Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah, how do you figure?

You should have seen the look on the guy's face when we rolled up. "You're 
going to haul it in THAT?"
Well sure, the back end sagged a bit and the steering was a little light but 
not so bad as the time Dad and I roofed his house and hauled all the shingles 
in one trip with a Mercury Lynx station wagon...

-Curt

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Curt typed:

"I dunno, I think the 2.2l in my 190D only has 72hp and for the most 
part I 
think its plenty. Even with my wife along and a 250# woodstove in the 
trunk."

Somehow it's just right that weight in Curt's trunk would be a 
woodstove.

Bob Rentfro
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it seems like he might have been suspended for bounces.  NOt sure.  What 
email address do you have?

Joe Knight wrote:

> Anybody know what's up w/ Tom?  Something just came up he might be
> interested in but the email addy I have is kind of ancient and I don't
> recall seeing his moniker in any recent posts.  You out there, Tom?
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Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Bob Rentfro]

Curt typed:

"I dunno, I think the 2.2l in my 190D only has 72hp and for the most part I 
think its plenty. Even with my wife along and a 250# woodstove in the 
trunk."


Somehow it's just right that weight in Curt's trunk would be a woodstove.

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Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Rory]

Our 617 diesels also incorporate a bell-crank mechanism on the throttle
linkage to get approx 80% throttle application with an accellerator
depression of about 50%.

On 11/3/06, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 11/2/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somebody, somewhere please tell me why the hell you need those kind of
> performance numnbers! Is your peepee THAT small that you need to make up
for
> it somehow?? When will this kind of lunacy end??

I think part of the problem is that most people don't like pushing the
accelerator down more than a quarter of the way, half-way at the most.
They're only going to use 100 HP, but they want a 300 HP motor in
their Exploder so they can get all the power they want with just a
3/4" movement of the right foot.

I've noticed that in many Japanese cars I've driven this problem seems
to be "solved" by designing in a nonlinear relationship between the
accelerator and the throttle, so that maximum power is, in fact,
available with only the slightest movement of the pedal.  Of course,
this creates its own set of problems.

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 11/2/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Somebody, somewhere please tell me why the hell you need those kind of
performance numnbers! Is your peepee THAT small that you need to make up for
it somehow?? When will this kind of lunacy end??


I think part of the problem is that most people don't like pushing the
accelerator down more than a quarter of the way, half-way at the most.
They're only going to use 100 HP, but they want a 300 HP motor in
their Exploder so they can get all the power they want with just a
3/4" movement of the right foot.

I've noticed that in many Japanese cars I've driven this problem seems
to be "solved" by designing in a nonlinear relationship between the
accelerator and the throttle, so that maximum power is, in fact,
available with only the slightest movement of the pedal.  Of course,
this creates its own set of problems.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:11:44 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A 1/2 ton truck shouldn't ever really need more than 200hp.

And I thought our old, blue Chevy pickup ('64) with its inline 6 was
adequately powered.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Curt Raymond]

I was thinking the same thing last night when I heard about the new 250hp Honda 
Accord coupe. My Dodge Dakota has like 230hp and its more than you'd ever need. 
I'm thinking the most a car should ever need is 150hp and a fullsize pickup 
only around 300hp and thats for a real serious 1 ton work truck. A 1/2 ton 
truck shouldn't ever really need more than 200hp.

The only time I ever thought my Dakota could use more power was pulling 6000# 
up a steep grade from a standing start. But that was really more weight than I 
should have been pulling and once the grade started to taper it was really no 
big deal and if the transmission had more gears at closer ratios or if my truck 
had a manual trans it wouldn't have been an issue. Unfortunately most people 
are only as smart as squirrels. I've had lots of people tell me a car the size 
of a Civic with 150hp needed more power "to be safe". 

I dunno, I think the 2.2l in my 190D only has 72hp and for the most part I 
think its plenty. Even with my wife along and a 250# woodstove in the trunk..


-Curt
 
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Anybody know what's up w/ Tom?  Something just came up he might be
interested in but the email addy I have is kind of ancient and I don't
recall seeing his moniker in any recent posts.  You out there, Tom?

-j

Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Rich Thomas]

'You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do 
your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If 
you don't, you get stuck driving high-powered diesel SUVs.'


JFK-H

Jeff Zedic wrote:

Somebody, somewhere please tell me why the hell you need those kind of
performance numnbers! Is your peepee THAT small that you need to make up for
it somehow?? When will this kind of lunacy end??

  

Re: [MBZ] New Audi

[Jeff Zedic]

Somebody, somewhere please tell me why the hell you need those kind of
performance numnbers! Is your peepee THAT small that you need to make up for
it somehow?? When will this kind of lunacy end??

It's absolutely shameful that all the new engine technologies have been used
to create unnecessary "performance". Then we all have a good moan about
idiot drivers thinking they're in F1!

My 124TD has pleanty of get up and go.

I guess it's really a way for the powerless of the world to pretend they're
powerful.sad..


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

[MBZ] New Audi

[LarryT]

The latest Car & Draive has a one page blurb about a new Audi SUV with a V12 
Diesel with twin turbo's and intercoolers - giving almost 500hp and 740 
torque!


Will MB offer a competitor anytime soon?

The Audi V12 TDI gets ~20mpg, with the speed limited at 155mph!  It can be 
yours for only $110,000.

The common rail injection operates at 29,000psi thru 12 piezoinjectors -

Cool stuff - I know the new MB GL offers a diesel - but I don't think it's 
that incredible.  I could be wrong though -


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