Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Lesson learned if I ever need to take that manifold off again, I need to pull it back just far enough to unplug that connector, before lifting it up and out. Probably would have been described in the shop manual if I had one, though sometimes they just say something like "unbolt and remove the manifold" On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, at 13:37, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:17:17 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Well finally got this done. Waited for a warm(er) day, soldered up all >> the connectors, which was more tedious than I had expected. Really glad >> I was able to get the wiring up to the top of the engine bay it would >> have been a real bear otherwise. That connection is totally hidden >> behind the manifold when it's in place, it took me about 5 minutes of >> blind work with my fingertips to get the plug inserted. Got everything >> back in place, started up, runs smoothly, no codes. > > Congratulations! > > >> Only issue is the MAP sensor connection, the locking tab has snapped >> off and it doesn't want to stay plugged in. I have a zip tie around it >> hopefully that will keep it together. > > May it do so! > > > Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:17:17 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Well finally got this done. Waited for a warm(er) day, soldered up all > the connectors, which was more tedious than I had expected. Really glad > I was able to get the wiring up to the top of the engine bay it would > have been a real bear otherwise. That connection is totally hidden > behind the manifold when it's in place, it took me about 5 minutes of > blind work with my fingertips to get the plug inserted. Got everything > back in place, started up, runs smoothly, no codes. Congratulations! > Only issue is the MAP sensor connection, the locking tab has snapped > off and it doesn't want to stay plugged in. I have a zip tie around it > hopefully that will keep it together. May it do so! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Well finally got this done. Waited for a warm(er) day, soldered up all the connectors, which was more tedious than I had expected. Really glad I was able to get the wiring up to the top of the engine bay it would have been a real bear otherwise. That connection is totally hidden behind the manifold when it's in place, it took me about 5 minutes of blind work with my fingertips to get the plug inserted. Got everything back in place, started up, runs smoothly, no codes. Only issue is the MAP sensor connection, the locking tab has snapped off and it doesn't want to stay plugged in. I have a zip tie around it hopefully that will keep it together. On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 17:58, Allan Streib wrote: > 2009 XC90. Bought it only because I knew the seller and he had cared > for it meticulously. It needed rear wheel bearings, he didn't want to > spend the money, and he gave me a good deal. > > It's been a good car overall. Comfortable, well made, pretty easy to > work on overall. It's a two wheel drive model, which in this car is > front-wheel drive. The engine is a 3.2 liter inline 6, basically a Ford > engine I think, Ford owned Volvo until 2010. Transmission is by Aisin. > It tows our little pop-up camper fine. > > It's probably comparable to an ML320, though I've never owned one of those. > > Just under 200k on it now. I've owned it since 2018. > > I was able to unclip the wiring harness in a few other places and raise > it up enough so that I can work on it in a neutral standing position. > That is going to help a lot. Now I can't find my solder, may have to > buy some. Going to finish this up tomorrow. > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 17:02, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> I know you have referred to the Volvo previously, but I don't recall all >> of it. What year, and model is it, what mileage on it, and has it been a >> good car? >> >> Randy >> >> >> On 11/02/2024 3:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> I found a wiring diagram, and I've been able to work out how to disassemble >>> the connector plug. The individual connectors were crimped on to the wires. >>> The crimp that was on the insulated part of the wire I can reopen, but the >>> crimp that actually made the connection is too flattened. I'm thinking I >>> can either try to solder the wires directly back on to the connectors, or >>> solder on some pigtails, and then solder those to the original harness with >>> heat-shrink tubing to seal the connections. Then reassemble the plug. >>> >>> This is not going to be fun, as I'll have to work bent over and reaching >>> about halfway down in the space between the engine and radiator. Will need >>> some way to hold things together while I solder -- alligator clips I >>> suppose. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 15:23, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was working on the car (that's me). The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the wires out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to reconnect the plug. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
2009 XC90. Bought it only because I knew the seller and he had cared for it meticulously. It needed rear wheel bearings, he didn't want to spend the money, and he gave me a good deal. It's been a good car overall. Comfortable, well made, pretty easy to work on overall. It's a two wheel drive model, which in this car is front-wheel drive. The engine is a 3.2 liter inline 6, basically a Ford engine I think, Ford owned Volvo until 2010. Transmission is by Aisin. It tows our little pop-up camper fine. It's probably comparable to an ML320, though I've never owned one of those. Just under 200k on it now. I've owned it since 2018. I was able to unclip the wiring harness in a few other places and raise it up enough so that I can work on it in a neutral standing position. That is going to help a lot. Now I can't find my solder, may have to buy some. Going to finish this up tomorrow. On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 17:02, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > I know you have referred to the Volvo previously, but I don't recall all > of it. What year, and model is it, what mileage on it, and has it been a > good car? > > Randy > > > On 11/02/2024 3:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> I found a wiring diagram, and I've been able to work out how to disassemble >> the connector plug. The individual connectors were crimped on to the wires. >> The crimp that was on the insulated part of the wire I can reopen, but the >> crimp that actually made the connection is too flattened. I'm thinking I can >> either try to solder the wires directly back on to the connectors, or solder >> on some pigtails, and then solder those to the original harness with >> heat-shrink tubing to seal the connections. Then reassemble the plug. >> >> This is not going to be fun, as I'll have to work bent over and reaching >> about halfway down in the space between the engine and radiator. Will need >> some way to hold things together while I solder -- alligator clips I suppose. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 15:23, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was >>> working on the car (that's me). >>> >>> The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and >>> converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the >>> radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or >>> below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body >>> housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the >>> wires out. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to >>> reconnect the plug. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
I know you have referred to the Volvo previously, but I don't recall all of it. What year, and model is it, what mileage on it, and has it been a good car? Randy On 11/02/2024 3:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I found a wiring diagram, and I've been able to work out how to disassemble the connector plug. The individual connectors were crimped on to the wires. The crimp that was on the insulated part of the wire I can reopen, but the crimp that actually made the connection is too flattened. I'm thinking I can either try to solder the wires directly back on to the connectors, or solder on some pigtails, and then solder those to the original harness with heat-shrink tubing to seal the connections. Then reassemble the plug. This is not going to be fun, as I'll have to work bent over and reaching about halfway down in the space between the engine and radiator. Will need some way to hold things together while I solder -- alligator clips I suppose. On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 15:23, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was working on the car (that's me). The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the wires out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to reconnect the plug. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
When you are bent over working on this, just keep thinking about the hourly rate the shop would be charging you, probably including to repair this, even if they, like you, had inadvertently created the problem. Randy On 11/02/2024 3:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I found a wiring diagram, and I've been able to work out how to disassemble the connector plug. The individual connectors were crimped on to the wires. The crimp that was on the insulated part of the wire I can reopen, but the crimp that actually made the connection is too flattened. I'm thinking I can either try to solder the wires directly back on to the connectors, or solder on some pigtails, and then solder those to the original harness with heat-shrink tubing to seal the connections. Then reassemble the plug. This is not going to be fun, as I'll have to work bent over and reaching about halfway down in the space between the engine and radiator. Will need some way to hold things together while I solder -- alligator clips I suppose. On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 15:23, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was working on the car (that's me). The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the wires out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to reconnect the plug. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
I found a wiring diagram, and I've been able to work out how to disassemble the connector plug. The individual connectors were crimped on to the wires. The crimp that was on the insulated part of the wire I can reopen, but the crimp that actually made the connection is too flattened. I'm thinking I can either try to solder the wires directly back on to the connectors, or solder on some pigtails, and then solder those to the original harness with heat-shrink tubing to seal the connections. Then reassemble the plug. This is not going to be fun, as I'll have to work bent over and reaching about halfway down in the space between the engine and radiator. Will need some way to hold things together while I solder -- alligator clips I suppose. On Sun, Feb 11, 2024, at 15:23, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was > working on the car (that's me). > > The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and > converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the > radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or > below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body > housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the > wires out. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing > > Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to > reconnect the plug. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Well I found the problem and it's the ham-fisted mechanic who was working on the car (that's me). The intake manifold runs down between the engine and the radiator and converges at the throttle body which is near the bottom of the radiator. Hard to see around it and hard to reach it from above or below. I overlooked a connector on the bottom of the throtle body housing and when I pulled the assembly up and out it just ripped the wires out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AT5c-txDnCydPNf94TJS4qT39LRtkrYW/view?usp=sharing Now I have to find a wiring diagram somewhere and figure out how to reconnect the plug. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gMet72dITNAl66OVuceYOshLc3DMXobN/view?usp=sharing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Guess it's possible. I had the battery ground post disconnected the whole time I was working though, because I knew I would be unplugging stuff and removing the alternator. The plug for the MAP sensor had the locking tab snap off. I used a zip-tie to secure it when I put it back but maybe it's not making good contact. On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, at 21:46, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Fuses? > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Feb 9, 2024, at 8:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Well got all the parts and got it back together. Now running very poorly, >> codes for MAP sensor and Throttle Position sensor. Weird. Had to unplug >> several electrical connectors off of the intake manifold/throttle body (it >> all comes off as one assembly) but everything seemed to connect back up OK. >> Will mess with it some more tomorrow. >> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, at 22:46, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> Didn't end up being too bad. Took maybe an hour to get the intake >>> manifold out, could do it faster a second time. Once that was out >>> removing the alternator was easy. >>> >>> Took a few photos, this one shows the gear-like toothed wheel that >>> drives the alternator via a rubber coupler (alternator has already been >>> removed). The bolt in the center had backed out so it just spun freely. >>> There's no lock washer or thread locker used on that bolt for some >>> reason, I think I will use Locktite when I reinstall it. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kiPAceYigBC9HKw_rFi2tDFg7xShR6Wj/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> Here's the back side of that toothed drive wheel, some cracks and a bit >>> chewed up from wobbling loose so I'm going to replace that. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hQFEgoI17JXNARdU8ooO_Tck-c7THZoj/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> The teeth on that wheel fit into the rubber coupler, which drives a >>> similar toothed wheel on the alternator. That rubber coupler seems in >>> good condition so thinking I'll keep it. New one is $80 (!). The >>> alternator looks rather old but turns smoothly and replacing it with a >>> Bosch reman would add about $340 to the repair cost. It's not a >>> terrible job to get in there now that I've done it once, so I might >>> just keep it and see how much more life I get out of it. Or maybe take >>> it to AutoZone and have them test it. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fZVDFkVCrg25YX5ijdMniZt53vWnek0N/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, at 16:02, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 15:28:08 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come > off. You're kidding! > So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a > PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator > prememptively while I'm in there? If it is quite a pain, I would seriously think about replacing it. Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Fuses? --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 9, 2024, at 8:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well got all the parts and got it back together. Now running very poorly, > codes for MAP sensor and Throttle Position sensor. Weird. Had to unplug > several electrical connectors off of the intake manifold/throttle body (it > all comes off as one assembly) but everything seemed to connect back up OK. > Will mess with it some more tomorrow. > > >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, at 22:46, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> Didn't end up being too bad. Took maybe an hour to get the intake >> manifold out, could do it faster a second time. Once that was out >> removing the alternator was easy. >> >> Took a few photos, this one shows the gear-like toothed wheel that >> drives the alternator via a rubber coupler (alternator has already been >> removed). The bolt in the center had backed out so it just spun freely. >> There's no lock washer or thread locker used on that bolt for some >> reason, I think I will use Locktite when I reinstall it. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kiPAceYigBC9HKw_rFi2tDFg7xShR6Wj/view?usp=sharing >> >> Here's the back side of that toothed drive wheel, some cracks and a bit >> chewed up from wobbling loose so I'm going to replace that. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hQFEgoI17JXNARdU8ooO_Tck-c7THZoj/view?usp=sharing >> >> The teeth on that wheel fit into the rubber coupler, which drives a >> similar toothed wheel on the alternator. That rubber coupler seems in >> good condition so thinking I'll keep it. New one is $80 (!). The >> alternator looks rather old but turns smoothly and replacing it with a >> Bosch reman would add about $340 to the repair cost. It's not a >> terrible job to get in there now that I've done it once, so I might >> just keep it and see how much more life I get out of it. Or maybe take >> it to AutoZone and have them test it. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fZVDFkVCrg25YX5ijdMniZt53vWnek0N/view?usp=sharing >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, at 16:02, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >>> On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 15:28:08 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come off. >>> >>> You're kidding! >>> >>> So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator prememptively while I'm in there? >>> >>> If it is quite a pain, I would seriously think about replacing it. >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Well got all the parts and got it back together. Now running very poorly, codes for MAP sensor and Throttle Position sensor. Weird. Had to unplug several electrical connectors off of the intake manifold/throttle body (it all comes off as one assembly) but everything seemed to connect back up OK. Will mess with it some more tomorrow. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, at 22:46, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Didn't end up being too bad. Took maybe an hour to get the intake > manifold out, could do it faster a second time. Once that was out > removing the alternator was easy. > > Took a few photos, this one shows the gear-like toothed wheel that > drives the alternator via a rubber coupler (alternator has already been > removed). The bolt in the center had backed out so it just spun freely. > There's no lock washer or thread locker used on that bolt for some > reason, I think I will use Locktite when I reinstall it. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kiPAceYigBC9HKw_rFi2tDFg7xShR6Wj/view?usp=sharing > > Here's the back side of that toothed drive wheel, some cracks and a bit > chewed up from wobbling loose so I'm going to replace that. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hQFEgoI17JXNARdU8ooO_Tck-c7THZoj/view?usp=sharing > > The teeth on that wheel fit into the rubber coupler, which drives a > similar toothed wheel on the alternator. That rubber coupler seems in > good condition so thinking I'll keep it. New one is $80 (!). The > alternator looks rather old but turns smoothly and replacing it with a > Bosch reman would add about $340 to the repair cost. It's not a > terrible job to get in there now that I've done it once, so I might > just keep it and see how much more life I get out of it. Or maybe take > it to AutoZone and have them test it. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fZVDFkVCrg25YX5ijdMniZt53vWnek0N/view?usp=sharing > > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, at 16:02, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >> On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 15:28:08 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come >>> off. >> >> You're kidding! >> >> >>> So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a >>> PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator >>> prememptively while I'm in there? >> >> If it is quite a pain, I would seriously think about replacing it. >> >> >> Craig >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Didn't end up being too bad. Took maybe an hour to get the intake manifold out, could do it faster a second time. Once that was out removing the alternator was easy. Took a few photos, this one shows the gear-like toothed wheel that drives the alternator via a rubber coupler (alternator has already been removed). The bolt in the center had backed out so it just spun freely. There's no lock washer or thread locker used on that bolt for some reason, I think I will use Locktite when I reinstall it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kiPAceYigBC9HKw_rFi2tDFg7xShR6Wj/view?usp=sharing Here's the back side of that toothed drive wheel, some cracks and a bit chewed up from wobbling loose so I'm going to replace that. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hQFEgoI17JXNARdU8ooO_Tck-c7THZoj/view?usp=sharing The teeth on that wheel fit into the rubber coupler, which drives a similar toothed wheel on the alternator. That rubber coupler seems in good condition so thinking I'll keep it. New one is $80 (!). The alternator looks rather old but turns smoothly and replacing it with a Bosch reman would add about $340 to the repair cost. It's not a terrible job to get in there now that I've done it once, so I might just keep it and see how much more life I get out of it. Or maybe take it to AutoZone and have them test it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fZVDFkVCrg25YX5ijdMniZt53vWnek0N/view?usp=sharing On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, at 16:02, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 15:28:08 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > >> To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come >> off. > > You're kidding! > > >> So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a >> PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator >> prememptively while I'm in there? > > If it is quite a pain, I would seriously think about replacing it. > > > Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 15:28:08 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come > off. You're kidding! > So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a > PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator > prememptively while I'm in there? If it is quite a pain, I would seriously think about replacing it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Volvo fun
Son was on his way to work this morning in the '09 XC90. He called to state that he had "broken down" and there was a message "POWER SYSTEM SERVICE URGENT" on the dash. I drove to his location and scanned the codes. P062001 Generator control circuit, General electrical fault and P062074 Generator control circuit, Mechanical faults, Actuator slipping. Battery was reading about 8.5V, car would not start. Drove home and got the battery out of my '79 300SD (conveniently it's the same size), went back to the Volvo and changed it out. Car started and ran fine, no fault messages. I drove it home and on the way there was a sudden screeching noise under the hood and the same fault message appeared. That continued for about 20 seconds and then stopped. The message stayed on. The alternator control module (ACM) sends the engine control module (ECM) information on a mechanical fault in the alternator (engine speed exceeds a certain value but the alternator is not operating). Turns out the alternator on this car is not directly belt driven, it's driven by a coupling off the back of a pulley on the serpentine belt path. From what I've read online[1], there is a bolt in that coupling that can back out and then it will slip. So this sounds like what is happening. To get at the alternator and coupling, the intake manifold has to come off. So I'm going to look into that job. Sounds like it might be a bit of a PITA. Suppose I should just go ahead and replace the alternator prememptively while I'm in there? The car has 194k miles and I have all the maintenance history from prior owner and no record of the alternator being replaced. [1] https://www.swedespeed.com/threads/power-system-service-urgent-questions-p062001-p062074-codes.614113/post-7589041 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
Yep that’s what I did. Guess the bottom of the pan is higher there. On Tue, May 23, 2023, at 21:08, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > I usually stuff the hard plastic line in until it hits the bottom of > the oil pan. Never had an issue on my Ford Taurus. Pulled the plug out > to be sure, and it was bone dry. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 23, 2023 6:28 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm > Subject: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail > > Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the > Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started > out well but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I > know the car takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my > drain pan and crawl under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the > rest of it. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
I usually stuff the hard plastic line in until it hits the bottom of the oil pan. Never had an issue on my Ford Taurus. Pulled the plug out to be sure, and it was bone dry. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 23, 2023 6:28 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm Subject: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started out well but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I know the car takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my drain pan and crawl under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the rest of it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
--FT Sent from iFōn > On May 23, 2023, at 7:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Offer? No lowballs I no wha t I got > >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, at 19:47, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> Sell it and buy another Benz >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> On May 23, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the >>> Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started out >>> well but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I know the >>> car takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my drain pan and >>> crawl under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the rest of it. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
Offer? No lowballs I no wha t I got On Tue, May 23, 2023, at 19:47, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Sell it and buy another Benz > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On May 23, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the >> Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started out >> well but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I know the >> car takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my drain pan and >> crawl under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the rest of it. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
Sell it and buy another Benz --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 23, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the > Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started out well > but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I know the car > takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my drain pan and crawl > under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the rest of it. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo oil fail
Went to change oil on the 06 XC90 and was looking forward to using the Harbor Freight oil sucker to do a topside change. Everything started out well but only drained 4 quarts before it starting sucking air. I know the car takes nearly 8 quarts for a change. Had to get out my drain pan and crawl under the car, remove the splash pan and drain the rest of it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Same. Glove box out, remove a panel under the dash, stand on your head to get at the screws. On Sat, Jan 8, 2022, at 8:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > I replaced the same stuff on my 211 wagon. It wasn’t too hard other > than the contortions to get under the dash and get at the screws. I > think maybe the controller was ok but the blower was inop. > > --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
I replaced the same stuff on my 211 wagon. It wasn’t too hard other than the contortions to get under the dash and get at the screws. I think maybe the controller was ok but the blower was inop. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Replaced today, and I have heat again. Of course it would happen on the > coldest days of the winter so far. And though it was a little warmer today, > it started raining about halfway through the job. Always the way it goes it > seems. > > I replaced both the blower motor and the control board. Looking at the old > control board housing, one of the contact pins is dark and the plastic around > that pin is brown, so I am guessing it burned out and the motor was OK. But > I'll keep the old motor as a spare. > > Wasn't a terrible job but enough of a PITA that replacing the blower motor at > the same time was probably worth the trouble. > > Allan > > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> Well I have the parts ordered. $285 from FCP Euro for a new blower, new >> "resistor pack" (it's actually a more sophisticated electronic speed >> control, recommended to replace while you have the fan out) and a new >> cabin air filter. Went with Mahle Behr brands so it was a bit more >> expensive than it could have been but cheap parts are a poor economy if >> there is any kind of difficulty involved in the replacement. >> >> Allan >> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a >>> 1959 544S. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: __ 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was >> OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. >> >> The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job >> at the stealer. >> >> YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an >> hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Sounds like good decisions and sound work. Just be thankful that it wasn't a W115 chassis! On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Replaced today, and I have heat again. Of course it would happen on the > coldest days of the winter so far. And though it was a little warmer today, > it started raining about halfway through the job. Always the way it goes it > seems. > > I replaced both the blower motor and the control board. Looking at the old > control board housing, one of the contact pins is dark and the plastic > around that pin is brown, so I am guessing it burned out and the motor was > OK. But I'll keep the old motor as a spare. > > Wasn't a terrible job but enough of a PITA that replacing the blower motor > at the same time was probably worth the trouble. > > Allan > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > > Well I have the parts ordered. $285 from FCP Euro for a new blower, new > > "resistor pack" (it's actually a more sophisticated electronic speed > > control, recommended to replace while you have the fan out) and a new > > cabin air filter. Went with Mahle Behr brands so it was a bit more > > expensive than it could have been but cheap parts are a poor economy if > > there is any kind of difficulty involved in the replacement. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was > a 1959 544S. > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib > wrote: > >>> __ > >>> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good > deal on it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well > maintained otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer > even for stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, > >>> > >>> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than > a W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five > screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise > breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. > But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you > can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it > was OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 > job at the stealer. > > > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in > an hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Attaboy! Kevin in Lexington, NC Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Replaced today, and I have heat again. Of course it would happen on the > coldest days of the winter so far. And though it was a little warmer today, > it started raining about halfway through the job. Always the way it goes it > seems. > > I replaced both the blower motor and the control board. Looking at the old > control board housing, one of the contact pins is dark and the plastic around > that pin is brown, so I am guessing it burned out and the motor was OK. But > I'll keep the old motor as a spare. > > Wasn't a terrible job but enough of a PITA that replacing the blower motor at > the same time was probably worth the trouble. > > Allan > > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> Well I have the parts ordered. $285 from FCP Euro for a new blower, new >> "resistor pack" (it's actually a more sophisticated electronic speed >> control, recommended to replace while you have the fan out) and a new >> cabin air filter. Went with Mahle Behr brands so it was a bit more >> expensive than it could have been but cheap parts are a poor economy if >> there is any kind of difficulty involved in the replacement. >> >> Allan >> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a >>> 1959 544S. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: __ 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was >> OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. >> >> The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job >> at the stealer. >> >> YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an >> hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Replaced today, and I have heat again. Of course it would happen on the coldest days of the winter so far. And though it was a little warmer today, it started raining about halfway through the job. Always the way it goes it seems. I replaced both the blower motor and the control board. Looking at the old control board housing, one of the contact pins is dark and the plastic around that pin is brown, so I am guessing it burned out and the motor was OK. But I'll keep the old motor as a spare. Wasn't a terrible job but enough of a PITA that replacing the blower motor at the same time was probably worth the trouble. Allan On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Well I have the parts ordered. $285 from FCP Euro for a new blower, new > "resistor pack" (it's actually a more sophisticated electronic speed > control, recommended to replace while you have the fan out) and a new > cabin air filter. Went with Mahle Behr brands so it was a bit more > expensive than it could have been but cheap parts are a poor economy if > there is any kind of difficulty involved in the replacement. > > Allan > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a >> 1959 544S. >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: >>> __ >>> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on >>> it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained >>> otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for >>> stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, >>> >>> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a >>> W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five >>> screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise >>> breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. >>> But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you >>> can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was > OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job > at the stealer. > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an > hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Well I have the parts ordered. $285 from FCP Euro for a new blower, new "resistor pack" (it's actually a more sophisticated electronic speed control, recommended to replace while you have the fan out) and a new cabin air filter. Went with Mahle Behr brands so it was a bit more expensive than it could have been but cheap parts are a poor economy if there is any kind of difficulty involved in the replacement. Allan On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a > 1959 544S. > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: >> __ >> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on >> it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained >> otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for >> stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, >> >> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a >> W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five >> screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise >> breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. >> But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you can >> wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>> What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job at the stealer. YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
We used to run a quart of oil in 5 gallons of gas in 2 stroke boat motors. I guess oil has become much better as we now run those old motors on 50:1. I wonder if you can do that with an old Saab? Randy On 04/01/2022 3:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Those Saabs were something else. 7 gallons of gas per liter (quart) of oil. What a joke. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Those Saabs were something else. 7 gallons of gas per liter (quart) of oil. What a joke. On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:29 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That was Saabs. > > -D > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Did that have the 2-stroke engine? Or was that Saab? > > > > > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was > a 1959 544S. > >> > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib > wrote: > >>> __ > >>> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good > deal on it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well > maintained otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer > even for stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, > >>> > >>> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than > a W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five > screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise > breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. > But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you > can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it > was OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 > job at the stealer. > > > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in > an hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
That was Saabs. -D Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did that have the 2-stroke engine? Or was that Saab? > > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >> Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a >> 1959 544S. >> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: >>> __ >>> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on >>> it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained >>> otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for >>> stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, >>> >>> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a >>> W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five >>> screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise >>> breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. >>> But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you >>> can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was > OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job > at the stealer. > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an > hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Did that have the 2-stroke engine? Or was that Saab? On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a > 1959 544S. > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: >> __ >> 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on >> it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained >> otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for >> stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, >> >> Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a >> W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five >> screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise >> breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. >> But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you can >> wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>> What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job at the stealer. YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Thanks for the info. I loved my Volvo in the pre-Benz days but that was a 1959 544S. On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Allan Streib wrote: > 2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on > it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained > otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for > stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, > > Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a > W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five > screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise > breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. > But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you > can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was > OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job > at the stealer. > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an > hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
2009. I needed an SUV and a guy at work was selling it. Got a good deal on it because it needed new rear wheel bearings. It was very well maintained otherwise, he had all the records and always went to the dealer even for stuff like tires and wiper blades. It's actually a very nice car, Looking at the videos the fan replacement doesn't seem much worse than a W116/W123. Remove the glove box and a few other panels, there are five screws holding the fan in. One is inaccessable and most people advise breaking that tab off. To get at it you have to remove about half the dash. But there was one video that showed how to unbolt another part, then you can wedge the fan housing over enough to get at the last screw. On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was OK. >> Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. >> >> The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job at >> the stealer. >> >> YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an hour. >> Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
What year is that Volvo? WHy do you own it?? On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was > OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. > > The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job > at the stealer. > > YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an > hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo heater blower
Blower in the XC90 suddenly not working today. Checked the fuse, it was OK. Replaced it anyway just in case, nothing. The official R&R calls for removing half the dash. It's about $1,000 job at the stealer. YouTuber has posted a way to break a plastic tab and do the job in an hour. Will be watching later tonight. We'll see how this goes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: volvo crack 1991 240 - $3,500
"I've had it 5+ years and always fixed everything that's come up." Nevertheless has check engine light is on for a 1-1-3 running rich/lean code; Tail light wiring issues; Odometer not working. Then this: "I'm not looking to sell this to someone who's going to beat it into the ground or scrap it, it's a cult classic and want someone to tune it, keep it as is or just keep it a lot longer because I'm sure she has many more years in her." So, if that's what you want, spend the money and fix up the car!! https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1991-volvo-obo/7298089550.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo and Sirius draining battery
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:34:31 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > The claim is that the Sirius tuner in the radio will continually scan > for a signal regardless of whether the car or radio is on or > not. Apparently a software update is available to fix this but may have > a cost. > > Anyone heard of anything like this on any other cars? No, I have not heard anything about it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo and Sirius draining battery
Ever since I've had my XC-90 I've had intermittent battery drains to the point where the car won't start. Happens infrequently, maybe once every three or four months. Happened again today. Doesn't seem to be directly related to how long the vehicle has been sitting, though I haven't really tracked that. However the vehicle was last driven two days ago in this case. Had the battery tested last time this happened, and it tested like a new battery. No issues identified. Tried a search on the issue and came upon this: https://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?452265-Disablling-Sirius-Satellite-Draining-Battery The claim is that the Sirius tuner in the radio will continually scan for a signal regardless of whether the car or radio is on or not. Apparently a software update is available to fix this but may have a cost. Seems suspect to me that the radio would be doing this when not on. And it would have to be a pretty significant current draw to drain the battery in a day or two, which seems unlikely for a digital radio receiver. Anyone heard of anything like this on any other cars? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo C30 wreck
Certainly good advice on how to respond to the insco. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 7:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A friend got in a crash this morning in her 2008 Volvo C30, that little > hatchback coupe. It was in pretty decent condition, she took pretty > good care of it. Whatever hit it dented in the passenger door and the > panel right behind the door ahead of the rear wheel. Looks like the > side airbags deployed there. Looks like the door might not open so that > is an issue, but maybe it will. She thinks the insco will total it, > probably given it is 11yo although from a pic she sent me it might be > sorta fixable in a redneck way to get the car usable. Use the Gman's > technique to pull things out a bit, maybe find a new door somewhere. > > She just lost her job, so money is a big issue right now, another car > might not be in the works. I told her to see what the buyback might be > after they (USAA) settle. Worse comes to worst she could get the > airbags replaced and just drive the thing for now, then think about > getting the door sorta fixed at some point. She drove it home, probably > wasn't too far away, so it hasn't been hauled off yet. I don't know if > the airbags going off get the nannies upset at all? > > I'll talk to her tomorrow, she is kinda rattled from the experience. I > told her we can work the payout and buyback, don't take their first offer. > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo C30 wreck
> On June 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > May have to pay dealer or someone to re-program > after the airbags are replaced? After I paid somebody $40 each to clear the crash codes out of two airbag computers, I found out that somebody with a really good scan tool can do it without the hassle of pulling the computers out of the car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo C30 wreck
My '95 E300 buy-back price was $300, so total check will be about $3100. Plenty more than I need to make a decent looking repair. She should pray for a total loss, get some junk-yard air bags and a door, buy you a PDR kit for $70 and you can probably make it look pretty darn decent, and she'll probably be money-ahead. May have to pay dealer or someone to re-program after the airbags are replaced? Once you fix her car, you'll be well practiced to fix the $500E500. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo C30 wreck
If it has air bags that deploy in sets, she should replace the driver's side ones if she's going to drive it. The US cars tend to deploy head curtains in all or nothing fashion, and other side bags in full side fashion, but I don't know about Volvo. If she keeps the car and lets them mess up the title, she'll probably have to fully restore it, or maybe remove the right seats if she's lucky, to get a road title again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo C30 wreck
A friend got in a crash this morning in her 2008 Volvo C30, that little hatchback coupe. It was in pretty decent condition, she took pretty good care of it. Whatever hit it dented in the passenger door and the panel right behind the door ahead of the rear wheel. Looks like the side airbags deployed there. Looks like the door might not open so that is an issue, but maybe it will. She thinks the insco will total it, probably given it is 11yo although from a pic she sent me it might be sorta fixable in a redneck way to get the car usable. Use the Gman's technique to pull things out a bit, maybe find a new door somewhere. She just lost her job, so money is a big issue right now, another car might not be in the works. I told her to see what the buyback might be after they (USAA) settle. Worse comes to worst she could get the airbags replaced and just drive the thing for now, then think about getting the door sorta fixed at some point. She drove it home, probably wasn't too far away, so it hasn't been hauled off yet. I don't know if the airbags going off get the nannies upset at all? I'll talk to her tomorrow, she is kinda rattled from the experience. I told her we can work the payout and buyback, don't take their first offer. -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
I did end up buying it had bad rear wheel bearings (common problem I guess, and disclosed by seller). Bought a couple of Timken rear hubs from RockAuto, and when I opened the box they were in Volvo bags with part numbers so I guess that's a good sign. Installation was a bit of a pain. Took some heavy hammering to get the old hubs out. But saved over $800 from the dealer estimate the seller provided, though at the cost of a couple of band-aids for the invariable skinned knuckles. Allan Peter Hertzing via Mercedes writes: > Should be good then.. I’ve had a couple of those up to 250k... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> It's the 3.2 l 6 cylinder, FWD. >> >> Allan >> >> Peter Hertzing via Mercedes writes: >> >>> Big question is what engine... avoid the V8 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard to find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find and over priced. Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything about cars and have been fed a line by the marketers about how their cars are super reliable and will last forever so they just don't bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners are a little worse than the rest of the crowd. Of course we all know the real marketing that Volvo should have stuck to "Boxy but good." -Curt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
Sort of true. My little sister got herself a volvo wagon XC to haul her kids. She drove that into the ground. The last years of the car were utter neglect because she had to drive out of MT, across ID and into WA to find a service provider any time something would go wrong. She ended up letting it go for $100 trade in on her CPO Yota UTE, as there was no value left in the thing. She had hoped to get $1k. Yeah, that was not going to happen. The thing was a driving parts car that would have been revivable back in SEA for some kid with a wrench and desire for the prancing Alces Alces. clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm > looking for didn't fall out. > On Mar 27, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing anything > because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. > > Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM: >> seems well maintained > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
Should be good then.. I’ve had a couple of those up to 250k... Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > It's the 3.2 l 6 cylinder, FWD. > > Allan > > Peter Hertzing via Mercedes writes: > >> Big question is what engine... avoid the V8 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo >>> enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard >>> to find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find >>> and over priced. Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything >>> about cars and have been fed a line by the marketers about how their >>> cars are super reliable and will last forever so they just don't >>> bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners are a little worse >>> than the rest of the crowd. Of course we all know the real marketing >>> that Volvo should have stuck to "Boxy but good." >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing >>> anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. >>> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
It's the 3.2 l 6 cylinder, FWD. Allan Peter Hertzing via Mercedes writes: > Big question is what engine... avoid the V8 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo >> enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard >> to find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find >> and over priced. Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything >> about cars and have been fed a line by the marketers about how their >> cars are super reliable and will last forever so they just don't >> bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners are a little worse >> than the rest of the crowd. Of course we all know the real marketing >> that Volvo should have stuck to "Boxy but good." >> >> -Curt >> >> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing >> anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
Big question is what engine... avoid the V8 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo > enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard to find > or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find and over priced. > Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything about cars and have been fed a > line by the marketers about how their cars are super reliable and will last > forever so they just don't bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners > are a little worse than the rest of the crowd. > Of course we all know the real marketing that Volvo should have stuck to > "Boxy but good." > > -Curt > >On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing > anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. > > Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM: >> seems well maintained > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
I Drove a 1959 Volvo in 1969. Toured all day at 77 mph. On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:01 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo > enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard to > find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find and over > priced. > Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything about cars and have been > fed a line by the marketers about how their cars are super reliable and > will last forever so they just don't bother with any kind of maintenance. > Volvo owners are a little worse than the rest of the crowd. > Of course we all know the real marketing that Volvo should have stuck to > "Boxy but good." > > -Curt > > On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via > Mercedes wrote: > > THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing > anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. > > Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM: > > seems well maintained > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard to find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find and over priced. Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything about cars and have been fed a line by the marketers about how their cars are super reliable and will last forever so they just don't bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners are a little worse than the rest of the crowd. Of course we all know the real marketing that Volvo should have stuck to "Boxy but good." -Curt On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM: > seems well maintained ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em. Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM: seems well maintained ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo
Anyone familiar with the Volvo XC90 line? There is a 2009 available here pretty cheap. Needs rear wheel bearings, otherwise seems well maintained, local owner, records, etc. Looking at a few videos online, the bearing replacement looks like a reasonably straightforward job. Looking at it as a family car and for occasional towing a small camper. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question.
WOOO WOOO Rich wins the internet today! --R On 8/15/12 11:30 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Rich wrote: "Sounds like an alignment issue (perhaps the simplest thing to check first). When I rebuilt the suspension on the 300TD it of course was out of spec, and when I drove it a few miles to the alignment shop it was really nasty like you describe. When I recently did the 300SD I got it "aligned" a bit better when I put it back together so driving to the shop was more tolerable, but it was still prone to that sort of thing. Does that car need front and rear alignment? Maybe you should go ahead and get the front tires then take it to the alignment shop (or the tire shop can do it) and see how that works. Or two kinds of tires fighting each other?" We moved the better tires to the front and it helped. We had it aligned again and after driving it, the alignment shop determined that the lower control arms were out of whack. The bushings were worn so much that it was immediately out of alignment after driving it a few miles. So, she will be getting new tires and replace the bushings when she gets back home. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thomas S. wrote: "Mine too. Is it beige?" My mother is pretty beige. But, of course, she is almost 70. Actually, the car is a nice dark blue with black leather interior. It wouldn't be my choice in cars, but she likes it and its paid for and only has 105,000 miles. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dave L. wrote: "Isn't this the exact reason that you should always replace tires in a set of 4 on an AWD vehicle? I would suspect that the rear tires are larger diameter." I thought so, too. But, it turns out it was two problems. The tires need to be replaced, but the real problem was the lower control arms. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich wrote: "Sounds like an alignment issue (perhaps the simplest thing to check first). When I rebuilt the suspension on the 300TD it of course was out of spec, and when I drove it a few miles to the alignment shop it was really nasty like you describe. When I recently did the 300SD I got it "aligned" a bit better when I put it back together so driving to the shop was more tolerable, but it was still prone to that sort of thing. Does that car need front and rear alignment? Maybe you should go ahead and get the front tires then take it to the alignment shop (or the tire shop can do it) and see how that works. Or two kinds of tires fighting each other?" We moved the better tires to the front and it helped. We had it aligned again and after driving it, the alignment shop determined that the lower control arms were out of whack. The bushings were worn so much that it was immediately out of alignment after driving it a few miles. So, she will be getting new tires and replace the bushings when she gets back home. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question.
My mother has a 2003 Volvo XC70 Wagon with the 2.5Turbo engine and AWD. Mine too. Is it beige? Isn't this the exact reason that you should always replace tires in a set of 4 on an AWD vehicle? I would suspect that the rear tires are larger diameter. Yep. The allowable limit in tread depth between tires is usually around 3/32" before the AWD freaks out thinking there is slip because the wheels are turning at different speeds, and/or you damage the transfer case. An acquaintance ruined the transfer case in a Murano this way. The tire shop should know better. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question.
> > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:33 -0500 > From: Donald Snook > To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" > Subject: [MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My mother has a 2003 Volvo XC70 Wagon with the 2.5Turbo engine and > AWD. Recently, she replaced the tires and they put them on the rear. > The front tires should be replaced fairly soon. She claims that after > that the car started riding oddly and just didn't seem very tight. I > drove it last week to see if I could feel it. It seems to have two > problems. One is at low speed, it kind of wanders. I would call it a > "duck walk." If that is it, I would assume the front tires are bad. > > BUT, here's the much bigger problem. In tight turns like into a > parking space or as I was driving around the cul-de-sac, halfway > through the turn, the steering with lurch into the turn. It is REALLY > fast. If you are turning left, half way through, the steering wheel > will just shoot to the left very fast. I am dreading the problem > because I think it might be the steering rack. Anyone have any other > ideas? It also just seems a little jerky and rough when driving down > the road straight - almost like the tie rods are bad. But, I don't > think that could cause the steering wheel issue. > > Donald H. Snook > Isn't this the exact reason that you should always replace tires in a set of 4 on an AWD vehicle? I would suspect that the rear tires are larger diameter. Dave Liddell ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Start with simple and what you know, which is that the front tires need to be replaced. Odd turning behavior could be broken belts in the tires, duck-walk really sounds like broken belts. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Donald Snook wrote: My mother has a 2003 Volvo XC70 Wagon with the 2.5Turbo engine and AWD. Recently, she replaced the tires and they put them on the rear. The front tires should be replaced fairly soon. She claims that after that the car started riding oddly and just didn't seem very tight. I drove it last week to see if I could feel it. It seems to have two problems. One is at low speed, it kind of wanders. I would call it a "duck walk." If that is it, I would assume the front tires are bad. BUT, here's the much bigger problem. In tight turns like into a parking space or as I was driving around the cul-de-sac, halfway through the turn, the steering with lurch into the turn. It is REALLY fast. If you are turning left, half way through, the steering wheel will just shoot to the left very fast. I am dreading the problem because I think it might be the steering rack. Anyone have any other ideas? It also just seems a little jerky and rough when driving down the road straight - almost like the tie rods are bad. But, I don't think that could cause the steering wheel issue. Donald H. Snook _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question.
Sounds like an alignment issue (perhaps the simplest thing to check first). When I rebuilt the suspension on the 300TD it of course was out of spec, and when I drove it a few miles to the alignment shop it was really nasty like you describe. When I recently did the 300SD I got it "aligned" a bit better when I put it back together so driving to the shop was more tolerable, but it was still prone to that sort of thing. Does that car need front and rear alignment? Maybe you should go ahead and get the front tires then take it to the alignment shop (or the tire shop can do it) and see how that works. Or two kinds of tires fighting each other? --R On 8/14/12 10:25 AM, Donald Snook wrote: My mother has a 2003 Volvo XC70 Wagon with the 2.5Turbo engine and AWD. Recently, she replaced the tires and they put them on the rear. The front tires should be replaced fairly soon. She claims that after that the car started riding oddly and just didn't seem very tight. I drove it last week to see if I could feel it. It seems to have two problems. One is at low speed, it kind of wanders. I would call it a "duck walk." If that is it, I would assume the front tires are bad. BUT, here's the much bigger problem. In tight turns like into a parking space or as I was driving around the cul-de-sac, halfway through the turn, the steering with lurch into the turn. It is REALLY fast. If you are turning left, half way through, the steering wheel will just shoot to the left very fast.I am dreading the problem because I think it might be the steering rack. Anyone have any other ideas? It also just seems a little jerky and rough when driving down the road straight - almost like the tie rods are bad. But, I don't think that could cause the steering wheel issue. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo Wagon Question.
My mother has a 2003 Volvo XC70 Wagon with the 2.5Turbo engine and AWD. Recently, she replaced the tires and they put them on the rear. The front tires should be replaced fairly soon. She claims that after that the car started riding oddly and just didn't seem very tight. I drove it last week to see if I could feel it. It seems to have two problems. One is at low speed, it kind of wanders. I would call it a "duck walk." If that is it, I would assume the front tires are bad. BUT, here's the much bigger problem. In tight turns like into a parking space or as I was driving around the cul-de-sac, halfway through the turn, the steering with lurch into the turn. It is REALLY fast. If you are turning left, half way through, the steering wheel will just shoot to the left very fast.I am dreading the problem because I think it might be the steering rack. Anyone have any other ideas? It also just seems a little jerky and rough when driving down the road straight - almost like the tie rods are bad. But, I don't think that could cause the steering wheel issue. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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in the 300E, it will get 28-29 on the highway with 87 Donald Snook wrote: > I took my new acquisition, a 1990 Volvo 240DL, on a trip this weekend. We > drove to Springfield, Missouri. It was about a 650 mile trip and I got 26.2 > MPG driving 70-75. The car performed perfectly. I have noticed that if I use > 87 octane, I get some pinging. I put 89 in and it cleared right up. Great > car. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1647 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 > 6:02 AM > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That is what I thought. But, the owners manual recommended at 91 and > said 87 was the minimum. Sometimes european cars quote the "research octane number" (RON) which is a bit higher than the equivalant number here in the USA. IIRC, 91 RON is "regular" 87 octane here. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: > the owners manual recommended at 91 and said 87 was the minimum. Perhaps it has a knock sensor that detunes it for 87 octane and the sensor is dead? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tyler wrote: "You shouldn't get any pinging on 87 unless there's something wrong (carboned up? wrong temp spark plugs? advanced timing?). I've never had pinging issues running 87 in my Volvos, even on turbo models (at stock boost anyways)." That is what I thought. But, the owners manual recommended at 91 and said 87 was the minimum. HOWEVER, it certainly could be carboned up. The previous owner 975 year old woman only drove it around town for the last 3 years and only put a few thousand miles on it a year. I did try to do come Italian tune-ups. Maybe I should get some of that BG 44K stuff. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You shouldn't get any pinging on 87 unless there's something wrong (carboned up? wrong temp spark plugs? advanced timing?). I've never had pinging issues running 87 in my Volvos, even on turbo models (at stock boost anyways). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > I took my new acquisition, a 1990 Volvo 240DL, on a trip this > weekend. We drove to Springfield, Missouri. It was about a 650 > mile trip and I got 26.2 MPG driving 70-75. The car performed > perfectly. I have noticed that if I use 87 octane, I get some > pinging. I put 89 in and it cleared right up. Great car. > > Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo
I took my new acquisition, a 1990 Volvo 240DL, on a trip this weekend. We drove to Springfield, Missouri. It was about a 650 mile trip and I got 26.2 MPG driving 70-75. The car performed perfectly. I have noticed that if I use 87 octane, I get some pinging. I put 89 in and it cleared right up. Great car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240...Stopped at a light doing about 40.......
> >...while stopped at a light doing about 40 MPH. > > Now _that's_ amazing!! > > -- Philip > === > > OK Philip, let me clarify..Wife was STOPPED at a light. > Airhead college student on cell phone REAR-ENDS the Volvo > doing about 40. > > I did chuckle at your response, though. > > Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS I did figure it out. *grin* What I think is truly amazing that we ever _do_ understand each other!! Any language is tricky - but English especially so!! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 Fmiser Wrote: >...while stopped at a light doing about 40 MPH. > > Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Now _that's_ amazing!! -- Philip === OK Philip, let me clarify..Wife was STOPPED at a light. Airhead college student on cell phone REAR-ENDS the Volvo doing about 40. I did chuckle at your response, though. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 (still smiling) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
Well, Tyler, I might observe that there is a difference between giving general advice about a specific Volvo on a Mercedes list and plowing into the depths of Volvo trivia that will only have relevance to the recovering Volvo owners on this list. Rather than start a sh*tfest, I deleted the rest of my reply, as to put it mildly we see things from wildly opposite points on the map, so let's leave the list in peace OK? mac on 8/6/08 12:13, Tyler Backman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Having owned every year of Volvo 240 made except 91, 92, and 93 > (seriously), I have to disagree with some of what you said. Most of > the problems with the early 80s 240s (cheap interiors, falling of > trim, bad wiring) didn't exist on the early 1975-1979 models. I would > say that those were the best ones made, and the build quality fell > from 1980 to 1987, and then started to rise again from 88 to 93, but > still never approaching that of the early ones. > > The blower motor *is* easy to replace if you know the trick. I can do > one in about 30 minutes by cutting the side panels on the heater box > in half, and reinstalling them in 2 sections, sealing it with heater > duct metal tape. Even the hard way, it's easier than a W115 blower. > > Regarding the cam profile and horsepower on the early model cars- I > think it's the opposite of what you said. The later B230 engines had a > high torque, low horsepower cam which *feels* more powerful for normal > driving, especially with an automatic. The late 70s B21 engines, > especially the canadian models had a very hot "A" and "K" cams had a > very rough idle and were gutless below 4,000 rpm, but pulled VERY > strong from 4,000-6500rpm. Many of these cars were without overdrive > and had high rear end ratios, and were simply designed to run at high > rpms all of the time. I am pretty certain that a B21 with an A or K > cam would beat a late 80s 240 equipped with a B230 and an M cam in an > actual drag race, especially since the early cars are lighter. > > Tyler > > Steve wrote: >> They are basically good cars that by 1990 had been pretty well >> sorted out (about time, seeing as they made their debut in Europe in >> late 1974). You will find trim pieces (both interior and exterior) >> break easily and are generally way inferior to Mercedes. Exterior >> trim bits are insanely expensive from dealers. Look on eVilBay. >> Drivetrain is excellent. Not that slow at all, that reputation is a >> leftover from some of the 1980s models that were imported with an >> anemic 2.1 liter motor with a weak cam profile. If the car is >> sluggish you may want to gently put it through some Italian-tuneup >> workouts, as some Volvo owners are chronic slugs and the motor may >> be full of gunk. Unfortunately all Bosch injection parts are now >> very expensive. Other than that the only major OUCH is replacement >> of the blower motor, which was apparently the first thing bolted to >> the chassis on the assembly line. Not hard in terms of competence, >> just requires removal of most of the dash. Not a hard car to work on >> but you will find things are not quite as well thought out as on a >> Mercedes. Cheers > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
There's a Spriget at a car lot that I was every day on the way to work - have resisted the temptation to stop so far On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words, he is cleared to tow an MGB or a Ford Focus. Perhaps a > Sprite. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In other words, he is cleared to tow an MGB or a Ford Focus. Perhaps a Sprite. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Works best if the towed vehicle is significantly > lighter than the towing vehicle. > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will pull it in 4th as long as you are not in a hurry. You'd have to get a towbar and let the air our of the front tires of whatever you are towing. Works best if the towed vehicle is significantly lighter than the towing vehicle. I'd tow a Miata with the quantum. Bigger vehicles mean slower speeds. You will either find out why, or end up with both cars in the ditch if you try to go to fast. Bunch of ISU kids in a big Dodge university van pulling a big heavy trailer with the solar car in it wrecked the whole works a few years ago. Combination of going too fast, towing too much weight, inexperience and being tired. Going too fast was the main problem. It appeared they were going 80 or 85. At 07:29 PM 8/6/2008, you wrote: >Quantum does have a hitch (thank you, Loren). > >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You think it could drag the Quantum? I could be a delivery service! > > > > -Curt > > > > Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:02:43 -0400 > > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240 > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > There's a 740 within 20 miles of me. Maybe Curt can pick it up on his way > > home > > from Iowa. > > http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/car/778108532.html > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >-- >LT Don >http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > >apt-get update >apt-get upgrade >The following packages will be replaced >Prez >Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quantum does have a hitch (thank you, Loren). On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You think it could drag the Quantum? I could be a delivery service! > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:02:43 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > There's a 740 within 20 miles of me. Maybe Curt can pick it up on his way > home > from Iowa. > http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/car/778108532.html > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> ...while stopped at a light doing about 40 MPH. > > Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Now _that's_ amazing!! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You think it could drag the Quantum? I could be a delivery service! -Curt Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:02:43 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240 To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed There's a 740 within 20 miles of me. Maybe Curt can pick it up on his way home from Iowa. http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/car/778108532.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's a 740 within 20 miles of me. Maybe Curt can pick it up on his way home from Iowa. http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/car/778108532.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I finally donated my '82 245GL Volvo to the SA in 2003, when there was little solid metal remaining holding things together, the cruise control and auto AC still worked. Experiencing this with an '80s MB with their lousy electronic modules would be a rarity. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Having owned every year of Volvo 240 made except 91, 92, and 93 (seriously), I have to disagree with some of what you said. Most of the problems with the early 80s 240s (cheap interiors, falling of trim, bad wiring) didn't exist on the early 1975-1979 models. I would say that those were the best ones made, and the build quality fell from 1980 to 1987, and then started to rise again from 88 to 93, but still never approaching that of the early ones. The blower motor *is* easy to replace if you know the trick. I can do one in about 30 minutes by cutting the side panels on the heater box in half, and reinstalling them in 2 sections, sealing it with heater duct metal tape. Even the hard way, it's easier than a W115 blower. Regarding the cam profile and horsepower on the early model cars- I think it's the opposite of what you said. The later B230 engines had a high torque, low horsepower cam which *feels* more powerful for normal driving, especially with an automatic. The late 70s B21 engines, especially the canadian models had a very hot "A" and "K" cams had a very rough idle and were gutless below 4,000 rpm, but pulled VERY strong from 4,000-6500rpm. Many of these cars were without overdrive and had high rear end ratios, and were simply designed to run at high rpms all of the time. I am pretty certain that a B21 with an A or K cam would beat a late 80s 240 equipped with a B230 and an M cam in an actual drag race, especially since the early cars are lighter. Tyler Steve wrote: > They are basically good cars that by 1990 had been pretty well > sorted out (about time, seeing as they made their debut in Europe in > late 1974). You will find trim pieces (both interior and exterior) > break easily and are generally way inferior to Mercedes. Exterior > trim bits are insanely expensive from dealers. Look on eVilBay. > Drivetrain is excellent. Not that slow at all, that reputation is a > leftover from some of the 1980s models that were imported with an > anemic 2.1 liter motor with a weak cam profile. If the car is > sluggish you may want to gently put it through some Italian-tuneup > workouts, as some Volvo owners are chronic slugs and the motor may > be full of gunk. Unfortunately all Bosch injection parts are now > very expensive. Other than that the only major OUCH is replacement > of the blower motor, which was apparently the first thing bolted to > the chassis on the assembly line. Not hard in terms of competence, > just requires removal of most of the dash. Not a hard car to work on > but you will find things are not quite as well thought out as on a > Mercedes. Cheers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One more thing: rust is the enemy if you are the northeast. If you are located there, no matter what the car looks like from the outside, raise or crawl underneath with something to poke the floor and chassis outriggers with. Particularly prone to driver footwell rot. They are about the equivalent of a w116/early w123 in terms of rust susceptibility, so beware. Mac on 8/6/08 1:11, Steve MacSween at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > They are basically good cars that by 1990 had been pretty well sorted out > (about time, seeing as they made their debut in Europe in late 1974). > > You will find trim pieces (both interior and exterior) break easily and are > generally way inferior to Mercedes. Exterior trim bits are insanely > expensive from dealers. Look on eVilBay. > > Drivetrain is excellent. Not that slow at all, that reputation is a leftover > from some of the 1980s models that were imported with an anemic 2.1 liter > motor with a weak cam profile. If the car is sluggish you may want to gently > put it through some Italian-tuneup workouts, as some Volvo owners are > chronic slugs and the motor may be full of gunk. > > Unfortunately all Bosch injection parts are now very expensive. Other than > that the only major OUCH is replacement of the blower motor, which was > apparently the first thing bolted to the chassis on the assembly line. Not > hard in terms of competence, just requires removal of most of the dash. > > Not a hard car to work on but you will find things are not quite as well > thought out as on a Mercedes. > > Cheers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think that they're the most durable cars ever made. You can reasonably expect to get 500k to a million miles if you maintain it properly, even if driven hard and used on poor quality roads. They're not however incredibly cheap to drive (due to fairly poor fuel economy by 190d standards at least), or reliable (mostly due to electrical corrosion issues which can be prevented). Turbobricks.com is the site I would reccomend. The performance is acceptable as long as you avoid the non-turbo automatic transmission models, and the non-turbo diesels. IMO the ideal RWD Volvo is a turbo wagon with a stickshift. Tyler On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > The late 240 and 7xx series cars were superb. I almost bought one, > and still have a 740 TD that needs to get going again. > > Probably the least troublesome cars I know of, given their longevity. > ] > Look up swedishbrick.com and the Brickboard.com, (or something > similar) for a good discussion group. > > Peter > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > >> I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles >> and perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have >> asked about Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models >> to avoid. The only complaints I seen from reviews online is that >> they are pretty slow to accelerate. Evidently those that were >> complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes diesel. After >> all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. >> >> Any one know anything about these cars? >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bought one new in 1990, 4 cyl stickonly way I would have bought one as the auto slushbox was a slug. Only left me stranded once with a bad airflow sensor, other than that, regular maintenance is all it required. Got totaled about 18 months ago when some airhead collage student on a cell phone rammed my wife, while stopped at a light doing about 40 MPH. (Seat broke, she was OK; rear crumple zone did it's job, though) Still have the aux fan I got from a junkyard (Paid over $125, used) in my garage.if anyone wants one. Yes, parts are expensive. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are basically good cars that by 1990 had been pretty well sorted out (about time, seeing as they made their debut in Europe in late 1974). You will find trim pieces (both interior and exterior) break easily and are generally way inferior to Mercedes. Exterior trim bits are insanely expensive from dealers. Look on eVilBay. Drivetrain is excellent. Not that slow at all, that reputation is a leftover from some of the 1980s models that were imported with an anemic 2.1 liter motor with a weak cam profile. If the car is sluggish you may want to gently put it through some Italian-tuneup workouts, as some Volvo owners are chronic slugs and the motor may be full of gunk. Unfortunately all Bosch injection parts are now very expensive. Other than that the only major OUCH is replacement of the blower motor, which was apparently the first thing bolted to the chassis on the assembly line. Not hard in terms of competence, just requires removal of most of the dash. Not a hard car to work on but you will find things are not quite as well thought out as on a Mercedes. Cheers -- "Mac" Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s on 8/5/08 14:57, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and perfect > shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about Volvos and > somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only complaints I > seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to accelerate. > Evidently those that were complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes > diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > > Any one know anything about these cars? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The late 240 and 7xx series cars were superb. I almost bought one, and still have a 740 TD that needs to get going again. Probably the least troublesome cars I know of, given their longevity. ] Look up swedishbrick.com and the Brickboard.com, (or something similar) for a good discussion group. Peter On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles > and perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have > asked about Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models > to avoid. The only complaints I seen from reviews online is that > they are pretty slow to accelerate. Evidently those that were > complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes diesel. After > all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > > Any one know anything about these cars? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Shouldn't that be "Pump up your tires with Obama in 08" seems to me it would save a lot more power to use his hot air for something. Manfred Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:00:28 -0400 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240 To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My buddy had one about that vintage -- the "box" right? These are also known as a Cambridge Cadillac. His was a manual stripper model (he was a cheap bastard who had a lot of money, I guess that's why) and he beat it and it just kept going and going. He finally got rid of it when a buddy of his was moving to SEAsia somewhere and let him have his 300E 2.6 dirt cheap. That thing was pretty solid but sorta stodgy. You will need to get a pipe and a porkpie hat and some "Save the Whales" and "Free Tibet" and "Obama 08 -- Pump Up Your Tires" stickers to put on it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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or the army equivalent to a CJ3b, 1952 or so. At 05:03 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >Ahh - you need a Hummer! > > > I need to find a vehicle to put my original Nixon '72 sticker on. > > > >-- >OK Don, KD5NRO >Norman, OK >"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." >-Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain >'90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply >Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And not the stinking H3 or H2. Army grade and non diesel! -Rolf OK Don wrote: > Ahh - you need a Hummer! > > >> I need to find a vehicle to put my original Nixon '72 sticker on. >> >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahh - you need a Hummer! > I need to find a vehicle to put my original Nixon '72 sticker on. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: > I need to find a vehicle to put my original Nixon '72 sticker on. No kidding. Nixon, that Carter boob, even Lyndon Baines would be a far sight better than the two most likely winners of this years race. I'd rank McLAme somewhere below Jesse Ventura and above Arnold Swantzenstuker, and you don't want to know where I'd rank Barry Hussein Osama. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy wrote: "You will need to get a pipe and a porkpie hat and some "Save the Whales" and "Free Tibet" and "Obama 08 -- Pump Up Your Tires" stickers to put on it." I already smoke a pipe - just not when it is so stinking hot outside. I will not put an Obama '08 sticker on it. I need to find a vehicle to put my original Nixon '72 sticker on. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tank. The only thing in the world that might outlive 240Ds. Everybody I know of that ever had one, swore by it. One observer noticed that while MB owners tend to keep their cars fixed, that volvo owners never fix anything. This is perhaps out of necessity, because parts are wither unobtanium, or uber-expensive. In many cases it is because the owners make Jack Benny look like a big spender. (Very small , tight sphincters.) I have an acquaintance with a S70 or whatever glorified taurus. He can't buy a new axle half new or used. Unobtanium. The pre-ford cars are reliable. At 01:57 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and >perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked >about Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models to >avoid. The only complaints I seen from reviews online is that they >are pretty slow to accelerate. Evidently those that were >complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes diesel. After >all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > >Any one know anything about these cars? > >Donald H. Snook > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Damn, you're gonna have to go to Harvard Square with a sign and explain that to all the swells. Be very careful though. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: > "Free Tibet" is a Republicn mantra except when it may offend our Chinese > hosts. > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Rich Thomas < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> My buddy had one about that vintage -- the "box" right? These are also >> known as a Cambridge Cadillac. His was a manual stripper model (he was >> a cheap bastard who had a lot of money, I guess that's why) and he beat >> it and it just kept going and going. He finally got rid of it when a >> buddy of his was moving to SEAsia somewhere and let him have his 300E >> 2.6 dirt cheap. That thing was pretty solid but sorta stodgy. >> >> You will need to get a pipe and a porkpie hat and some "Save the Whales" >> and "Free Tibet" and "Obama 08 -- Pump Up Your Tires" stickers to put on >> it. >> >> --R >> >> Donald Snook wrote: >> >>> I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and >>> >> perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about >> Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only >> complaints I seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to >> accelerate. Evidently those that were complaining about that have never >> driven a Mercedes diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. >> >>> Any one know anything about these cars? >>> >>> Donald H. Snook >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Free Tibet" is a Republicn mantra except when it may offend our Chinese hosts. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Rich Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My buddy had one about that vintage -- the "box" right? These are also > known as a Cambridge Cadillac. His was a manual stripper model (he was > a cheap bastard who had a lot of money, I guess that's why) and he beat > it and it just kept going and going. He finally got rid of it when a > buddy of his was moving to SEAsia somewhere and let him have his 300E > 2.6 dirt cheap. That thing was pretty solid but sorta stodgy. > > You will need to get a pipe and a porkpie hat and some "Save the Whales" > and "Free Tibet" and "Obama 08 -- Pump Up Your Tires" stickers to put on > it. > > --R > > Donald Snook wrote: > > I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and > perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about > Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only > complaints I seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to > accelerate. Evidently those that were complaining about that have never > driven a Mercedes diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > > > > Any one know anything about these cars? > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
My buddy had one about that vintage -- the "box" right? These are also known as a Cambridge Cadillac. His was a manual stripper model (he was a cheap bastard who had a lot of money, I guess that's why) and he beat it and it just kept going and going. He finally got rid of it when a buddy of his was moving to SEAsia somewhere and let him have his 300E 2.6 dirt cheap. That thing was pretty solid but sorta stodgy. You will need to get a pipe and a porkpie hat and some "Save the Whales" and "Free Tibet" and "Obama 08 -- Pump Up Your Tires" stickers to put on it. --R Donald Snook wrote: > I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and perfect > shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about Volvos and > somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only complaints I > seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to accelerate. > Evidently those that were complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes > diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > > Any one know anything about these cars? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
TANKS. If a Volvo 240 and a W123 ever got in a wreck *shudder*. My mom had 24X's during the 80s. You want to avoid the Ford ones, later 90s etc. They are dog slow, I would compare to a NA 300D. Engines are pretty reliable but I always thought the interior was VW like in quality. -Rolf Donald Snook wrote: > I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and perfect > shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about Volvos and > somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only complaints I > seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to accelerate. > Evidently those that were complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes > diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. > > Any one know anything about these cars? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo 240
I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles and perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have asked about Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models to avoid. The only complaints I seen from reviews online is that they are pretty slow to accelerate. Evidently those that were complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes diesel. After all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. Any one know anything about these cars? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
The 740/760 and 940/960's were great except for the V6. My diesel used to get 31 mpg all the time, need to get it fired up again. They 850s have a VERY poor reliability record. The 240's are way too old to use for daily transportation these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
My neighbors had one for about a year to replace their 245. When the alternator failed the second time and the headliner fell down the second time, they dumped it. NOT a 700 series. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
I heard something like that too, but I heard it was more like 10 years not 7. Considering Volvo has been around a long time there are plenty of OEM parts manufacturers. I think that has something to do with a particular model?where the manufacture?doesn't have to make the parts, but allow OEM suppliers to?"copy" the originals?? Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo -- Original message -- From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Remember, a volvo is a ford, and since the > government does not require parts to be available after 7 years, they > are generally unavailable in the 6th year. Show me the "Government Regulation" This is an urban legend. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Volvo
I can't speak to the newer Volvos, as I had experience with a '74 145 (overhead valve and clatter, clatter, clatter at Xway speeds) and an '82 245 (overhead cam and quiet). Both were rather reliable, but it seems like I had to replace the rear exhaust pipe after the muffler about every 2-3 years on the '82 probably from a lousy design as this area was supported by those rubber doughnuts and the rear part where it connected to the muffler seemed to take most of the strain. If you could find a nice low mileage southern example of the 245, I'd say go for it. Good luck. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
I just read the review on the new Volvo wagon that's coming out this summer, and it was quite favorable (Road & Track?) I like wagons, and considering that I'll soon be in the market for a new car, I might look at one... Dan --- Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the past, I emailed the list about some 80's > vintage Volvo wagons. I think it was a mixed > review. But, I found a 1995 850 (sedan) that is > cheap and looks VERY nice. It is the 2.3 5 cylinder > turbo. Looks like a very nice car. Does anyone > know anything about these? I really like the looks > of them. The EPA mileage says 18 city and 25 > highway. > > Donald H. Snook > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
