Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
'Thought I remembered posting it somewhere; 'shoulda checked archives. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don WILTON wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, Hey!!! That's not the first time you've told that one. *grin* Last time was 2008 Nov 11. It's still a good story, even if its a re-run. -- Philip, who likes hearing Wilton say 'Reminds me... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
WILTON wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, Hey!!! That's not the first time you've told that one. *grin* Last time was 2008 Nov 11. It's still a good story, even if its a re-run. -- Philip, who likes hearing Wilton say 'Reminds me... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
Excellent - similar to what I'm doing on mine. Your tubing would even have been FAA legal under the owner produced parts clause if you used the original flare nuts. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, I titled it SHADE TREE MECHANICS NASA. 'Should've included that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don Great story! On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
Indeed, we DID use original flare nuts - that's all we had. And, of course, I knew it was appropriate 3000 psi, stainless steel aircraft tubing. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don Excellent - similar to what I'm doing on mine. Your tubing would even have been FAA legal under the owner produced parts clause if you used the original flare nuts. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, I titled it SHADE TREE MECHANICS NASA. 'Should've included that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don Great story! On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign
[MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
LOVE that story. On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:27 PM, WILTON wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
Great story! On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don
BTW, I titled it SHADE TREE MECHANICS NASA. 'Should've included that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don Great story! On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
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Cool story, thanks for sharing. Did the NY ANG guys get some replacement tubing from NASA? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, they never missed it, and I never told 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Cessnas was Ok don Cool story, thanks for sharing. Did the NY ANG guys get some replacement tubing from NASA? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Cessnas reminds me: One evening in early winter of 1978, while I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, I was in my room reading and listening to classical music when Base Commander called and asked me to go over to the Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem with one of their aircraft. They were there with a Cessna Citation and a Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with the National Science Foundation. At the club, Base Commander, who knew that I had also been a B-47E maintenance crew chief before I was commissioned and started flying B-52's., introduced me to the NASA guy. NASA guy had just discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which now, but more likely steering) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation, a small business-type jet aircraft. A small, U-shaped piece of stainless steel tubing under hydraulic pressure of 3000 psi was cracked and leaking. They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished for the season. If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the next couple of days to get a part. After the NASA guy described the problem, I told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up very easily. We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part. It was a U-shaped piece of ¼-inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each end. I vaguely remembered that I had seen some ¼-inch stainless steel tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap. We removed the offending part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger. In the hanger, I could see several six-feet-long pieces of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8-feet-tall chain link fence topped by strands of barbed wire. We drug a work table from across the hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy. I quickly and easily went back up on the table inside the shop and back over the fence. Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer's living quarters to ask him if he may like to help. Years before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels. He was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate part. When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics. When they realized what we were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby. These tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead. Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in friendly competition to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part for the Cessna. Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in such a short piece of stainless steel tubing, short sides of the U leaving little room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right place on each side also. The replacement had to be exactly like the original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction restrictions (space in the wheel well). After several tries, we had an acceptable match visually. We rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a PERFECT fit and no leaking. The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to Los Angeles the next, all without incident. This is just another small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovative spirit and desire to excel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok don Did I hear Cessna??? On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Is your Cessna air worthy? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go
