Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 19:02:29 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > 3000-3500 lbs The manual says with options it can weigh up to 4000 lbs (1814.3695 kg). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
I’m excited to see what it can do. I’m more excited about the Ranalah English wheel I’m getting in the bundle! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Get it, unless it's totally junk. Our old South Bend 10K lathe is very > useful for lots of things, even though it's mostly worn out. I need to > rebuild it, but I don't want to stop the airplane projects long enough to > do it. I just make do, and it's close enough for the work I've been doing > with it. > >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:29 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was >> already consummated. Fingers crossed! >> >> If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has >> a few Pullmax machines! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I work like 5 miles from Chicago. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe >>> >>> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in >> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I >> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe >> and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to >> figure out how to run it on my residential service. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful >>>> attention to the following items: >>>> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash >>>> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along >>>> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. >>>> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little >>>> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the >>>> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play >> and >>>> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of >> the >>>> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from >>>> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper >> seals >>>> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. >>>> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws >> are >>>> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't >> have >>>> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs >> against >>>> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not >> be >>>> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, >>>> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross >> slide >>>> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is >>>> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with >> cutting >>>> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, >> let >>>> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make >>>> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw >> is >>>> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth >> cuts >>>> won't be made. >>>> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with >>>> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be >> split >>>> nuts. >>>> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, >> more >>>> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. >>>> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? >>>> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? >>>> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small >> parts >>>> for repeat cuts and production of small p
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
3000-3500 lbs Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder what it weighs? > > Randy > > >> On 09/01/2023 4:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever that means. >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
I wonder what it weighs? Randy On 09/01/2023 4:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html Randy On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever that means. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Get it, unless it's totally junk. Our old South Bend 10K lathe is very useful for lots of things, even though it's mostly worn out. I need to rebuild it, but I don't want to stop the airplane projects long enough to do it. I just make do, and it's close enough for the work I've been doing with it. On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:29 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was > already consummated. Fingers crossed! > > If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has > a few Pullmax machines! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I work like 5 miles from Chicago. > > > > > > Rick > > > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe > > > > Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in > Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I > want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe > and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to > figure out how to run it on my residential service. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful > >> attention to the following items: > >> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash > >> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along > >> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. > >> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little > >> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the > >> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play > and > >> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of > the > >> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from > >> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper > seals > >> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. > >> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws > are > >> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't > have > >> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs > against > >> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not > be > >> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, > >> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross > slide > >> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is > >> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with > cutting > >> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, > let > >> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make > >> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw > is > >> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth > cuts > >> won't be made. > >> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with > >> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be > split > >> nuts. > >> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, > more > >> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. > >> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? > >> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? > >> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small > parts > >> for repeat cuts and production of small parts? > >> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or > >> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? > >> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the > lathe? > >> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt > >> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. > >> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it > >>
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html > > Randy > > >> On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. >> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, >> whatever that means. >> >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was already consummated. Fingers crossed! If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has a few Pullmax machines! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > I work like 5 miles from Chicago. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe > > Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in > Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want > so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and > photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out > how to run it on my residential service. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful >> attention to the following items: >> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash >> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along >> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. >> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little >> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the >> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and >> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the >> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from >> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals >> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. >> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are >> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have >> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against >> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be >> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, >> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide >> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is >> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting >> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let >> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make >> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is >> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts >> won't be made. >> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with >> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split >> nuts. >> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more >> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. >> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? >> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? >> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts >> for repeat cuts and production of small parts? >> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or >> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? >> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe? >> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt >> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. >> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it >> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job. >> 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much. >> Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world? >> You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and >> written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing. >> Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping. >> [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ] >> >>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a >>> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check >>> the
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html Randy On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever that means. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
I work like 5 miles from Chicago. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful > attention to the following items: > 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash > [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along > the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. > 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little > traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the > center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and > leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the > gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from > getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals > are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. > 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are > what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have > an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against > a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be > worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, > 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide > back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is > engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting > tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let > the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make > threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is > worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts > won't be made. > 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with > fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split > nuts. > Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more > free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. > 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? > 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? > 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts > for repeat cuts and production of small parts? > 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or > worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? > 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe? > Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt > drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. > 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it > was done nicely,,, not a kluge job. > 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much. > Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world? > You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and > written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing. > Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping. > [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ] > >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a >> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check >> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of >> play. i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery >> several decades old. It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily >> available, I don't know about this brand >> >> --FT >> >>> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. >> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, >> whatever that means. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> &
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Yes, Jaime is using a VFD to power a 3 phase air compressor in his garage. Looks like I’ll probably go that route. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 16:37, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in >> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I >> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the >> lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I >> have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. > > I knew a guy that had set up a machine shop in his gargage, he somehow used > an extra three-phase motor (maybe as a generator?) to create three-phase > power in the shop. Nowadays I think variable frequency drives are the way to > do this electronically. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 16:37, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in > Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I > want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the > lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I > have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. I knew a guy that had set up a machine shop in his gargage, he somehow used an extra three-phase motor (maybe as a generator?) to create three-phase power in the shop. Nowadays I think variable frequency drives are the way to do this electronically. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful > attention to the following items: > 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash > [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along > the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. > 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little > traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the > center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and > leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the > gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from > getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals > are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. > 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are > what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have > an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against > a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be > worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, > 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide > back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is > engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting > tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let > the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make > threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is > worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts > won't be made. > 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with > fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split > nuts. > Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more > free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. > 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? > 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? > 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts > for repeat cuts and production of small parts? > 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or > worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? > 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe? > Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt > drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. > 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it > was done nicely,,, not a kluge job. > 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much. > Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world? > You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and > written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing. > Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping. > [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ] > >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a >> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check >> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of >> play. i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery >> several decades old. It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily >> available, I don't know about this brand >> >> --FT >> >>> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. >> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, >> whatever that means. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Thank you. I’ll look it over. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > I don't know anything about it, but I did find a link to the manual for it: > http://me.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Monarch-10EE-Lathe-Manual.pdf > > >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:52 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. >> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, >> whatever that means. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > are wearing." > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be > doing it." >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 00:52, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. > Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, > whatever that means. Based on glancing through the manual that Don posted, probably no longer uses vacuum tube rectifiers, maybe other components that are no longer available have been replaced with modern equivalents. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
The full manual that Don posted the link for is refreshingly exact and complete. Very typical for how things were done back when the lathe was new. Worked well then, still works well... Suggest you print and save for future ownership and use. Well done Don ! On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 10:47 AM G Mann wrote: > I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful > attention to the following items: > 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash > [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along > the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. > 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little > traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the > center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and > leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the > gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from > getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals > are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. > 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws > are what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't > have an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs > against a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should > not be worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, > 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross > slide back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is > engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting > tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let > the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make > threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is > worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts > won't be made. > 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with > fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split > nuts. > Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more > free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. > 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? > 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? > 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts > for repeat cuts and production of small parts? > 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or > worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? > 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the > lathe? Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat > belt drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. > 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it > was done nicely,,, not a kluge job. > 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much. > Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world? > You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and > written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing. > Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female > shopping. > [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ] > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a >> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check >> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of >> play. i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery >> several decades old. It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily >> available, I don't know about this brand >> >> --FT >> >> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. >> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, >> whatever that means. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful attention to the following items: 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock. 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse. 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws, 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts won't be made. 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split nuts. Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results. 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they? 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with? 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts for repeat cuts and production of small parts? 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage? 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe? Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely.. 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it was done nicely,,, not a kluge job. 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much. Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world? You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing. Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping. [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ] On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a > standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check > the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of > play. i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery > several decades old. It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily > available, I don't know about this brand > > --FT > > On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. > Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, > whatever that means. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe. These were a standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of play. i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery several decades old. It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily available, I don't know about this brand --FT On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever that means. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
I don't know anything about it, but I did find a link to the manual for it: http://me.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Monarch-10EE-Lathe-Manual.pdf On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:52 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. > Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, > whatever that means. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be doing it." -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever that means. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch
That's a real blast from the past. And it should probably stay there... The grille is the only attractive feature. On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Mercury > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > > Butterfly? > > > >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Should do you for another 20. > >> > > >> > Dwight Giles Jr. > >> > Wickford RI > >> > > >> > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I > have > >> >> seen in probably 20 years. > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> >> ___ > >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch
Mercury Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > Butterfly? > >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Should do you for another 20. >> > >> > Dwight Giles Jr. >> > Wickford RI >> > >> > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have >> >> seen in probably 20 years. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch
Butterfly? On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Should do you for another 20. > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > > > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have > >> seen in probably 20 years. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monarch
They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > Should do you for another 20. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have >> seen in probably 20 years. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Should do you for another 20. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have > seen in probably 20 years. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Monarch
I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have seen in probably 20 years. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com