Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
...huuummm. I knowit's crazy cheap. So if the 4-matic is TU you can simply pull a fuse (forgive Dr. Booth, God rest his soul) and it becomes invisible? What kind of mileage does one of these get? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire (re: http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:10 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boy, that is a lot of car for the money, about 22 cents/lb!? you get twice as many CV joints, and driveshafts, > and an expensive and troublesome transfer case.? It probably has had the transfer case replaced by now.? It probably is on its 3rd or 4th by now, in fact. There were incremental improvements to the Porsche-designed 1st-gen 4matic system all through the '90s. With the 210 and later chassis IIRC M-B switched to a simpler design. Funny thing is that you never hear from Porsche guys about problems with the first-gen Carrera 4s with a similar AWD system. (Or do you? Never a Relingson around when you need one!) But it is super cheap. There's a fuse you can pull to disable the 4Matic; then it doesn't matter if the transfer case is TU or not. Why not just buy it assuming it's a regular old 2wd 300E with slightly worse mileage and consider the AWD icing on the cake if it works? Alex Chamberlain 124s galore ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
(re: http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:10 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boy, that is a lot of car for the money, about 22 cents/lb!? you get twice as > many CV joints, and driveshafts, > and an expensive and troublesome transfer case.? It probably has had the > transfer case replaced by now.? It probably is on its 3rd or 4th by now, in fact. There were incremental improvements to the Porsche-designed 1st-gen 4matic system all through the '90s. With the 210 and later chassis IIRC M-B switched to a simpler design. Funny thing is that you never hear from Porsche guys about problems with the first-gen Carrera 4s with a similar AWD system. (Or do you? Never a Relingson around when you need one!) But it is super cheap. There's a fuse you can pull to disable the 4Matic; then it doesn't matter if the transfer case is TU or not. Why not just buy it assuming it's a regular old 2wd 300E with slightly worse mileage and consider the AWD icing on the cake if it works? Alex Chamberlain 124s galore ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
My friend bought a 2000 E320 4matic (white/blue) a year ago for $13K, and was tickled because the negotiated price from the indy dealer was several $K below blue book. He was raving about it to me, but I found the front seat painfully uncomfortable and was unimpressed overall. In the one year he owned it he drove less than 10k miles and had several problems with "check engine" light issues and expensive work (SRS). He finally decided to sell it when his mechanic determined that the transmission was on its last legs (at 106 K miles!). The car was showroom perfect in every other regard. He advertised it on CL for $12,500 and after several weeks gave up and sold it for $8K to a college student. When he delivered the car the kid's dad refused to pay a dime more than $7,000 because of the transmission expense. Talk about a cr*ppy "investment" On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:10 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boy, that is a lot of car for the money, about 22 cents/lb!? you get twice > as many CV joints, and driveshafts, and an expensive and troublesome > transfer case.? It probably has had the transfer case replaced by now.? Audi > once found that full time 4wd actually improved MPG (something about > "driving" a tire made it roll easier), but I wouldn't hang your hat on that > little item.? More substantial, full time 4wd is supposed to improve > handling, especially in the rain and snow (what is that stuff?). > > On the positive side, my 94 Bravada, with full time 4wd, just passed > 190,000 miles and has never needed any work on the drive train.? My 98 ML320 > had the transfer case repaced by the PO at just over 100K, and recently I > had to repace the front driveshaft due to a bad CV joint. I also had a > leaking pinion seal on the front differential (yea, you get two of those > ,too!) but that was an easy job with the driveshaft out.? ML just passing > 157000 miles. > > Probably, your biggest worry might be rebuilding the rear suspension so > look for work history in that area.? Look for cheap, off brand stuff, like > cheap tires, cheap battery, etc., to indicate the mentality of the PO's. > > Regards, > > Jim in Phoenix > > -Original Message----- > From: Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 9:23 pm > Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire > > > > Is "4-matic" a synonym for "headache"? > > > > http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html > > > > Bob R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
Boy, that is a lot of car for the money, about 22 cents/lb!? you get twice as many CV joints, and driveshafts, and an expensive and troublesome transfer case.? It probably has had the transfer case replaced by now.? Audi once found that full time 4wd actually improved MPG (something about "driving" a tire made it roll easier), but I wouldn't hang your hat on that little item.? More substantial, full time 4wd is supposed to improve handling, especially in the rain and snow (what is that stuff?). On the positive side, my 94 Bravada, with full time 4wd, just passed 190,000 miles and has never needed any work on the drive train.? My 98 ML320 had the transfer case repaced by the PO at just over 100K, and recently I had to repace the front driveshaft due to a bad CV joint. I also had a leaking pinion seal on the front differential (yea, you get two of those ,too!) but that was an easy job with the driveshaft out.? ML just passing 157000 miles. Probably, your biggest worry might be rebuilding the rear suspension so look for work history in that area.? Look for cheap, off brand stuff, like cheap tires, cheap battery, etc., to indicate the mentality of the PO's. Regards, Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 9:23 pm Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire Is "4-matic" a synonym for "headache"? http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
usually Robert Rentfro wrote: > Is "4-matic" a synonym for "headache"? > > > > http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html > > > > Bob R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 > 12:59 PM > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] PHX CL- Frying Pan into the Fire
Is "4-matic" a synonym for "headache"? http://prescott.craigslist.org/car/757360951.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
