Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
A giant groundhog patrols the perimeter of my property so I don't need
any firearms or other means of protection when I venture outside.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My home defense is against squirrels, and .177 pellets suffice - they are
> plenty cheap.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The only home ammo I need is a cat who prefers to kill mice rather than
> toy
> > with them.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And even worse on snow.
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/11/2017 6:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> High mileage tar, like the Michelin, or BF Goodrich, and some
> badyears,
> > >> are generally BAD on water/
> > >>
> > >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> > >>> November 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
> > >>> For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions,
> cost
> > >>> would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction.
> If
> > >>> this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-02 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
My home defense is against squirrels, and .177 pellets suffice - they are
plenty cheap.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The only home ammo I need is a cat who prefers to kill mice rather than toy
> with them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > And even worse on snow.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
> > On 01/11/2017 6:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> High mileage tar, like the Michelin, or BF Goodrich, and some badyears,
> >> are generally BAD on water/
> >>
> >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> >>> November 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
> >>> For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
> >>> would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
> >>> this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
The only home ammo I need is a cat who prefers to kill mice rather than toy
with them.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And even worse on snow.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 01/11/2017 6:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> High mileage tar, like the Michelin, or BF Goodrich, and some badyears,
>> are generally BAD on water/
>>
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>>> November 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
>>> For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
>>> would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
>>> this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 

And even worse on snow.

RB

On 01/11/2017 6:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
High mileage tar, like the Michelin, or BF Goodrich, and some 
badyears, are generally BAD on water/



OK Don via Mercedes 
November 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.



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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>
> If we are talking safety, does cost matter?


Unless you are rich (defn: never need to consider the cost of anything)
_of_course_ it matters!  It's a resource allocation game.  If you spend
more on tires, and can no longer afford ammunition for your home defense
system, _are_ you actually safer?

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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
High mileage tar, like the Michelin, or BF Goodrich, and some badyears, 
are generally BAD on water/



OK Don via Mercedes 
November 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.



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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes 
It was less than $600 shipped for a set of 4.  They are listed on Tire Rack in 
the size I needed for $154 per tire.  When I bought them they had some special 
for $30 bucks off per tire.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

Cost??

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least 
> 20k miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed 
> in heavy rain and they never lose traction.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.
>  I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior
> wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this 
> is a valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were 
> great.  I'm not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car 
> when I bought them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced 
> them with some used Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did 
> apparently have an alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the 
> outside edge.  I replaced them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have 
> driven in some nasty rain storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the 
> Sumitomo and the prior
> Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying
> to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these 
> Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the 
> interstate and there were several times I experienced a little 
> slippage/hydroplaning
> on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some reviewers
> complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> >
> >
> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My 
> >> guess
> is they should be replaced.
> >
> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 
> > years
> was indoors?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
I've actually done really well with my last batch of Chinesium snow tires. Last 
winter we were driving home in a snow storm in Angie's Golf when an accident on 
the other side of the road shot a car into our lane. I stomped on the binders 
thinking "There is no way..." but amazingly the car stopped perfectly, tracked 
in a straight line and halted about 10 feet from where the other car (same year 
Jetta actually) shot across the road in front of us.
I got us pulled to the side of the road, got out of the car and immediately 
slipped and fell...
 
-Curt


On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 1:50:19 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Many tire brands are safe. This is a false choice.
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > For what? The tires? Can’t say I remember. Was probably about $130 each
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cost??
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least
> > 20k miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in
> > heavy rain and they never lose traction.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin
> > Premiere.  I have already put 7,000 miles on them.  They are marketed
> for
> > superior wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience
> > this is a valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were
> > great.  I'm not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car
> when I
> > bought them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with
> some
> > used Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an
> > alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced
> > them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain
> > storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior
> > Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.  I am still trying
> > to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these
> > Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate
> > and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning
> > on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!    Some
> reviewers
> > complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> > They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> > >> >
> > >> > Don Snook
> > >> >
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> > >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My
> > guess is they should be replaced.
> > >> >
> > >> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12
> years
> > was indoors?
> > >> >
> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
For those who frequently drive longer distances in wet conditions, cost
would be a lesser factor in choosing tires relative to wet traction. If
this scenario fits you, then ask how good, not how expensive.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Many tire brands are safe. This is a false choice.
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > For what? The tires? Can’t say I remember. Was probably about $130 each
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cost??
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least
> > 20k miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in
> > heavy rain and they never lose traction.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin
> > Premiere.   I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed
> for
> > superior wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience
> > this is a valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were
> > great.  I'm not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car
> when I
> > bought them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with
> some
> > used Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an
> > alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced
> > them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain
> > storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior
> > Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying
> > to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these
> > Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate
> > and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning
> > on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some
> reviewers
> > complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> > They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> > >> >
> > >> > Don Snook
> > >> >
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> > >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My
> > guess is they should be replaced.
> > >> >
> > >> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12
> years
> > was indoors?
> > >> >
> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Many tire brands are safe. This is a false choice.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For what? The tires? Can’t say I remember. Was probably about $130 each
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Cost??
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least
> 20k miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in
> heavy rain and they never lose traction.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin
> Premiere.   I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for
> superior wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience
> this is a valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were
> great.  I'm not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car when I
> bought them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with some
> used Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an
> alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced
> them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain
> storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior
> Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying
> to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these
> Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate
> and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning
> on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some reviewers
> complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> >> >
> >> > Don Snook
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My
> guess is they should be replaced.
> >> >
> >> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years
> was indoors?
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
For what? The tires? Can’t say I remember. Was probably about $130 each

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Cost??
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least 20k 
>> miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in heavy 
>> rain and they never lose traction.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.   
>> > I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior 
>> > wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this is a 
>> > valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were great.  I'm 
>> > not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car when I bought 
>> > them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with some used 
>> > Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an 
>> > alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced 
>> > them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain 
>> > storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior 
>> > Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying 
>> > to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these 
>> > Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate 
>> > and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning 
>> > on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some 
>> > reviewers complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road 
>> > noise.  They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior 
>> > Michelins.
>> >
>> > Don Snook
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
>> >
>> >
>> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is 
>> >> they should be replaced.
>> >
>> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years was 
>> > indoors?
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
If we are talking safety, does cost matter?

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cost??
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least 20k
> > miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in heavy
> > rain and they never lose traction.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.
> >  I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior
> > wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this is
> a
> > valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were great.  I'm
> > not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car when I bought
> > them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with some used
> > Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an
> > alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced
> > them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain
> > storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior
> > Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying
> > to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these
> > Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate
> > and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning
> > on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some
> reviewers
> > complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> > They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> > >
> > > Don Snook
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> > >
> > >
> > >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess
> > is they should be replaced.
> > >
> > > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years
> > was indoors?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Cost??

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least 20k
> miles and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in heavy
> rain and they never lose traction.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.
>  I have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior
> wet and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this is a
> valid claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were great.  I'm
> not sure how many miles they had as they were on the car when I bought
> them.  But, they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with some used
> Sumitomo and I thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an
> alignment issue and they were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced
> them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have driven in some nasty rain
> storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior
> Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   I am still trying
> to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I think these
> Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the interstate
> and there were several times I experienced a little slippage/hydroplaning
> on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent!Some reviewers
> complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess road noise.
> They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior Michelins.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> >
> >
> >> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess
> is they should be replaced.
> >
> > How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years
> was indoors?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
I have those on my now wrecked 97 e300. I have put probably at least 20k miles 
and they are still like new. I can drive nearly full speed in heavy rain and 
they never lose traction. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.   I 
> have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior wet 
> and cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this is a valid 
> claim.  My car had Michelins on it before and they were great.  I'm not sure 
> how many miles they had as they were on the car when I bought them.  But, 
> they lasted a VERY long time.  I replaced them with some used Sumitomo and I 
> thought they were decent.  I did apparently have an alignment issue and they 
> were VERY fast on the outside edge.  I replaced them with the Premiere 2 
> months ago and have driven in some nasty rain storms.  They had MUCH better 
> grip than both the Sumitomo and the prior Michelin.  I am curious how they 
> will do in the snow.   I am still trying to locate a decent set of snow tires 
> for my car.  But, I think these Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 
> 80-85 mph on the interstate and there were several times I experienced a 
> little slippage/hydroplaning on the old set.  But, these new ones have been 
> excellent!Some reviewers complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice 
> any excess road noise.  They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as 
> the prior Michelins. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is 
>> they should be replaced.
> 
> How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years was 
> indoors?
> 
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[MBZ] Michelin Premiere Review was RE: Tires

2017-11-01 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes 
Speaking of tires, I can now provide a review of the Michelin Premiere.   I 
have already put 7,000 miles on them.   They are marketed for superior wet and 
cold traction.  I can report that based on my experience this is a valid claim. 
 My car had Michelins on it before and they were great.  I'm not sure how many 
miles they had as they were on the car when I bought them.  But, they lasted a 
VERY long time.  I replaced them with some used Sumitomo and I thought they 
were decent.  I did apparently have an alignment issue and they were VERY fast 
on the outside edge.  I replaced them with the Premiere 2 months ago and have 
driven in some nasty rain storms.  They had MUCH better grip than both the 
Sumitomo and the prior Michelin.  I am curious how they will do in the snow.   
I am still trying to locate a decent set of snow tires for my car.  But, I 
think these Premiere will do pretty well.  My commute is 80-85 mph on the 
interstate and there were several times I experienced a little 
slippage/hydroplaning on the old set.  But, these new ones have been excellent! 
   Some reviewers complain about road noise.  But, I don't notice any excess 
road noise.  They are quieter than the Sumitomo and as quiet as the prior 
Michelins. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Mitch Haley [mailto:mi...@mitchellhaley.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires


> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is they 
> should be replaced.

How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years was 
indoors?


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