Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[mykd1]

who said anything about metalrgy? He asked what knurling was and I explained it
nothing complicated there 
 
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From: Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This is getting way too complicated here..Knurling the valve guides 
simply refers to making marks, or gouges on the outside of the guide in 
order to make it fit tighter into the head therefore it stays in place and 
does not allow oil past.  No complicated metalurgy involved.

Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


> Knurling is actually a machining process that raises the metal and leaves 
> sort of a bumpy cross hatch surface. Sometimes its used to recondition 
> used pistons and valves instead of replacing with new. Knurling only works 
> when the wear is not excessive and the used part is within wear specs and 
> there are no cracks in the metal
>
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?
>
>
> Ed Booher wrote:
>> And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?
>>
>> On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Trampas
>
> That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon
> become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.
>
> Marshall
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

If you are doing the repairs yourself then the cost to fix the MB is 
generally no more than any other vehicle especially considerring the 
frequency of needed repairs(on avarage of course) between the two.


 I guess if you are paying a mechanic you could be in for trouble but the 
"Good ole boys"  around here aren't afraid of a Benzjust wrenchin is 
all, no matter what you're wrenchin on.


Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?



On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Let me tell you a story...

I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 
banger
Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and 
off

and running, well head cracked again, and again...


The problem with any and all of the 4 cyl vans was that they were
putting an engine rated for a small sedan/coupe (ala the Horizon /
Mirage) and putting it in a vehicle easily twice the weight, sometimes
three times the weight and expecting that to be ok.

Finally a friend of mine had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped 
engine,
transmission, computers etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not 
have

power anything so I put power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you
know what I had, that is right a POS caravan.


Hey, a POS caravan beats a POS Metro pretty much any day of the week,
right? Especially when you give the Metro it's engine back and put a
V6 between the frame rails.

My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it 
does

a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.


While I do not discredit your desire to be in a W126, it's hard to say
that the amount of money to fix the Caravan is equal to the amount of
money to fix the MB. Especially when taking into consideration the
amount of "Good ol' Boys" throughout the Midwest and South that just
know more about a "`Merican" vehicle. Even if that American vehicle
was built in Mexico and has a Japanese engine in it. It is truly hard
to find a *good* mechanic for a MB, which is why this list exists in
the first place.


Regards,
Trampas



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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

This is getting way too complicated here..Knurling the valve guides 
simply refers to making marks, or gouges on the outside of the guide in 
order to make it fit tighter into the head therefore it stays in place and 
does not allow oil past.  No complicated metalurgy involved.


Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Knurling is actually a machining process that raises the metal and leaves 
sort of a bumpy cross hatch surface. Sometimes its used to recondition 
used pistons and valves instead of replacing with new. Knurling only works 
when the wear is not excessive and the used part is within wear specs and 
there are no cracks in the metal


69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata


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Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Ed Booher wrote:

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...

Regards,
Trampas


That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me tell you a story...
>
> I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 banger
> Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and off
> and running, well head cracked again, and again...

The problem with any and all of the 4 cyl vans was that they were
putting an engine rated for a small sedan/coupe (ala the Horizon /
Mirage) and putting it in a vehicle easily twice the weight, sometimes
three times the weight and expecting that to be ok.

> Finally a friend of mine had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped engine,
> transmission, computers etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not have
> power anything so I put power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you
> know what I had, that is right a POS caravan.

Hey, a POS caravan beats a POS Metro pretty much any day of the week,
right? Especially when you give the Metro it's engine back and put a
V6 between the frame rails.

> My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it does
> a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.

While I do not discredit your desire to be in a W126, it's hard to say
that the amount of money to fix the Caravan is equal to the amount of
money to fix the MB. Especially when taking into consideration the
amount of "Good ol' Boys" throughout the Midwest and South that just
know more about a "`Merican" vehicle. Even if that American vehicle
was built in Mexico and has a Japanese engine in it. It is truly hard
to find a *good* mechanic for a MB, which is why this list exists in
the first place.

> Regards,
> Trampas


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[mykd1]

Knurling is actually a machining process that raises the metal and leaves sort 
of a bumpy cross hatch surface. Sometimes its used to recondition used pistons 
and valves instead of replacing with new. Knurling only works when the wear is 
not excessive and the used part is within wear specs and there are no cracks in 
the metal
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Sent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


Ed Booher wrote:
> And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?
> 
> On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>>
>>Regards,
>>Trampas

That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon 
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Osss, my screw up.

On 10/11/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> >
> > Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> > arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more
> oil
> > for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the
> metal
> > about .005 deep for rapid wear.
>
> It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the
> guide
> to keep it from falling loose from the head.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

It was the outside of the guide. It may have been the correct repair but it
worked for remainder of the life of the vehicles, which was about another
50-70k miles. 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
> for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the
metal
> about .005 deep for rapid wear.

It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the guide
to keep it from falling loose from the head.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mitch Haley]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
> for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the metal
> about .005 deep for rapid wear.

It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the guide
to keep it from falling loose from the head.

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the metal
about .005 deep for rapid wear. Silicone bronze guides? Most OE engines that
use bronze guides wear is not a issue. Bottom line don't do it even if you
plan to sell the car.

On 10/11/05, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?
>
> On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Let me tell you a story... 

I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 banger
Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and off
and running, well head cracked again, and again... Finally a friend of mine
had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped engine, transmission, computers
etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not have power anything so I put
power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you know what I had, that is
right a POS caravan. 

My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it does
a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

Being cheap and evil myself, I would find a high threshold for hassling 
to get a franken van made.  Once it gets to over $30k in hassle, I 
would look at the newer sprinter.  Until then, I would make it fit

On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 01:09 PM, Ed Booher wrote:

> True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
> yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
> mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
> you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
> more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
> the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
> someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
> they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.
>
> *Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
> to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
> several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
> one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
> .. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
> I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.
>
> On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
>> drop the engine in.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

My bad, in is cutting of groves in something like a metal handle. 

http://www.technologystudent.com/equip1/knurl1.htm

As I recall from years gone by, the 3.0L V6 by Mitsu that was used in the
caravan had brass/bronze valve guides and aluminum heads. The valve guides
would come loose from head and start getting oil in cylinders and smoke like
freight trains. The solution was to press out guides, knurl them and press
back in. At least that was what I was told by the machine shop... 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

A knurl is cousin to the churl.:)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Potter, Tom E]

A knurl is cousin to the churl.:)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Marshall Booth]

Ed Booher wrote:

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...

Regards,
Trampas


That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon 
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.


Marshall
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Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

--
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Knurling the valve guides fixed problem... 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote:
> I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
> FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
> about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

Having seen the after effects of the weak valve train of the engine trampas
mentioned, it is not propaganda.

There is a relatively simple fix for the one weak link of the valve train, 
though (of course, I can't remember what it is). 

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote:
> I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
> FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
> about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

Having seen the after effects of the weak valve train of the engine trampas
mentioned, it is not propaganda.

There is a relatively simple fix for the one weak link of the valve train, 
though (of course, I can't remember what it is). 

K

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same Mitsu 3.0L with the valve guide problems?
>
> Regards,
> Trampas


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Same Mitsu 3.0L with the valve guide problems?

Regards,
Trampas 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.

*Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
.. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.

On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
> drop the engine in.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.

*Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
.. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.

On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
> drop the engine in.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[redghost]

That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and 
drop the engine in.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


Why not buy a Sprinter?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

Would be a GREAT dream considderring the 19 mpg highway my Girlfriends 
father gets with his brand new Trailblazer..For the cost in fuel savings 
alone maybe you should look into the MBZ based Sprinter lineup.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?



I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
(about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!

...Kevin
87 300TD 278k mi


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Jeff Zedic]

I spoke with a FedEx employee a copuple of weeks ago that was driving a 
MB badged Sprinter. She told me she had it and not that Dodge thing 
because she was so special. I then told her that the only difference was 
the badging.


Apparently it was FedEx that started this whole thing but didn't want to 
be seen driving MB's because they would be accused of having too much 
money! hahaha


I see at least 10-12 Sprinters a day here in Toronto and as many Smart 
cars as well! And the idiots at MBNA thoguht there'd be no market for 
them! BAH!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

What Jeff said, Buy a Sprinter :) Slightly off topic, I saw a
*Mercedes* Sprinter in Indiana today. Has MB ever sold a properly
badged Sprinter in the NA region? If the guy hadn't been on his way
somewhere (ie filling up, getting out to get lunch, etc) I would have
stopped and asked if he had just bought the proper Euro parts to take
it back to MB badging.

Though  it was a work Sprinter, hauling a small trailer, very
short wheel base, no windows in cargo area  so for a van that was
obviously for work and not show it doesn't make sense that they would
have gone through the trouble to Euro-ize it.

On 10/11/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
> 178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
> seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
> (about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
> got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
> drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
> the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!
>
> ...Kevin
> 87 300TD 278k mi

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Jeff Zedic]

Why not buy a Sprinter?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

[MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Kevin J. Slater]

I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
(about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!

...Kevin
87 300TD 278k mi