Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
I've use Hylomar in the past on my boat engine (Diesel, of course). Hylomar is a gasket dressing that never gets hard and is easy to disassemble later. Good for stuff you might need to disassemble later (which is the usual case with old machines). Also, it's relatively un-messy compared to some gasket dressing. See: http://www.hylomarsealant.com/ Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement I've also heard raves about something called Hylomar but never tried it myself. Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: Napa sells it under the permatex brand. 51817 or 51813? I always get the permatex number wrong. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
I've also heard raves about something called Hylomar but never tried it myself. Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: Napa sells it under the permatex brand. 51817 or 51813? I always get the permatex number wrong. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
The problem is some folks use RTV as a gasket where of it squeezes out and breaks off inside the engine. And those little chunks are great at plugging oil passages. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The IP to block oring is important to replace. i coat it with just a little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly. I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Marshall often said things that were not exactly true. On 12/24/2011 12:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Has anyone had experience with, or know anything about, Permatex Right Stuff Gasket maker? Its supposedly used on some new cars in place of gaskets. The version I tried came in a pressurized can and was somewhat difficult to work with compared to regular Permatex in a tube. I used it with a gasket. Might be easier to apply without a gasket. Gerry I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
I swear by Loctite 518. Stuff is magic. Walt On Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Has anyone had experience with, or know anything about, Permatex Right Stuff Gasket maker? Its supposedly used on some new cars in place of gaskets. The version I tried came in a pressurized can and was somewhat difficult to work with compared to regular Permatex in a tube. I used it with a gasket. Might be easier to apply without a gasket. Gerry I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Thanks; I'll try it if I can find it. We have NAPA, Autozone, Advance, and 3 or 4 independent parts houses. Gerry I swear by Loctite 518. Stuff is magic. Walt On Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Has anyone had experience with, or know anything about, Permatex Right Stuff Gasket maker? Its supposedly used on some new cars in place of gaskets. The version I tried came in a pressurized can and was somewhat difficult to work with compared to regular Permatex in a tube. I used it with a gasket. Might be easier to apply without a gasket. Gerry I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4100 - Release Date: 12/24/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Napa sells it under the permatex brand. 51817 or 51813? I always get the permatex number wrong. Walt On Dec 24, 2011 8:37 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks; I'll try it if I can find it. We have NAPA, Autozone, Advance, and 3 or 4 independent parts houses. Gerry I swear by Loctite 518. Stuff is magic. Walt On Dec 24, 2011 7:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Has anyone had experience with, or know anything about, Permatex Right Stuff Gasket maker? Its supposedly used on some new cars in place of gaskets. The version I tried came in a pressurized can and was somewhat difficult to work with compared to regular Permatex in a tube. I used it with a gasket. Might be easier to apply without a gasket. Gerry I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. I think he was talking about cases where you see a huge bead of RTV squeezed out between two surfaces. Using a tiny bit to hold a seal in place I think would be a different matter. I tend to use Permatex gasket adhesive for that sort of thing. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4100 - Release Date: 12/24/11 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The IP to block oring is important to replace. i coat it with just a little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly. I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no such prohibition in any of the MB literature I have. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
You probably don't recall that my SDL (~310K) had a freeze plug leak behind the IP a couple months ago. I have the SWMBO go-ahead now, so I'm getting really close to making the parts order. I found this writeup of the job itself: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM603InjectionPump and aside from the holder widget I think I have what I need, except for the freeze plugs themselves. Someone had suggested the remaining ones might have similar issues, so I will definitely order some extras and check. However, since I don't want to have to take the IP off for a while, what IP seals/parts must I replace? Is it worth replacing the miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above? Anything else? I've had no complaints about the engine's running, but similarly I don't want to introduce a leak or put off some other common maintenance task that would require removing the IP again. :) Thanks! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
On Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: what IP seals/parts must I replace? Is it worth replacing the miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above? In my experience, all high-mileage OM603 IPs either leak from multiple seals or will in the near future. Better to just do them all at once while it's convenient if you mean to keep the car a while. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Only places I have seen them leak is the orings for the delivery valves and the oring for the shutoff, and the bottom plate. All of that can be done in the car. The bottom plate and the shutoff are easier if the pump is out anyhow. To me, the delivery valve springs and seals are easier in the car or with the pump bolted to an engine. The IP to block oring is important to replace. i coat it with just a little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly. On Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: what IP seals/parts must I replace? Is it worth replacing the miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above? In my experience, all high-mileage OM603 IPs either leak from multiple seals or will in the near future. Better to just do them all at once while it's convenient if you mean to keep the car a while. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement
Here is my 2ยข: About the parts: YES 601-238-07-80 Vacuum pump gasket to block YES 013-997-81-48 I/P ELR O-ring NO 001-074-43-80 I/P rear governor gasket I'd never mess with separating the governor from the pump. That is for the injection shop. YES 004-997-46-40 I/P bottom cover O-ring Check to see if you need it 001-074-11-80 I/P side plate gasket YES 2! 012-997-83-48 I/P to block O-ring (a spare in case you bugger one. NO 010-997-56-48 I/P vacuum shutoff valve O-ring never seen one leak. YES 009-997-81-48 I/P shutoff lever O-ring NO 000-091-17-80 lift pump gasket leave it alone. No need to take it off. This is for the delivery valves: GOOD! I used Viton O-rings from forum member JADavis (8) and here are the copper crush washer part numbers: YES 004-997-45-40 Copper washers (8) I always change the delivery valve springs when I do the orings. I sent you a separate email that includes the delivery valve spring part number. I always change them when I have the valves apart. I also recommend ordering a couple extra orings and copper seals, because I always bugger up at least one. You don't need viton orings unless you use a lot of B100 or B99. I can loan/rent the splined socket for the delivery valves and the IP lock if I can find my lock. Q will sell them to you also. That is Dave M's writeup. He probably has had spare IPs to mess with and learn how to separate the IP from the governor and reassemble. I was taught to not mess with the IP other than delivery valve. If you screw up the calibration, it can cost big bucks. Good luck. You probably don't recall that my SDL (~310K) had a freeze plug leak behind the IP a couple months ago. I have the SWMBO go-ahead now, so I'm getting really close to making the parts order. I found this writeup of the job itself: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM603InjectionPump and aside from the holder widget I think I have what I need, except for the freeze plugs themselves. Someone had suggested the remaining ones might have similar issues, so I will definitely order some extras and check. However, since I don't want to have to take the IP off for a while, what IP seals/parts must I replace? Is it worth replacing the miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above? Anything else? I've had no complaints about the engine's running, but similarly I don't want to introduce a leak or put off some other common maintenance task that would require removing the IP again. :) Thanks! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
