Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

Does he have a DD-214 (official record of service and discharge); earlier 
form was "WD" Form.


Wilton

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That is what the paperwork says.  He was signal corp, and mayhap the Korea 
Theatre at that moment was to be staffed by USAF and not Army for that MOS



On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


clay wrote:

Prior to July 1947- May 1949


But his discharge was from the Army?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[clay]

That is what the paperwork says.  He was signal corp, and mayhap the Korea 
Theatre at that moment was to be staffed by USAF and not Army for that MOS


On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> clay wrote:
>> Prior to July 1947- May 1949
> 
> But his discharge was from the Army?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Mitch Haley]

clay wrote:

Prior to July 1947- May 1949


But his discharge was from the Army?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[clay]

Prior to July 1947- May 1949

clay

On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:01 AM, WILTON wrote:

> If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
> after Sep 47.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "clay" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944
> 
> 
>> That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
>> yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got 
>> out just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says 
>> he was Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers 
>> say he was army.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> 
>>> Max wrote:
>>>> AAC, that's it.
>>> 
>>> My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, I 
>>> think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
>>> greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
>>> get a choice in the matter.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Michael Canfield]

Me too!  I actually had a picture of it going in my head..

Mike
On Jun 4, 2013 8:00 PM, "Alex Chamberlain"  wrote:

> On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
> >
> > For them what can appreciate this:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
>
> I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine
> transplant, but that was much cooler.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Dieselhead]

Thanks for the clarification!  Somewhere along the line, I had missed 
the USAAF designation change in 1941.  I have heard that but always 
thought it was a confusion between USAAC and USAF.


Billy Mitchell, Eddie Rickenbacher, Hap Arnold and Jimmy Dolittle 
pretty well covered the first part, and WIlton has covered the 
post-WWII period for us.


Aero Div of US Army Signal Corps '07-'14; US Army Air Service 
'14-1926; US Army Air Corps 1926 -1941; US Army Air Force 1941-1947; 
US Air Force after 18 Sep '47. 


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

Aero Div of US Army Signal Corps '07-'14; US Army Air Service '14-1926; US 
Army Air Corps 1926 -1941; US Army Air Force 1941-1947; US Air Force after 
18 Sep '47.


Wilton

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>If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
>after Sep 47.


Wilton


Not doubting your expertise, but I thought it was originally US Army Air 
Corps (USAAC).  Did it change to USAAF before changing to USAF?


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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Dieselhead]

If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air 
Force after Sep 47.


Wilton


Not doubting your expertise, but I thought it was originally US Army 
Air Corps (USAAC).  Did it change to USAAF before changing to USAF?


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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

US Army Air Corps 1926-1941; US Army Air Service before that; Aero Div of US 
Army Signal Corps from '07-'14.
National Security Act establishing USAF was 26 July 47; official birthdate 
18 Sep 47.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:
If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


So was it US Army Air Corps before 1941?
Or did the Air Corps never exist as an official name?

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


So was it US Army Air Corps before 1941?
Or did the Air Corps never exist as an official name?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944


That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got 
out just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says 
he was Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers 
say he was army.


clay


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On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.


My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, 
I think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
get a choice in the matter.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[clay]

That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got out 
just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says he was 
Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers say he was 
army.

clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
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On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Max wrote:
>> AAC, that's it.
> 
> My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, I 
> think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army greens, 
> but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't get a choice 
> in the matter.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Dieselhead]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:42:30 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:


 For them what can appreciate this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
 
 &feature=share


Thank you for sharing!

Craig


Ditto  That is a great story.  It would be interesting to see all the film.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

"Green" = OD - olive drab.

Wilton

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WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

About '51 or '52.  AFROTC instructors at NC State College, Raleigh, were 
still wearing Army green occasionally at that time.  Army uniform styling 
persisted for MANY years.  I wore blue Ike jacket occasionally well into 
'60's - well, maybe 63 or so.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.

Wilton

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Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.


My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, 
I think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
get a choice in the matter.


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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Mitch Haley]

Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.


My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, I 
think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army greens, 
but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't get a choice in 
the matter.


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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Rich Thomas]

When I was learning to fly airplanes lo those many years ago, my ground 
school instructor was a guy who had been a ferry pilot in WW2, taking 
planes from FL to SA to Africa.  During the part about navigation he 
told us the story of how when he flew there he would leave FL, fly 
south, figure where they were when they saw land, then decide where to 
go from there, turn right or left or whatever.  Then flying to Africa 
they would head east, do the same thing.  He said they passed the time 
playing cards, reading, and whatnot, while all the other crews were 
going crazy doing celestial fixes and such the whole way, and he would 
usually arrive within 15min of those guys without all the drama.


--R

On 6/6/13 10:18 AM, Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.  My pop even has some color movie footage from a trip to Africa 
that my grandfather made flying army aircraft to North Africa.  Most of the 
footage is not about the aircraft, but local scenes and people.  Rare to see 
color film from WWII, especially personal footage.

I tried to convince my six-year old daughter ala Calvin & Hobbes that long ago 
the world was black and white, color had not been invented yet, but she'll have 
none of that.



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[Max]

AAC, that's it.  My pop even has some color movie footage from a trip to Africa 
that my grandfather made flying army aircraft to North Africa.  Most of the 
footage is not about the aircraft, but local scenes and people.  Rare to see 
color film from WWII, especially personal footage.

I tried to convince my six-year old daughter ala Calvin & Hobbes that long ago 
the world was black and white, color had not been invented yet, but she'll have 
none of that.
-- 
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Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Yes, forwarded to my Pop.  My grandfather ferried aircraft over to 
>>Africa during WWII, including P-38s.  According to my father, those 
>>were his favorite.
>>
>>--
>>Max Dillon
>>Charleston, SC
>>'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
>One of our MBCA section members was a AAC ferry pilot during WWII. 
>Her husband ran a foundry, and she was the corporate pilot.  Yes, she 
>was a WAC. They were great people.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Dieselhead]

Yes, forwarded to my Pop.  My grandfather ferried aircraft over to 
Africa during WWII, including P-38s.  According to my father, those 
were his favorite.


--
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Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20


One of our MBCA section members was a AAC ferry pilot during WWII. 
Her husband ran a foundry, and she was the corporate pilot.  Yes, she 
was a WAC. They were great people.



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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Craig]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:42:30 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> For them what can appreciate this:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
> 
> &feature=share

Thank you for sharing!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Max]

Yes, forwarded to my Pop.  My grandfather ferried aircraft over to Africa 
during WWII, including P-38s.  According to my father, those were his favorite.

-- 
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Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

OK Don  wrote:

>Excellent! Thanks for sharing that!
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain
>wrote:
>
>> On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>> >
>> > For them what can appreciate this:
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
>>
>> I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine
>> transplant, but that was much cooler.  Thanks!
>>
>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[OK Don]

Excellent! Thanks for sharing that!


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
> >
> > For them what can appreciate this:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
>
> I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine
> transplant, but that was much cooler.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>
> For them what can appreciate this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY

I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine
transplant, but that was much cooler.  Thanks!

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

ATTABOY! Scott!  Thanks.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Spitfire 944



For them what can appreciate this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY&feature=share> &feature=share



Incidentally, Chuck Yeager started the war as a flying sergeant.

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[MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Scott Ritchey]

For them what can appreciate this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
 &feature=share

 

Incidentally, Chuck Yeager started the war as a flying sergeant.

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