[MBZ] PS Fluid
Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Dan Penoff wrote: Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Herr Doktor used to say ATF with v-belts and MB fluid with serp belts, but I don't think that was the exact cutoff, especially with early W201. Since yours was made in the 1990s, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the MB steering fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Call Rusty, order the Febi fluid made to MB spec. It probably will be cheaper than the M1. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Herr Doktor used to say ATF with v-belts and MB fluid with serp belts, but I don't think that was the exact cutoff, especially with early W201. Since yours was made in the 1990s, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the MB steering fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
I have a couple of liters of the SLS hydraulic fluid, but that's going into the SLS system when I flush it this weekend. Is that the same stuff? Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Call Rusty, order the Febi fluid made to MB spec. It probably will be cheaper than the M1. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Herr Doktor used to say ATF with v-belts and MB fluid with serp belts, but I don't think that was the exact cutoff, especially with early W201. Since yours was made in the 1990s, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the MB steering fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Mobil1 ATF is what's in there now. Shouldn't need to be flushed though, the filter and flush was recently done. Hydraulic fluid for the rear suspension is not the proper fluid for power steering. Has the car developed a problem with the rear suspension? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid I have a couple of liters of the SLS hydraulic fluid, but that's going into the SLS system when I flush it this weekend. Is that the same stuff? Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Call Rusty, order the Febi fluid made to MB spec. It probably will be cheaper than the M1. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Herr Doktor used to say ATF with v-belts and MB fluid with serp belts, but I don't think that was the exact cutoff, especially with early W201. Since yours was made in the 1990s, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the MB steering fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
No problems. Getting a fluid flush and filter change as a part of my maintenance program. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:14 AM, TE ban...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mobil1 ATF is what's in there now. Shouldn't need to be flushed though, the filter and flush was recently done. Hydraulic fluid for the rear suspension is not the proper fluid for power steering. Has the car developed a problem with the rear suspension? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid I have a couple of liters of the SLS hydraulic fluid, but that's going into the SLS system when I flush it this weekend. Is that the same stuff? Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Call Rusty, order the Febi fluid made to MB spec. It probably will be cheaper than the M1. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Is Mobil1 ATF still acceptable for power steering fluid in my 140? I want to change it this weekend and I already have some in the garage I can use... Herr Doktor used to say ATF with v-belts and MB fluid with serp belts, but I don't think that was the exact cutoff, especially with early W201. Since yours was made in the 1990s, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the MB steering fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
...SLS hydraulic fluid...Is that the same stuff? No. SLS is very runny, nearly like diesel fuel. It's used in aircraft brake systems. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Not only is it cheaper, but it won't eat the seals. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: ...SLS hydraulic fluid...Is that the same stuff? No. SLS is very runny, nearly like diesel fuel. It's used in aircraft brake systems. -- Jim Do you mean MIL-H-5606 hydraulic fluid? That's what I use in aircraft brakes, struts, etc. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Which is cheaper and won't eat the seals - Mobil1 ATF or the MB PS fluid? Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Not only is it cheaper, but it won't eat the seals. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Don't know if the dealer PS fluid is cheaper, but the stuff at the auto parts store is. AFT can cause the later style pumps to leak. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
How is the stuff at FLAPS identified? Just as power steering fluid? Are there some SAE or other specs that would qualify it for MB use? I'm sure MB has published specs - I'll do some digging myself and see what I come up with Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Don't know if the dealer PS fluid is cheaper, but the stuff at the auto parts store is. AFT can cause the later style pumps to leak. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS Fluid
Do you mean MIL-H-5606 hydraulic fluid? That's what I use in aircraft brakes, struts, etc. Yep. I got five cans of Royco 756 off of CL for $2 each. My leaky SEL ate all of 'em! Then I fixed the strut for $20. New spheres were a little bit more than that! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] PS fluid question
Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
Power steering fluid it transmission fluid that has been packaged in small, expensive cans. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PS fluid question Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
Tom Hargrave wrote: Power steering fluid it transmission fluid that has been packaged in small, expensive cans. Not exactly. It's the base stock used in type A ATF (that hasn't been available in the US in about 20 years). Here's the definitive post as far as I'm concerned: Anyhow, walking back to my workplace from the dealer's it struck me that MB probably don't make their own PS fluid and it is most likely someone elses in an MB bottle. When I got to work I had a chat with a colleague who's done a lot of contract research for the automotive oil industry. He put me in touch with one of the application engineers at Castrol's RD centre. After talking with the Castrol engineer it turns out that MB's PS fluid 'Sheet no. 236.3' is actually old-style 'Type A Suffix A' ATF but minus the red dye. Castrol still supply this fluid as 'Agri-ATF' in 5 litre and 25 litre containers. However, the Castrol engineer did say that Dexron II/III is a perfectly acceptable alternative for MB PS applications. The key issue, it seems, is not to top-up with non-MB fluid during the warranty period. If dealers spot any red colouration in the PS fluid they will not honour a warranty claim, on the basis that non-MB fluid has been used in the system. Type A Suffix A is also the fluid used in the manual gearbox in the 190E, although again without the red dye. The Castrol guy told me that Dexron *can* be used as an alternative, but because it is a more highly friction-modified fluid the synchro action will not be exactly as MB intended when the gearbox was designed. I have therefore drained out the Dexron III that was in my 'box and replaced it with the Type A Suffix A fluid and I can attest that the gearchange is slightly improved, particularly 1-2 and 2-3. BTW it is essential that only ATF is used in these manual gearboxes - the acidic nature of EP-type gear oils attacks the relatively soft synchro. rings that MB uses - shortening the life of the gearbox. ATF is not acidic (I have the details of the chemistry if anyone wants to know - Castrol were very helpful and sent me a fax giving further details). Incidentally, I happen to know that the Type A Suffix A fluid made by the French oil company ELF is not dyed red - maybe they are the people supplying MB? Hope this info. may be of use to someone. Cheers, Eric # Dr Eric Chowanietz Principal Lecturer Department of Electronic Electrical Engineering De Montfort University Tel +44 (0)116 257 7095 Fax +44 (0)116 257 7692 # I use Mobil 1 ATF as it behaves much better in cold weather. Conventional DexronIII/Mercon is a bit too viscous in cold weather. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
John, From what I gather from my owner's manual, you should only use the proprietary PS fluid in that model-I got the MB approved PS fluid from Rusty for my 91 300D 2.5. About $9.00 for a liter or so. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PS fluid question Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
