Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-29 Thread Zeitgeist
Rotary/distributor pumps are lubricated exclusively via the fuel flowing
through them, and thus are vulnerable to the vagaries of fuel quality
(lubricity) and volume fluctuations at high RPMs.  In short, they are less
reliable than inline pumps which are lubricated by engine oil.  Inline pumps
are robust and rarely fail on MBs or other applications.

Do you know what size plunger they use on the Bosch VE (distributor) pumps
found in some 4BTs?

On 7/27/07, Zach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 What is wrong with the rotary pump?

 FWIW the rotarty 4BT pump is the hot ticket when it comes to converting
 the VW TDI to a non-electronic pump.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-28 Thread slozukimc
I think I am going to just end up putting a MBZ engine in my next
M37Much cheaper to find than the Cummins and alot more quiet. 
Probably be just for ramming around and parade duty anyway since I bought
a bigger truck.

Mike

   I have been looking for one of those vans for a donor for the engine
 swap in my M37 but have yet to find a great deal on one.

 You and everybody else.  That's the problem!

 -- Jim


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[MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Kevin Kraly
It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit 
(MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races.  Meanwhile, I happened to 
spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with 
fresh 4BT engines.  They seem low tech and reliable with the mechanical 
injection and the old Turbo 400 tranny (not electronically controlled). 
Hopefully, one of the two trucks will work for them.

KEvin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Mitch Haley


Kevin Kraly wrote:
 
 It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit
 (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races.  Meanwhile, I happened to
 spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with
 fresh 4BT engines. 

4BT/TH400 Frito trucks (usually Chevy/Grumann) can be had as low as $3k
around here, but would be over $4k with recent replacement engines. 
MPG probably nothing to get excited about, IIRC those things are
doing way over 2000 rpm at freeway speeds, might not even be able
to go over 70 because of the governor. See if you can get one with
an inline pump instead of rotary. Probably can't get much over 150hp
out of it unless it's intercooled.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 7/27/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit
 (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races.  Meanwhile, I happened to
 spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with
 fresh 4BT engines.

Sounds like a great deal.  I have seen remanufactured 4BT engines for
$5K alone.  Buy the engine and get the van for free!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Kevin Kraly
See if you can get one with
an inline pump instead of rotary.

Would it be easy to distinguish between the two by the orientation of the 
injector lines in a circle rather than in-line like those on my 300SD?

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300Sd 267Kmio, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Kevin Kraly
remanufactured 4BT engines for
$5K alone.

WOW!  That's quite a chunk of change!  Of course, this is biodiesel/vegoil 
heaven, so anything goes.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Zach

What is wrong with the rotary pump?

FWIW the rotarty 4BT pump is the hot ticket when it comes to converting
the VW TDI to a non-electronic pump.

  -Zach

--- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See if you can get one with
 an inline pump instead of rotary. Probably can't get much over 150hp
 out of it unless it's intercooled.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread LWB250
Yup.

The rotary pump (Roosamaster, etc.) looks like a
distributor, only with pipes in place of wires.  An
inline pump is just that, and what you're accustomed
to in your MB diesel(s).

Dan (former 4BT 3.9 and 6BT Cummins guy)



--- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 See if you can get one with
 an inline pump instead of rotary.
 
 Would it be easy to distinguish between the two by
 the orientation of the 
 injector lines in a circle rather than in-line like
 those on my 300SD?
 
 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300Sd 267Kmio, Ursula 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread slozukimc
They are not fast by any means but they will pull a huge load.  The TH400
is a good tranny but it is still the weak point in that vehicle.  The 4bt
has alot of torque and gets the automatics pretty hot.  Put a big cooler
on it and run syn fluid.
  I have been looking for one of those vans for a donor for the engine
swap in my M37 but have yet to find a great deal on one.

Mike

 It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport
 unit
 (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races.  Meanwhile, I happened to
 spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with
 fresh 4BT engines.  They seem low tech and reliable with the mechanical
 injection and the old Turbo 400 tranny (not electronically controlled).
 Hopefully, one of the two trucks will work for them.

 KEvin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van

2007-07-27 Thread Jim Cathey
   I have been looking for one of those vans for a donor for the engine
 swap in my M37 but have yet to find a great deal on one.

You and everybody else.  That's the problem!

-- Jim


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