Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/02/greenpolitics.hatfield On Feb 23, 2015 6:02 AM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" wrote: > When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind > some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe > a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck > ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was > getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not > only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also > getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting > about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought > this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head > lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned > Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. > > So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the > embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort > of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their > thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no > one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that > it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone > was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had > been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got > even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or > someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty > clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past > it. > > We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the > next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again > and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer > or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... > > --R > > > On 2/22/15 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_ >> SAFETY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Also back in the day, the Pentagon was built in only 16 months. http://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-pentagon > -Original Message- > From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:52 PM > > Here's a pipeline story, one that helped us win WW2. I imagine they didn't do > an environmental impact report before installing this one... > https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv9lBqPVuoE&feature=uploademail > > > On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:40 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Lucky they didn't try to blame it on you! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 23, 2015 9:02:26 AM EST, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: >When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street >behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between >rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every >time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and >the >front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where >there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level >difference, >so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto >it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the >trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers >and >the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little >community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about >it. This went on for months. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past it. We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... --R UP maintains their mainline much better than the old days. Same for BNSF. I used to watch the cars lurching side to side on both these lines. When the rails are only 4'-8.5" apart and the car is 8.5' wide it does not take a lot to tip a box car. The feeder lines are a different story. YMMV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past it. We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... --R On 2/22/15 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Here's a pipeline story, one that helped us win WW2. I imagine they didn't do an environmental impact report before installing this one... https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv9lBqPVuoE&feature=uploademail The country was not run by marxist wackos back then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Here's a pipeline story, one that helped us win WW2. I imagine they didn't do an environmental impact report before installing this one... https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv9lBqPVuoE&feature=uploademail On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:40 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: "Scott Ritchey" Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press Date: February 22, 2015 3:24:09 PM PST No news here. Back in the 70s, I was part of an environmental review for building a pipeline to get jet fuel (JP4 then) to Edwards AFB. Pipelines aren't perfect but they are so much better than truck or rail that the pipeline was a hands-down winner from a safety and environmental perspective. Of course you need to use a lot of the stuff to amortize the cost of building a pipeline > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max > Dillon via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:09 PM > To: Mercedes > Subject: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=AP&SE > CTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press Date: February 22, 2015 3:37:34 PM PST To: Scott Ritchey , Mercedes Discussion List And you also have to maintain and repair your pipeline. Most of the resistance to the Keystone XL comes from the history (rather bad, actually) of the owners. They are notorious for large leaks and poor maintenance along with slow and inadequate response to problems in their existing lines, and I think are responsible for the failure due to poor maintenance of the last two very large spills from pipelines. Even with that pipelines are better than derailing trains with exploding tanker cars. It appears that the new design is just as prone to failure as the old "inadequate" one when you start tossing them around. Tar sands crude requires significant thinning with volatile solvents to move in any way, it is much MORE viscous when "extracted" than road tar. This makes it worse than ordinary crude. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
And you also have to maintain and repair your pipeline. Most of the resistance to the Keystone XL comes from the history (rather bad, actually) of the owners. They are notorious for large leaks and poor maintenance along with slow and inadequate response to problems in their existing lines, and I think are responsible for the failure due to poor maintenance of the last two very large spills from pipelines. Even with that pipelines are better than derailing trains with exploding tanker cars. It appears that the new design is just as prone to failure as the old "inadequate" one when you start tossing them around. Tar sands crude requires significant thinning with volatile solvents to move in any way, it is much MORE viscous when "extracted" than road tar. This makes it worse than ordinary crude. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
No news here. Back in the 70s, I was part of an environmental review for building a pipeline to get jet fuel (JP4 then) to Edwards AFB. Pipelines aren't perfect but they are so much better than truck or rail that the pipeline was a hands-down winner from a safety and environmental perspective. Of course you need to use a lot of the stuff to amortize the cost of building a pipeline > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max > Dillon via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:09 PM > To: Mercedes > Subject: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=AP&SE > CTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals > are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over > the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
