover in the cummins, > > can't remember if it was on the 24v engines or the 12v engines. > > All I can remember is the killer dowel pin, which was fixed somewhere > around 1996-1998 IIRC. That's it. Thanks. K
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Kevin wrote: > There was something about a weak timing cover in the cummins, > can't remember if it was on the 24v engines or the 12v engines. All I can remember is the killer dowel pin, which was fixed somewhere around 1996-1998 IIRC.
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
The injectors are under the valve covers. The older cummins are louder than other diesels, its normal. David Goldsmith wrote: Hi, folks! Wife and I are on the verge of buying an '00 Dodge 2500 diesel to run on biodiesel. My main concern, given my history, is with fuel injector return lines. On examining the engine, I noted that the injectors appear to be inside the engine block, or at least not have return lines. Which of these is in fact the case? If the injectors are inside the block, do they have return lines, and if so, are they made of rubber, metal, or what? If made of non-Viton rubber, how difficult is it to get at them to replace them? Are there any other biodiesel-related issues particular to Cummins diesels of this era of which we should be aware? Also, the engine was louder than we expected (and we've heard other diesels, including other diesel pick-ups which we've test driven, but all these were Fords) but otherwise seemed to run smoothly; could that be cause for concern? Finally, about when do these vehicles need the timing belt replaced, and about how expensive a service is that (parts and labor)? Sorry to bother you, and thanks! DG __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Thanks! DG --- Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 12:54:50PM -0700, David > Goldsmith wrote: > > Hi, folks! Wife and I are on the verge of buying > an > > '00 Dodge 2500 diesel to run on biodiesel. My > main > > concern, given my history, is with fuel injector > > return lines. On examining the engine, I noted > that > > the injectors appear to be inside the engine > block, or > > at least not have return lines. Which of these is > in > > fact the case? If the injectors are inside the > block, > > do they have return lines, and if so, are they > made of > > rubber, metal, or what? If made of non-Viton > rubber, > > how difficult is it to get at them to replace > them? > > I don't believe that the cummins has external return > lines, so I > wouldn't be worried about that. > > > Are there any other biodiesel-related issues > > particular to Cummins diesels of this era of which > we > > should be aware? > > The Cummins has a fuel lubricated injector pump. If > the IP doesn't > get enough fuel and you have your foot into it, > damage will occur. > The biodiesel will likely lube the IP better than > dino diesel, as long > as it gets enough of it (i.e. bad lift pumps, > partially clogged filters > towing heavy loads for a long time, etc). > > This isn't bio related, but those are a stone cold > b!tch to get started > if you run them out of fuel. One of my friends did > that, and it required > loosening injectors - the primer pump wasn't enough. > > > Also, the engine was louder than we expected (and > > we've heard other diesels, including other diesel > > pick-ups which we've test driven, but all these > were > > Fords) but otherwise seemed to run smoothly; could > > that be cause for concern? > > The cummins for whatever reason was much louder than > the IDI > GM engine of that year, and the DI powerchoke. It > also outweighs > both. > > > Finally, about when do these vehicles need the > timing > > belt replaced, and about how expensive a service > is > > that (parts and labor)? > > There was something about a weak timing cover in the > cummins, > can't remember if it was on the 24v engines or the > 12v engines. > Regardless, the timing chain doesn't have a short > service interval > like a TDI. There is also a certain range of blocks > you want to avoid. > There is a faq out there somewhere about this - > check tdr or other ram > web forums for that. > > K > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 12:54:50PM -0700, David Goldsmith wrote: > Hi, folks! Wife and I are on the verge of buying an > '00 Dodge 2500 diesel to run on biodiesel. My main > concern, given my history, is with fuel injector > return lines. On examining the engine, I noted that > the injectors appear to be inside the engine block, or > at least not have return lines. Which of these is in > fact the case? If the injectors are inside the block, > do they have return lines, and if so, are they made of > rubber, metal, or what? If made of non-Viton rubber, > how difficult is it to get at them to replace them? I don't believe that the cummins has external return lines, so I wouldn't be worried about that. > Are there any other biodiesel-related issues > particular to Cummins diesels of this era of which we > should be aware? The Cummins has a fuel lubricated injector pump. If the IP doesn't get enough fuel and you have your foot into it, damage will occur. The biodiesel will likely lube the IP better than dino diesel, as long as it gets enough of it (i.e. bad lift pumps, partially clogged filters towing heavy loads for a long time, etc). This isn't bio related, but those are a stone cold b!tch to get started if you run them out of fuel. One of my friends did that, and it required loosening injectors - the primer pump wasn't enough. > Also, the engine was louder than we expected (and > we've heard other diesels, including other diesel > pick-ups which we've test driven, but all these were > Fords) but otherwise seemed to run smoothly; could > that be cause for concern? The cummins for whatever reason was much louder than the IDI GM engine of that year, and the DI powerchoke. It also outweighs both. > Finally, about when do these vehicles need the timing > belt replaced, and about how expensive a service is > that (parts and labor)? There was something about a weak timing cover in the cummins, can't remember if it was on the 24v engines or the 12v engines. Regardless, the timing chain doesn't have a short service interval like a TDI. There is also a certain range of blocks you want to avoid. There is a faq out there somewhere about this - check tdr or other ram web forums for that. K
[MBZ] Making a 2000 Dodge 2500 diesel "Biodiesel ready"
Hi, folks! Wife and I are on the verge of buying an '00 Dodge 2500 diesel to run on biodiesel. My main concern, given my history, is with fuel injector return lines. On examining the engine, I noted that the injectors appear to be inside the engine block, or at least not have return lines. Which of these is in fact the case? If the injectors are inside the block, do they have return lines, and if so, are they made of rubber, metal, or what? If made of non-Viton rubber, how difficult is it to get at them to replace them? Are there any other biodiesel-related issues particular to Cummins diesels of this era of which we should be aware? Also, the engine was louder than we expected (and we've heard other diesels, including other diesel pick-ups which we've test driven, but all these were Fords) but otherwise seemed to run smoothly; could that be cause for concern? Finally, about when do these vehicles need the timing belt replaced, and about how expensive a service is that (parts and labor)? Sorry to bother you, and thanks! DG __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
