[MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east, etc.
Lt Don, B-52's have never had Loran; can't rely on outside source for nav info - enemy may turn it off. Therefor, way of life for my era in SAC was DR, celestial, pressure pattern, radar and < 5K bombing/navigation computers. SAC had best long-range navigators in the world. B-52 bomb/nav computers were significantly upgraded/modernized in mid 80's; program is underway to do it again. I think they've even had GPS for several years. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
I rest my case. I had Loran-A, Loran-C, twin VOR, TACAN/DME, twin VHF voice, UHF, VHF-FM, ... By the way, _I_ as the bench tech calibrating this stuff. Nothing makes you accurate calibrating glide slope stuff more than knowing it is YOUR butt these trons are bring home alive. :-) On 3/22/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was flying Dad's Cessna 195, and MY Cessna 140, paid for out of my own pocket! On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account. > > I had the USA subsidizing my avionics package, plus paying me a nICe (<-- > won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly > 'em. > > Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
I was flying Dad's Cessna 195, and MY Cessna 140, paid for out of my own pocket! On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account. I had the USA subsidizing my avionics package, plus paying me a nICe (<-- won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly 'em. Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account. I had the USA subsidizing my avionics package, plus paying me a nICe (<-- won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly 'em. Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS. On 3/22/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sheesh -- I first used LF loops, then moved up to Omni Range - on VHF, in Dad's plane. I just had a little 4 freq. Narco - could talk to some of the towers when I got there (or close enough). The E6B and reports from the FSS was usually close enough (while following the railroad tracks). I don't think there was room for a sextant in my Cessna 140. The auto pilot function was not falling asleep. On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wilton: > > Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you borrowed > from him. > > Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies. > > Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side of > my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and > wouldn't track. > > The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage > area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however. > > Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s. Cross > two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked on > by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a position, > so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down the > piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and ground > speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always knew > where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of > ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C > receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS. > > All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no > plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag -- with > a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the > same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to > apply (successfully) to OCS. > > D. > > On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > - B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a > > grease pencil and chop it with an ax." > > > > "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing > > and > > elevation of the celestial body on the sextant. "Mark with grease pencil" > > refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some > > charts > > nearly a mile wide. "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment > > which > > sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial > > observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead > > reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and > > wind/drift) than on the celestial info. > > > > Wilton > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
Sheesh -- I first used LF loops, then moved up to Omni Range - on VHF, in Dad's plane. I just had a little 4 freq. Narco - could talk to some of the towers when I got there (or close enough). The E6B and reports from the FSS was usually close enough (while following the railroad tracks). I don't think there was room for a sextant in my Cessna 140. The auto pilot function was not falling asleep. On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wilton: Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you borrowed from him. Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies. Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side of my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and wouldn't track. The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however. Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s. Cross two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked on by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a position, so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down the piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and ground speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always knew where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS. All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag -- with a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to apply (successfully) to OCS. D. On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a > grease pencil and chop it with an ax." > > "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing > and > elevation of the celestial body on the sextant. "Mark with grease pencil" > refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some > charts > nearly a mile wide. "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment > which > sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial > observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead > reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and > wind/drift) than on the celestial info. > > Wilton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
Wilton: Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you borrowed from him. Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies. Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side of my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and wouldn't track. The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however. Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s. Cross two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked on by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a position, so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down the piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and ground speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always knew where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS. All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag -- with a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to apply (successfully) to OCS. D. On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a grease pencil and chop it with an ax." "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing and elevation of the celestial body on the sextant. "Mark with grease pencil" refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some charts nearly a mile wide. "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment which sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and wind/drift) than on the celestial info. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
[MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east
- B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a grease pencil and chop it with an ax." "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing and elevation of the celestial body on the sextant. "Mark with grease pencil" refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some charts nearly a mile wide. "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment which sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and wind/drift) than on the celestial info. Wilton
