Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-17 Thread Clay via Mercedes 
Electric and NatGas are preferred methods of causing home heating in AK given 
the cost of transport and storage for personal use.  Most villages get one, 
maybe two barges of products each year.  You need to plan out your shopping 
list months in advance to make sure your annual supply of anything arrives.  Be 
it a truck, skidoo, clothing, books, dry goods, whatever.  #2 fuel does not 
flow well at -40, so is mostly consumed by commercial generators.

Fairbanks does use #2, as they have limited access to NatGas.  Electrons are 
born out of coal in the Borough for the most part (UAF and local power co.)  
The city is also on the Railbelt which just consolidated multiple geographic 
power produces to reduce tariff and barriers to finally have a transmission 
grid.  Railbelt follows from Whittier and Seward along the railroad to 
Fairbanks.  Six utilities that mostly are using Cook inlet NatGas and some 
renewables.

I do not know how the people in fly in cabins power up or heat.  Most likely 
some propane if they fly  in their own planes.  

clay 

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe cut it with heating oil.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:38 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Makes sense.
>> 
>> I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the
>> generator service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the
>> shop that was designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection
>> of waste oil was often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel
>> source. I think the shop was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty
>> much an open space.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can
>> tell.  There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great
>> and producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.
>>> 
>>> I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste
>> processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the
>> stuff would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and
>> shipped back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south,
>> so it either just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco
>> friendly will self sort and take it to a processing center where the glass
>> ends up hauled to a place that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer
>> pipes.  Fluids would be worse.
>>> 
>>> It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have
>> it used in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely
>> to just get put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large
>> oil spots leaving a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid
>> of a few gallons that way.
>>> 
>>> There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a
>> person would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There
>> is a garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for
>> JBER.  Pretty sure oil ends up there as fuel.
>>> 
>>> All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends
>> up just where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal
>> with it.  Maybe at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and
>> mined by aliens.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re
>> doing to assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is
>> accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine
>> print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
 
 Any idea why, Clay?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Interesting. Never seen a home brewed one, but I can’t think it would be that 
difficult.

-D


> On Apr 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But that was an approved unit. I am thinking more of the DIY ones that people 
> show on Youtube.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 16/04/2020 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> We had no issues with the insurance company.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of the 
>>> used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil to 
>>> heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but the 
>>> whole idea is tempting.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:13:21 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don’t recall, but this one was very clean burning.
> 
> This is the place that makes them:
> 
> https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/
> 

The smallest one,
https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/cb-140/,
says it needs

 - Air compressor required  2.5 CFM @ 25 PSI
 - Electrical Requirements  115 VAC 60 Hz, single phase
30 A circuit breaker

That's amazing, particularly the electrical requirements.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
But that was an approved unit. I am thinking more of the DIY ones that 
people show on Youtube.


RB

On 16/04/2020 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We had no issues with the insurance company.

-D



On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of the used 
oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil to heat much 
and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but the whole idea is 
tempting.

RB

On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Try it and let us know :-)

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
waste oil heater?

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Pennzoil advertises that their synthetic motor oil is made from natural
gas.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:21 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Randy wrote:
>
> > Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as
> > non-synthetic in a waste oil heater?
>
> Yes.  Burns the same.
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread fmiser via Mercedes 
> Randy wrote:

> Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as
> non-synthetic in a waste oil heater?

Yes.  Burns the same.

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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Agreed. And I don’t recall the walls being insulated, but I do know the ceiling 
was. Big clear span steel building.

Either way, it definitely made for a nice place to work on your car when it was 
winter. You didn’t have to wear your Carharts and fingerless gloves.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Even "rarely open" probably equates to way more airflow than an average house 
> gets. A regular person door presents a pretty small hole compared to a garage 
> door...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:57:58 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Absolutely. We had a 20’ roll up door on both ends of the shop, but it was 
> rarely open in the winter unless a truck was coming in or going out. We kept 
> all of our service vehicles inside at all times.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Shops usually aren't insulated all that well and have doors open for way 
> > more significant amounts of time than a house would.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 2:51:31 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model 
> > and would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this 
> > is in central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an 
> > almost daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in 
> > a year’s time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would 
> > pay a small amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the 
> > shop. Then the “cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals 
> > kicked in and they stopped paying, and later even started charging to 
> > remove it. We had been burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much 
> > smaller scale with a smaller furnace used to heat the office in the shop. 
> > This was the tipping point where we decided to move up to a furnace large 
> > enough to heat the whole shop building and keep all of our waste oil. It 
> > worked quite well.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  > >   > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> > > hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> > > been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only 
> > > got
> > > down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
> > > though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
> > > oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com  
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
> > >> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
> > >> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
> > >> the whole idea is tempting.
> > >> 
> > >> RB
> > >> 
> > >> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> Try it and let us know :-)
> > >>> 
> > >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> 
> >  Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
> >  waste oil heater?
> >  
> >  RB
> >  
> > >> 
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> > > 
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> > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > > 
> > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> > > Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Even "rarely open" probably equates to way more airflow than an average house 
gets. A regular person door presents a pretty small hole compared to a garage 
door...
-Curt

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:57:58 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Absolutely. We had a 20’ roll up door on both ends of the shop, but it was 
rarely open in the winter unless a truck was coming in or going out. We kept 
all of our service vehicles inside at all times.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Shops usually aren't insulated all that well and have doors open for way more 
> significant amounts of time than a house would.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 2:51:31 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model and 
> would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this is in 
> central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an almost 
> daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in a year’s 
> time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would pay a small 
> amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the shop. Then 
> the “cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals kicked in and 
> they stopped paying, and later even started charging to remove it. We had 
> been burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much smaller scale with a 
> smaller furnace used to heat the office in the shop. This was the tipping 
> point where we decided to move up to a furnace large enough to heat the whole 
> shop building and keep all of our waste oil. It worked quite well.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> > hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> > been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only got
> > down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
> > though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
> > oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
> >> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
> >> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
> >> the whole idea is tempting.
> >> 
> >> RB
> >> 
> >> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Try it and let us know :-)
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> 
>  Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
>  waste oil heater?
>  
>  RB
>  
> >> 
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> >> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > OK Don
> > 
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > 
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> > Wernher
> > Von Braun
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Absolutely. We had a 20’ roll up door on both ends of the shop, but it was 
rarely open in the winter unless a truck was coming in or going out. We kept 
all of our service vehicles inside at all times.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Shops usually aren't insulated all that well and have doors open for way more 
> significant amounts of time than a house would.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 2:51:31 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model and 
> would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this is in 
> central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an almost 
> daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in a year’s 
> time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would pay a small 
> amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the shop. Then 
> the “cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals kicked in and 
> they stopped paying, and later even started charging to remove it. We had 
> been burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much smaller scale with a 
> smaller furnace used to heat the office in the shop. This was the tipping 
> point where we decided to move up to a furnace large enough to heat the whole 
> shop building and keep all of our waste oil. It worked quite well.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> > hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> > been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only got
> > down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
> > though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
> > oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
> >> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
> >> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
> >> the whole idea is tempting.
> >> 
> >> RB
> >> 
> >> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Try it and let us know :-)
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> 
>  Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
>  waste oil heater?
>  
>  RB
>  
> >> 
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> > -- 
> > OK Don
> > 
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > 
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> > Wernher
> > Von Braun
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Shops usually aren't insulated all that well and have doors open for way more 
significant amounts of time than a house would.
-Curt

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 2:51:31 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model and 
would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this is in 
central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an almost 
daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in a year’s 
time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would pay a small 
amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the shop. Then the 
“cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals kicked in and they 
stopped paying, and later even started charging to remove it. We had been 
burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much smaller scale with a smaller 
furnace used to heat the office in the shop. This was the tipping point where 
we decided to move up to a furnace large enough to heat the whole shop building 
and keep all of our waste oil. It worked quite well.

-D


> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only got
> down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
> though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
> oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
>> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
>> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
>> the whole idea is tempting.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Try it and let us know :-)
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
 waste oil heater?
 
 RB
 
>> 
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 AFAIK these days most "synthetic oil" is just highly refined conventional oil 
so it shouldn't matter.I remember somebody (Marshall?) suggesting that while a 
quart of conventional oil in the fuel tank was a good thing, that synthetic 
didn't burn well and was a bad idea. Of course I've heard a bunch of foolish 
ideas about synthetic over the years, including the one that says you "Can't 
use it in air cooled engines" which is just crap. I've used synthetic almost 
exclusively in all my lawnmowers and snowblowers for nearly 20 years now. The 
one time we had a failure it was when dad took a lawnmower out to mow on last 
year's oil. He was only "going to take it out for a minute to warm it up." 30 
minutes later he came walking back, the rod was hanging out through the side of 
the block...
Now I change the oil in the fall.

-Curt

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:54:40 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of 
the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil 
to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but 
the whole idea is tempting.

RB

On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Try it and let us know :-)
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
>> waste oil heater?
>>
>> RB
>>


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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
Yes - the smallest one burns up to 1 GPH - 55 gallons would not last long.
https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/cb-140/

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:51 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model
> and would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this
> is in central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an
> almost daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in
> a year’s time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would
> pay a small amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the
> shop. Then the “cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals
> kicked in and they stopped paying, and later even started charging to
> remove it. We had been burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much
> smaller scale with a smaller furnace used to heat the office in the shop.
> This was the tipping point where we decided to move up to a furnace large
> enough to heat the whole shop building and keep all of our waste oil. It
> worked quite well.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> > hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> > been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only
> got
> > down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the
> airplane,
> > though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the
> waste
> > oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
> >> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
> >> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
> >> the whole idea is tempting.
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Try it and let us know :-)
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
>  waste oil heater?
> 
>  RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
These things suck it down, believe me. I think we had a 200,000 BTU model and 
would go through 500+ gallons of oil in a season, possibly more (this is in 
central Indiana). Understand that we were generating waste oil on an almost 
daily basis, probably collecting as much as 1,000 gallons or more in a year’s 
time. Used to be the SafetyKleen guys bought waste oil, and would pay a small 
amount for it. We would use that that to buy beer money for the shop. Then the 
“cradle to grave” stuff for oils and industrial chemicals kicked in and they 
stopped paying, and later even started charging to remove it. We had been 
burning waste oil prior to this, but on a much smaller scale with a smaller 
furnace used to heat the office in the shop. This was the tipping point where 
we decided to move up to a furnace large enough to heat the whole shop building 
and keep all of our waste oil. It worked quite well.

-D


> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
> hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
> been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only got
> down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
> though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
> oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
>> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
>> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
>> the whole idea is tempting.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Try it and let us know :-)
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
 waste oil heater?
 
 RB
 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
I seriously thought about it when we moved here - I have a 2000 sq. ft.
hangar that I work in year round. However, the last two winters haven't
been cold enough to have warranted having one. It is insulated and only got
down to 42°F this winter. I generate more waste oil now with the airplane,
though the car and truck only get changed once a year. I collect the waste
oil in a 55 gallon barrel, it's a little over half full now.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:54 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of
> the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil
> to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but
> the whole idea is tempting.
>
> RB
>
> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Try it and let us know :-)
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
> >> waste oil heater?
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
We had no issues with the insurance company.

-D


> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of the 
> used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil to heat 
> much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but the whole 
> idea is tempting.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> Try it and let us know :-)
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
>>> waste oil heater?
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
If I had a waste oil heater, I would likely have done so since most of 
the used oil I would have is synthetic. I don't generate enough used oil 
to heat much and I suspect my insurance company would not be amused but 
the whole idea is tempting.


RB

On 16/04/2020 11:48 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Try it and let us know :-)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
waste oil heater?

RB




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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
Try it and let us know :-)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:17 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a
> waste oil heater?
>
> RB
>
> On 16/04/2020 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I don’t recall, but this one was very clean burning.
> >
> > This is the place that makes them:
> >
> > https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/ <
> https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/>
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember old waste oil heaters, got a lot of smoke out of them.  I
> wonder what kind of filters and nozzles they used in those things
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >> On 4/16/20 7:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Makes sense.
> >>>
> >>> I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the
> generator service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the
> shop that was designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection
> of waste oil was often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel
> source. I think the shop was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty
> much an open space.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can
> tell.  There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great
> and producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.
> 
>  I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste
> processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the
> stuff would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and
> shipped back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south,
> so it either just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco
> friendly will self sort and take it to a processing center where the glass
> ends up hauled to a place that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer
> pipes.  Fluids would be worse.
> 
>  It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will
> have it used in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more
> likely to just get put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the
> large oil spots leaving a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody
> got rid of a few gallons that way.
> 
>  There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a
> person would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There
> is a garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for
> JBER.  Pretty sure oil ends up there as fuel.
> 
>  All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually
> ends up just where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually
> deal with it.  Maybe at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically
> and mined by aliens.
> 
> 
> 
>  clay
> 
>  I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things
> they’re doing to assist customers and continue business operations, one of
> which is accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in
> the fine print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
> >
> > Any idea why, Clay?
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
Anyone know if used synthetic oil burns the same as non-synthetic in a 
waste oil heater?


RB

On 16/04/2020 11:13 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t recall, but this one was very clean burning.

This is the place that makes them:

https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/ 


-D


On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I remember old waste oil heaters, got a lot of smoke out of them.  I wonder 
what kind of filters and nozzles they used in those things

--FT

On 4/16/20 7:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Makes sense.

I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the generator 
service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the shop that was 
designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection of waste oil was 
often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel source. I think the shop 
was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty much an open space.

-D


On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:

There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can tell.  
There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great and 
producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.

I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste 
processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the stuff 
would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and shipped 
back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south, so it either 
just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco friendly will self sort 
and take it to a processing center where the glass ends up hauled to a place 
that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer pipes.  Fluids would be worse.

It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have it used 
in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely to just get 
put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large oil spots leaving 
a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid of a few gallons that 
way.

There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a person 
would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There is a 
garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for JBER.  Pretty 
sure oil ends up there as fuel.

All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends up just 
where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal with it.  Maybe 
at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and mined by aliens.



clay

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On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re doing to 
assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is accepting 
waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine print was a 
statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.

Any idea why, Clay?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I don’t recall, but this one was very clean burning.

This is the place that makes them:

https://www.cleanburn.com/clean-burn-products/waste-oil-furnaces/ 


-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I remember old waste oil heaters, got a lot of smoke out of them.  I wonder 
> what kind of filters and nozzles they used in those things
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/16/20 7:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Makes sense.
>> 
>> I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the 
>> generator service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the shop 
>> that was designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection of 
>> waste oil was often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel source. I 
>> think the shop was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty much an open 
>> space.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can tell. 
>>>  There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great and 
>>> producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.
>>> 
>>> I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste 
>>> processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the 
>>> stuff would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and 
>>> shipped back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south, 
>>> so it either just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco 
>>> friendly will self sort and take it to a processing center where the glass 
>>> ends up hauled to a place that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer 
>>> pipes.  Fluids would be worse.
>>> 
>>> It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have it 
>>> used in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely to 
>>> just get put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large oil 
>>> spots leaving a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid of 
>>> a few gallons that way.
>>> 
>>> There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a 
>>> person would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There 
>>> is a garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for 
>>> JBER.  Pretty sure oil ends up there as fuel.
>>> 
>>> All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends up 
>>> just where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal with 
>>> it.  Maybe at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and mined 
>>> by aliens.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re 
 doing to assist customers and continue business operations, one of which 
 is accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the 
 fine print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
 
 Any idea why, Clay?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
I remember old waste oil heaters, got a lot of smoke out of them.  I 
wonder what kind of filters and nozzles they used in those things


--FT

On 4/16/20 7:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Makes sense.

I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the generator 
service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the shop that was 
designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection of waste oil was 
often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel source. I think the shop 
was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty much an open space.

-D


On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:

There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can tell.  
There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great and 
producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.

I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste 
processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the stuff 
would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and shipped 
back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south, so it either 
just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco friendly will self sort 
and take it to a processing center where the glass ends up hauled to a place 
that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer pipes.  Fluids would be worse.

It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have it used 
in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely to just get 
put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large oil spots leaving 
a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid of a few gallons that 
way.

There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a person 
would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There is a 
garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for JBER.  Pretty 
sure oil ends up there as fuel.

All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends up just 
where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal with it.  Maybe 
at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and mined by aliens.



clay

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On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re doing to 
assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is accepting 
waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine print was a 
statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.

Any idea why, Clay?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Maybe cut it with heating oil.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:38 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Makes sense.
>
> I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the
> generator service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the
> shop that was designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection
> of waste oil was often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel
> source. I think the shop was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty
> much an open space.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can
> tell.  There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great
> and producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.
> >
> > I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste
> processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the
> stuff would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and
> shipped back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south,
> so it either just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco
> friendly will self sort and take it to a processing center where the glass
> ends up hauled to a place that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer
> pipes.  Fluids would be worse.
> >
> > It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have
> it used in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely
> to just get put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large
> oil spots leaving a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid
> of a few gallons that way.
> >
> > There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a
> person would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There
> is a garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for
> JBER.  Pretty sure oil ends up there as fuel.
> >
> > All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends
> up just where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal
> with it.  Maybe at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and
> mined by aliens.
> >
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re
> doing to assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is
> accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine
> print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
> >>
> >> Any idea why, Clay?
> >>
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Makes sense.

I would think a lot of people would use waste oil for heating. In the generator 
service business I used to be in we had an oil furnace in the shop that was 
designed to burn waste motor oil, and our annual collection of waste oil was 
often enough to get us through the winter for a fuel source. I think the shop 
was 60' x 100’ with a 30’ ceiling and was pretty much an open space.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can tell.  
> There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great and 
> producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.  
> 
> I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste 
> processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the 
> stuff would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and 
> shipped back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south, so 
> it either just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco friendly 
> will self sort and take it to a processing center where the glass ends up 
> hauled to a place that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer pipes.  
> Fluids would be worse.
> 
> It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have it 
> used in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely to 
> just get put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large oil 
> spots leaving a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid of a 
> few gallons that way.
> 
> There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a person 
> would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There is a 
> garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for JBER.  
> Pretty sure oil ends up there as fuel.
> 
> All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends up 
> just where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal with it. 
>  Maybe at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and mined by 
> aliens.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re doing 
>> to assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is 
>> accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine 
>> print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
>> 
>> Any idea why, Clay?
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes 
There are no facilities able to bother with waste oil from what I can tell.  
There should be somebody who should, but the land area is too great and 
producers so spread out, there just ain’t a way to do it profitably.  

I took an old folks class last fall, and we did tours of waste 
processing/recycling facilities.  For something like vehicle fluids, the stuff 
would need to be gathered, then would end up in 55 gallon barrels and shipped 
back down to Tacoma, WA.  Too expensive to send glass down south, so it either 
just goes in the trash and landfill, or the really eco friendly will self sort 
and take it to a processing center where the glass ends up hauled to a place 
that will crush it and use it for bedding sewer pipes.  Fluids would be worse.

It would not surprise me if some of the repair/service places will have it used 
in waste oil burners for shop heating.  I expect it is more likely to just get 
put in empty jugs and tossed in the garbage.  From the large oil spots leaving 
a trail behind last weeks garbage truck, somebody got rid of a few gallons that 
way.

There is a landfill that is supposed to have only garbage left, and a person 
would be able to segregate his toxic waste from normal waste.  There is a 
garbage Co-gen facility that provides around 35% of the power for JBER.  Pretty 
sure oil ends up there as fuel.

All the machinery/snow machines/dead cars/scrap in Alaska usually ends up just 
where it died.  Fluids and all.  Too expensive to actually deal with it.  Maybe 
at some far future it will be reprocessed tectonically and mined by aliens.



clay 

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> On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re doing 
> to assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is 
> accepting waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine 
> print was a statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.
> 
> Any idea why, Clay?
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] Question for Clay

2020-04-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I just got a promotional email from Auto Zone about the things they’re doing to 
assist customers and continue business operations, one of which is accepting 
waste oil. Something that sort of jumped out at me in the fine print was a 
statement that they don’t recycle oil in Alaska.

Any idea why, Clay?

-D
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