Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

> The 'filament' style LED bulbs have a big advantage in that their envelopes
> are helium-filled.  Helium having something like 10x the thermal conductivity
> of air means that the entire glass envelope is acting like a heat sink.  The 
> various
> cob-style bulbs usually rely upon a more traditional metal heat sink of some 
> sort.

Yeah other than the cost I like the filament-type LED bulbs. Pleasing 
appearance and color temperature. We use those in the bathroom fixtures that 
previously had clear-glass incandescents.

I have "cob" style bulbs in the exterior lights, and those have held up for at 
least  5 years now.

The ones I have problems with are the ones that look like "traditional" frosted 
incandescent bulbs. Even installed base-down in open-air lamps and fixtures 
they seem to burn out about as often as incandescent bulbs did. I'm sure it's 
the power supply electronics and not the actual LEDs that are dying, because 
they usually start flickering before they die, sometimes buzzing, and in at 
least one case releasing the magic smoke.

I'll probably look at buying the filament type bulbs as I deplete my supply of 
the "standard" ones.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The other thing is that over time, LED lights decline. They last a long time, 
> but they don't ultimately produce the amount of light that they did when they 
> were new.

White LEDs are, at heart, fluorescent devices.  Phosphors degrade.
I believe 'life' is defined as 50% brightness, assuming there wasn't
a catastrophic failure before that.

> their mandated replacements that cost 10x as much and qualify as hazardous 
> waste don't really last much longer.

Heat, heat, heat.  These are electronics, unlike their white-hot predecessors.
If they're in a fixture that doesn't allow free air circulation, for cooling 
purposes,
they will _not_ last very long.

The 'filament' style LED bulbs have a big advantage in that their envelopes
are helium-filled.  Helium having something like 10x the thermal conductivity
of air means that the entire glass envelope is acting like a heat sink.  The 
various
cob-style bulbs usually rely upon a more traditional metal heat sink of some 
sort.

I've got something like 15 of the 40W-equivalent filament bulbs here now.  All
are in high-use fixtures, most of them outside.  The coach lamps outside are all
well ventilated, and only run at night anyway, and the interior entryway lamps 
are
not bad.  We've had exactly one failure, and that was when a freak 
rain/wind-storm
managed to drive rain in that filled the globe in the entryway with water.  The
bulb did not like operating submerged.  The 'filament' is hermetically sealed,
in helium, but the power supply inside the screw base probably is not.

The three in the inverted bowl fixture in my office, which runs most of the day,
every day, shows no sign of degradation.  IIRC we're a couple of years in to
using these, with only the one underwater failure.

These bulbs all run a _lot_, and are drawing about 1/10 the power of the 
incandescents
they replaced, with no esthetic degradation whatsoever.  Color me very happy.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/03/2023 2:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 13:57, Jim Cathey wrote:

All our CFL's are being replaced with LED's now, as they fail.  Except for the 
camera
lighting daylight-balanced CFL's, which do work very well for that specialized 
purpose.

LEDs fail also, at least in my experience. Used to be able to find incandescent 
bulbs for about $0.25 each on sale, now their mandated replacements that cost 
10x as much and qualify as hazardous waste don't really last much longer.

End rant.
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The good thing is that LEDs don't use as much electricity.

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 13:57, Jim Cathey wrote:
> All our CFL's are being replaced with LED's now, as they fail.  Except for 
> the camera
> lighting daylight-balanced CFL's, which do work very well for that 
> specialized purpose.

LEDs fail also, at least in my experience. Used to be able to find incandescent 
bulbs for about $0.25 each on sale, now their mandated replacements that cost 
10x as much and qualify as hazardous waste don't really last much longer.

End rant.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/03/2023 1:36 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 13:29, Jim Cathey wrote:

https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html

The downside, for these, is there's a LOT brighter small surface
that can be in your eyeline, which is at least vaguely fatiguing
depending on where you stand, etc.  They claim 10x the light,
but it's coming from something barely larger than the original
surface.  It's like looking at a 500W halogen shop light vs
a 60W light bulb.

Good point --- wonder if it's feasible to flip the LED panels over so the light 
is reflected off the ceiling. Next time I'm at Harbor Freight I'll try to take 
a look at them.

Also the "10x brighter" claim is compared to a 60W incandescent light. I use 
100W bulbs in the garage already, 60W is just not adequate. So it's maybe more like 5x 
brighter, spread over the three panels. Might not be too bad.

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The other thing is that over time, LED lights decline. They last a long 
time, but they don't ultimately produce the amount of light that they 
did when they were new.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I use 100W bulbs in the garage already, 60W is just not adequate.

I use 60W-equivalent LED's.  They're only there in case the relay circuit
that drives the 1000W-equivalent fluorescent/LED array is down.  Enough
to see, but not enough to work under.  Two, in case one burned out.  They
were actual incandescents until fairly recently.  100W was brighter, but didn't
last very long.  The 60W bulbs lasted nicely, but eventually got LED's from
a Costco pack we bought.

All our CFL's are being replaced with LED's now, as they fail.  Except for the 
camera
lighting daylight-balanced CFL's, which do work very well for that specialized 
purpose.

Everything that's on a lot is already LED.  CFL's still in laundry room, maybe 
one
or two other places.  Incandescents aplenty in rarely-used lights.  And the 
decorative
globes in the finished basement.  (I haven't seen LED replacements in that form 
factor.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 13:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html
> 
> The downside, for these, is there's a LOT brighter small surface
> that can be in your eyeline, which is at least vaguely fatiguing
> depending on where you stand, etc.  They claim 10x the light,
> but it's coming from something barely larger than the original
> surface.  It's like looking at a 500W halogen shop light vs
> a 60W light bulb.

Good point --- wonder if it's feasible to flip the LED panels over so the light 
is reflected off the ceiling. Next time I'm at Harbor Freight I'll try to take 
a look at them.

Also the "10x brighter" claim is compared to a 60W incandescent light. I use 
100W bulbs in the garage already, 60W is just not adequate. So it's maybe more 
like 5x brighter, spread over the three panels. Might not be too bad.

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html
>  
> 

The downside, for these, is there's a LOT brighter small surface
that can be in your eyeline, which is at least vaguely fatiguing
depending on where you stand, etc.  They claim 10x the light,
but it's coming from something barely larger than the original
surface.  It's like looking at a 500W halogen shop light vs
a 60W light bulb.

Better, overall, are either larger diffused fixtures, or indirect
(ceiling bounce) lighting that makes for a softer, more even light.
Lighting can be bright and not harsh, but it takes more work.

The best light in my garage is currently coming from the two-bulb
4' fluorescent fixtures that are in large boxes with waffle-pattern
styrene diffusers over them.  They have overbright LED tube
replacements (Costco) in them, but are tamed nicely by the diffusers.
Second-best are the 8' HO tubes.  None of these are 'too bright',
even if you stare directly at them.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:36:18 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I need to get some better lighting in my garage. I have 6 standard
> screw-type ceiling light bulb sockets, two over each bay of the garage.
> I guess something like this is what I should be looking at?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html

Or the one for which I posted a link yesterday. Those are 12,000 lumen
for $29.95, but won't be in stock until May.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah I bought those for the garage. Awesome 

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> On Mar 27, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need to get some better lighting in my garage. I have 6 standard 
> screw-type ceiling light bulb sockets, two over each bay of the garage. I 
> guess something like this is what I should be looking at?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t think some of the HF lights have switches on them, so be sure 
>> to check if that’s a requirement. I say that because I bought one last 
>> year to replace an old double tube fluorescent fixture above the washer 
>> and dryer in the western manse and didn’t realize there was no pull 
>> chain on it until I got it home.
>> 
>> - D
>> 
 On Mar 27, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've installed a bunch of those in the basement of the house on the great 
>>> northern estate. Easy install, I just wired outlets into the ceiling and 
>>> plugged them in. The output of each is connected to the switch so I flip 
>>> one switch upstairs and they all come on. If I want one turned off (or part 
>>> of the chain turned off) I pull the cord on that one.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:42:55 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
>>> light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
>>> and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
>>> them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
>>> They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.
>>> 
 On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
 replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
 working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
 which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
 style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
 for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
 they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
 something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
 not a hassle?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I need to get some better lighting in my garage. I have 6 standard screw-type 
ceiling light bulb sockets, two over each bay of the garage. I guess something 
like this is what I should be looking at?

https://www.harborfreight.com/8000-lumen-adjustable-head-screw-in-led-shopgarage-light-57640.html


On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I don’t think some of the HF lights have switches on them, so be sure 
> to check if that’s a requirement. I say that because I bought one last 
> year to replace an old double tube fluorescent fixture above the washer 
> and dryer in the western manse and didn’t realize there was no pull 
> chain on it until I got it home.
>
> - D
>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've installed a bunch of those in the basement of the house on the great 
>> northern estate. Easy install, I just wired outlets into the ceiling and 
>> plugged them in. The output of each is connected to the switch so I flip one 
>> switch upstairs and they all come on. If I want one turned off (or part of 
>> the chain turned off) I pull the cord on that one.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:42:55 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
>> light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
>> and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
>> them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
>> They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
>>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
>>> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
>>> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
>>> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
>>> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
>>> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
>>> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
>>> not a hassle?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I don’t think some of the HF lights have switches on them, so be sure to check 
if that’s a requirement. I say that because I bought one last year to replace 
an old double tube fluorescent fixture above the washer and dryer in the 
western manse and didn’t realize there was no pull chain on it until I got it 
home.

- D

> On Mar 27, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've installed a bunch of those in the basement of the house on the great 
> northern estate. Easy install, I just wired outlets into the ceiling and 
> plugged them in. The output of each is connected to the switch so I flip one 
> switch upstairs and they all come on. If I want one turned off (or part of 
> the chain turned off) I pull the cord on that one.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:42:55 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
> light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
> and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
> them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
> They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
>> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
>> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
>> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
>> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
>> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
>> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
>> not a hassle?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've installed a bunch of those in the basement of the house on the great 
northern estate. Easy install, I just wired outlets into the ceiling and 
plugged them in. The output of each is connected to the switch so I flip one 
switch upstairs and they all come on. If I want one turned off (or part of the 
chain turned off) I pull the cord on that one.

-Curt




On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:42:55 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
> not a hassle?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I am sensitve to strobing/scanning at 60Hz or below. Back in the days of CRT 
computer screens I had to set a fast refresh rate or I'd get a headache looking 
at what I percieved to be a rapidly flickering screen.

Flourescents in pairs don't bother me (I presume they are wired in opposite 
phase) but single tubes sometimes do. I guess it depends on how rapidly the 
phosphor glow decays, maybe cheap tubes use a thinner phosphor coating and 
appear to flicker more?

Allan


On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, at 10:10, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I bought around that time to use as a studio light. It works well but 
> strobes at certain angles. I have to be very careful where I put the 
> camera. The strobeing is not visible to the naked eye but the camera 
> makes it painfully obvious.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:20:26 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> I installed several of these 5 years ago and love them. Unfortunately they
> are no longer available. You might be able to find something similar.
>
> LEDMO 50W LED Flood Light Outdoor,Super Bright Waterproof IP65, 250W
> Equivalent 4000Lm 6500K Daylight White Floodlight for Garage, Garden, 
> Lawn
> and Yard - - Amazon.com
> 
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 7:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
>> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
>> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
>> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
>> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
>> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
>> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
>> not a hassle?
>>
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>
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> are wearing."
>
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought around that time to use as a studio light. It works well but strobes 
at certain angles. I have to be very careful where I put the camera. The 
strobeing is not visible to the naked eye but the camera makes it painfully 
obvious.

-Curt




On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 08:20:26 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I installed several of these 5 years ago and love them. Unfortunately they
are no longer available. You might be able to find something similar.

LEDMO 50W LED Flood Light Outdoor,Super Bright Waterproof IP65, 250W
Equivalent 4000Lm 6500K Daylight White Floodlight for Garage, Garden, Lawn
and Yard - - Amazon.com


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> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
> not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

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> Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I put in a 
> couple and they work well.

I like those well enough, and they work in most fixtures.  (Some others I tried 
did not.)
I have a lot of random 4' fluorescent fixtures in the old garage.  The 
ultra-cheap buzzy
ones (electronic ballasts) chew through tubes like they're free.  The more 
expensive
ones with traditional magnetic ballasts are still on the original tubes.

The Costco LED replacements are brighter than the tubes, which is good in the 
fixtures
that have diffusers, but not so good in the exposed-tube ones, as they tend to 
make one
squint when it comes into eyeline.  I really hate lights that are so bright 
that I have to be
careful not to look at one.

The new garage has a lot of twin-8' high-output/low-temperature fixtures in it. 
 Nobody
seems to make LED tube replacements for those.

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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In my experience with fluorescent lights, what fails first and most often
are the ballasts. Once they fail, or start to fail, the start circuit that
fires the fluorescent gas in the tubes to make light don't fire.
Thus my suggestion to make the conversion to full LED assemblies and be
done with the old fluorescents. You will be amazed at how much light the
LED's put into the shop.


On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 8:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s the thing I don’t know if the ballasts are good or not, except for
> the ones that I have already replaced.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s the thing I don’t know if the ballasts are good or not, except for the 
ones that I have already replaced. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I bought direct wired LED 8’ lamps for mine.  A bit expensive, and you have to 
re-wire the fixtures, but it’s been six or seven years and they all work just 
fine.

Mine are the old single pin type, probably 70 years old.

If yours are dual pin on each end, you can probably get drop in replacements, 
but if you are having ballast issues, go for the replacements that delete the 
ballast.

Peter

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit working 
> again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs which seem 
> brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both style but honestly 
> hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement for these?  I am not 
> talking about replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of 
> jacking around with them swap out the light with something else.  What have 
> you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I will check it out 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:57:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible to cut the wires to the ballast and wire it directly to
>> the bulb holders, or do the holders always have to be swapped out
>> (shunted vs non shunted? 
> 
> Look on superbrightleds.com -- they show you the different cases and what
> you need to do.
> 
> Some LED bulbs (like the ones I bought) can be run directly off the
> 120VAC, so you can cut out the ballast and wire one side of the AC to one
> end's tombstone and the other side of the AC to the other end's tombstone.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:40:16 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 No just put them in like a new tube 
>>> 
>>> I got a couple of those from the Costco in Albuquerque about 3 years
>>> ago and they do work great, but Costco has not carried them since.
>>> 
>>> You can get the same thing from superbrightleds, the site I linked in
>>> my other email (and I did). Some of them you remove the ballast, some
>>> of them you change the ballast wiring, some of them you just put in
>>> instead of fluorescent tubes -- just pay attention to what you buy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures.
>> I put in a couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the
>> 4’ LED things and they are good. Those are good to use as
>> under-hood lights as they don’t weigh much and you can tie them
>> under the hood easy. Also slide under a car. 
>> 
>> I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really
>> bright. I like those a lot. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them
>>> I have replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have
>>> since quit working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units
>>> with 4 4' bulbs which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have
>>> new bulbs for both style but honestly hate messing with them.
>>> What is a good replacement for these?  I am not talking about
>>> replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of jacking
>>> around with them swap out the light with something else.  What
>>> have you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:57:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Is it possible to cut the wires to the ballast and wire it directly to
> the bulb holders, or do the holders always have to be swapped out
> (shunted vs non shunted? 

Look on superbrightleds.com -- they show you the different cases and what
you need to do.

Some LED bulbs (like the ones I bought) can be run directly off the
120VAC, so you can cut out the ballast and wire one side of the AC to one
end's tombstone and the other side of the AC to the other end's tombstone.


Craig


> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:40:16 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> No just put them in like a new tube 
> > 
> > I got a couple of those from the Costco in Albuquerque about 3 years
> > ago and they do work great, but Costco has not carried them since.
> > 
> > You can get the same thing from superbrightleds, the site I linked in
> > my other email (and I did). Some of them you remove the ballast, some
> > of them you change the ballast wiring, some of them you just put in
> > instead of fluorescent tubes -- just pay attention to what you buy.
> > 
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
> > 
> >>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>   wrote:
>  
>  Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures.
>  I put in a couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the
>  4’ LED things and they are good. Those are good to use as
>  under-hood lights as they don’t weigh much and you can tie them
>  under the hood easy. Also slide under a car. 
>  
>  I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really
>  bright. I like those a lot. 
>  
>  --FT
>  Sent from iFōn
>  
> >> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> > 
> > Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them
> > I have replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have
> > since quit working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units
> > with 4 4' bulbs which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have
> > new bulbs for both style but honestly hate messing with them.
> > What is a good replacement for these?  I am not talking about
> > replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of jacking
> > around with them swap out the light with something else.  What
> > have you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Is it possible to cut the wires to the ballast and wire it directly to the bulb 
holders, or do the holders always have to be swapped out (shunted vs non 
shunted? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:40:16 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> No just put them in like a new tube 
> 
> I got a couple of those from the Costco in Albuquerque about 3 years ago
> and they do work great, but Costco has not carried them since.
> 
> You can get the same thing from superbrightleds, the site I linked in my
> other email (and I did). Some of them you remove the ballast, some of
> them you change the ballast wiring, some of them you just put in instead
> of fluorescent tubes -- just pay attention to what you buy.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I
 put in a couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the 4’
 LED things and they are good. Those are good to use as under-hood
 lights as they don’t weigh much and you can tie them under the hood
 easy. Also slide under a car. 
 
 I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really
 bright. I like those a lot. 
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
> 
> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them
> I have replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have
> since quit working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units
> with 4 4' bulbs which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have
> new bulbs for both style but honestly hate messing with them.  What
> is a good replacement for these?  I am not talking about replacing
> all units at once, just as they die instead of jacking around with
> them swap out the light with something else.  What have you used in
> your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:40:16 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No just put them in like a new tube 

I got a couple of those from the Costco in Albuquerque about 3 years ago
and they do work great, but Costco has not carried them since.

You can get the same thing from superbrightleds, the site I linked in my
other email (and I did). Some of them you remove the ballast, some of
them you change the ballast wiring, some of them you just put in instead
of fluorescent tubes -- just pay attention to what you buy.


Craig


> > On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I
> >> put in a couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the 4’
> >> LED things and they are good. Those are good to use as under-hood
> >> lights as they don’t weigh much and you can tie them under the hood
> >> easy. Also slide under a car. 
> >> 
> >> I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really
> >> bright. I like those a lot. 
> >> 
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >> 
>  On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them
> >>> I have replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have
> >>> since quit working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units
> >>> with 4 4' bulbs which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have
> >>> new bulbs for both style but honestly hate messing with them.  What
> >>> is a good replacement for these?  I am not talking about replacing
> >>> all units at once, just as they die instead of jacking around with
> >>> them swap out the light with something else.  What have you used in
> >>> your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess you could cut the plug off to hard wire them 

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> On Mar 26, 2023, at 7:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
> light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
> and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
> them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
> They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
>> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
>> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
>> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
>> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
>> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
>> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
>> not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

No just put them in like a new tube 

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> On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I put in 
>> a couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the 4’ LED things and 
>> they are good. Those are good to use as under-hood lights as they don’t 
>> weigh much and you can tie them under the hood easy. Also slide under a car. 
>> 
>> I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really bright. I 
>> like those a lot. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
>>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit 
>>> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs which 
>>> seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both style but 
>>> honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement for these?  I 
>>> am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as they die instead 
>>> of jacking around with them swap out the light with something else.  What 
>>> have you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Did you have to rewire the fixture or bypass the ballast?

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> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I put in a 
> couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the 4’ LED things and 
> they are good. Those are good to use as under-hood lights as they don’t weigh 
> much and you can tie them under the hood easy. Also slide under a car. 
> 
> I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really bright. I 
> like those a lot. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
>> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit working 
>> again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs which seem 
>> brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both style but honestly 
>> hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement for these?  I am not 
>> talking about replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of 
>> jacking around with them swap out the light with something else.  What have 
>> you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Costco had some LED replacement “tubes” for fluorescent fixtures. I put in a 
couple and they work well. I also bought a bunch of the 4’ LED things and they 
are good. Those are good to use as under-hood lights as they don’t weigh much 
and you can tie them under the hood easy. Also slide under a car. 

I have some of those 3-wing screw-in LED things that are really bright. I like 
those a lot. 

--FT
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> On Mar 26, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit working 
> again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs which seem 
> brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both style but honestly 
> hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement for these?  I am not 
> talking about replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of 
> jacking around with them swap out the light with something else.  What have 
> you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[G Mann via Mercedes]

4' LED units, on sale at Harbor Freight. Low power draw per unit of useful
light, They can be daisy chained to make any multiple of 4', if you want,
and they are cheap enough on sale that if they fail for any reason, trash
them and replace with new. [Presuming money is no object, of course.]
They will plug and play anywhere your current units are.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
> not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I installed several of these 5 years ago and love them. Unfortunately they
are no longer available. You might be able to find something similar.

LEDMO 50W LED Flood Light Outdoor,Super Bright Waterproof IP65, 250W
Equivalent 4000Lm 6500K Daylight White Floodlight for Garage, Garden, Lawn
and Yard - - Amazon.com


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit
> working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs
> which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both
> style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement
> for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as
> they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with
> something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are
> not a hassle?
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[MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit 
working again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs 
which seem brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both 
style but honestly hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement 
for these?  I am not talking about replacing all units at once, just as 
they die instead of jacking around with them swap out the light with 
something else.  What have you used in your shops that work well and are 
not a hassle?


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