Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200
Exactly what a 4th grade math teacher told me Monday. Or, as a former boss said: "if you thin someone is dumb (cant do math) Just short em a nickel on their paycheck. They will be in the next day teaching YOU math. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 3:10 PM: I compare our education system to factory farming. Everybody is taught the same. For years I thought I couldn't do math, just not my thing, can't do math. Turns out I can't do the "carry the one" style, its just not how I process things. I can do more math now in my head than I could do with a calculator in high school. We need to spend a minute figuring out how a kid learns and stick 'em in with other kids that learn the same way and a teacher that understands it. Putting different learning styles together is dumb and wastes everybody's time. Low expectations of course is nothing new, in the '50s nobody cared if Johnny couldn't read, he could always go work in the mill, except now he can't, even if there was a mill... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No Return to actual teaching. Not indoctrination. OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 11:29 AM: Yes, and return to the medieval days --- On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes. tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've found that ink lasts a good long time. I've even added a few drops of water when I thought it was too thick. I remember having a long handled pen it came with a desk set. One fountain and the other a ballpoint. They are long gone can't even think of when I saw them last. MG My mother used a long handled Shaeffer fountain pen, with green ink exclusively for writing letters, etc. I still have a collection of various colored inks in bottles, don't know if they are still good though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Townsends did a video on making quill pens recently. Theres more to it than I expected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3aPOXkzNPk -Curt On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 7:34:39 PM EDT, MG via Mercedes wrote: Well I usually used a fountain pen in High School but I got curious about quill pens when I read a bunch of books about the colonial times (by Danial Defoe, you know the ones) so I did some research and taught myself how to do it. Haven't tried to cut one in many years but now I may just have to see if I can still do that. In full disclosure I did use store bought ink. MG archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > Wow! Did you write with quill pens? My father, who was born in 1862, made his > own quill pens for a one room country school from turkey feathers and the ink > was made from fruit juice. When pencils came into use around 1900, he started > using pencils in his railroad job, but still wrote cursive in quill pen > strokes rather than continuous lines. > > I wonder what is going on in European schools? Are they leading or following > the changes in American schools? > Gerry > > MG wrote: >> Wow that dates me a bit. I know how to do all those >> things including how to cut a quill. > >> fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Allan wrote: It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty developed signature at that age. >>> On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the >>> skill? >>> >>> How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of >>> horses? >>> >>> Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a >>> carburetor? >>> >>> Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile >>> keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than >>> me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more >>> practical than writing with a quill and ink well. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same here, but I was not very successful with crow and chicken feathers. I also didn't know what I was doing, which didn't help any. I still do carry a "pen knife" though ... My mother used a long handled Shaeffer fountain pen, with green ink exclusively for writing letters, etc. I still have a collection of various colored inks in bottles, don't know if they are still good though. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:34 PM MG via Mercedes wrote: > Well I usually used a fountain pen in High School but I > got curious about quill pens when I read a bunch of > books about the colonial times (by Danial Defoe, you > know the ones) so I did some research and taught myself > how to do it. Haven't tried to cut one in many years > but now I may just have to see if I can still do that. > In full disclosure I did use store bought ink. > > MG > > archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > > Wow! Did you write with quill pens? My father, who was born in 1862, > made his own quill pens for a one room country school from turkey feathers > and the ink was made from fruit juice. When pencils came into use around > 1900, he started using pencils in his railroad job, but still wrote cursive > in quill pen strokes rather than continuous lines. > > > > I wonder what is going on in European schools? Are they leading or > following the changes in American schools? > > Gerry > > > > MG wrote: > >> Wow that dates me a bit. I know how to do all those > >> things including how to cut a quill. > > > >> fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > Allan wrote: > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody > will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his > name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a > pretty developed signature at that age. > >>> On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the > >>> skill? > >>> > >>> How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of > >>> horses? > >>> > >>> Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a > >>> carburetor? > >>> > >>> Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile > >>> keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than > >>> me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more > >>> practical than writing with a quill and ink well. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I usually used a fountain pen in High School but I got curious about quill pens when I read a bunch of books about the colonial times (by Danial Defoe, you know the ones) so I did some research and taught myself how to do it. Haven't tried to cut one in many years but now I may just have to see if I can still do that. In full disclosure I did use store bought ink. MG archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Wow! Did you write with quill pens? My father, who was born in 1862, made his own quill pens for a one room country school from turkey feathers and the ink was made from fruit juice. When pencils came into use around 1900, he started using pencils in his railroad job, but still wrote cursive in quill pen strokes rather than continuous lines. I wonder what is going on in European schools? Are they leading or following the changes in American schools? Gerry MG wrote: Wow that dates me a bit. I know how to do all those things including how to cut a quill. fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Allan wrote: It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty developed signature at that age. On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the skill? How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of horses? Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a carburetor? Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more practical than writing with a quill and ink well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There you have it. Cursive is raysisss --FT On 7/23/19 4:08 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: The parish school taught #1 boy cursive and other old school tricks. Seven years later, #2 boy did not get this training. He is confused when he is confronted with anything but Times Roman or some san serif lettering. He is very concerned about feelings and justice for socialist though clay -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For years I wrote with and collected vintage Parker fountain pens. A real pleasure - save for those nasty leaks when I inserted the pen in my pocket sans cap. :( On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Money has very little to do with it; look where the money actually goes. > As long as equality is more important than quality things will not > improve. Parenting (motivation. expectations, and consequences) matters. > Otherwise, why do some minorities (like Asians) do so well while others (no > names) don't. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G > > Mann via Mercedes > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:55 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: G Mann > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200 > > > > Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any > > country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom > So, the > > question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it fix > it's > > self?" > > > > On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds > who can > > not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not > follow > > simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they are > > confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... > > > > Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer > is > > saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with > gross > > spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors > desk.. > > is there is still such a thing... > > > > Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual > Privilege" > > and fire them. [sarcasm folks] > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Cursive writing in primary schools went the way of the horse and buggy > > > about 25 years ago if not more. I remember my oldest son not having > > > cursive writing in school, and he’s in his early 30s. > > > > > > Although I think it’s important to know how to sign one’s name rather > > > than making a bunch of “X”s. > > > > > > -XXX > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > > > > > > > >> It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be > > > >> a result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the > > > >> results before sending. > > > > > > > > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will > > > > know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > > > > > > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, > > > > prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty > > > > developed signature at that age. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Money has very little to do with it; look where the money actually goes. As long as equality is more important than quality things will not improve. Parenting (motivation. expectations, and consequences) matters. Otherwise, why do some minorities (like Asians) do so well while others (no names) don't. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G > Mann via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:55 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: G Mann > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200 > > Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any > country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom So, > the > question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it fix it's > self?" > > On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds who can > not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not follow > simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they are > confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... > > Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer is > saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with gross > spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors desk.. > is there is still such a thing... > > Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual Privilege" > and fire them. [sarcasm folks] > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Cursive writing in primary schools went the way of the horse and buggy > > about 25 years ago if not more. I remember my oldest son not having > > cursive writing in school, and he’s in his early 30s. > > > > Although I think it’s important to know how to sign one’s name rather > > than making a bunch of “X”s. > > > > -XXX > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > > > > > >> It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be > > >> a result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the > > >> results before sending. > > > > > > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will > > > know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > > > > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, > > > prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty > > > developed signature at that age. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wow! Did you write with quill pens? My father, who was born in 1862, made his own quill pens for a one room country school from turkey feathers and the ink was made from fruit juice. When pencils came into use around 1900, he started using pencils in his railroad job, but still wrote cursive in quill pen strokes rather than continuous lines. I wonder what is going on in European schools? Are they leading or following the changes in American schools? Gerry MG wrote: > Wow that dates me a bit. I know how to do all those > things including how to cut a quill. > fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > >> Allan wrote: > > > >> It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody > >> will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > >> > >> The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his > >> name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a > >> pretty developed signature at that age. > > > > On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the > > skill? > > > > How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of > > horses? > > > > Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a > > carburetor? > > > > Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile > > keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than > > me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more > > practical than writing with a quill and ink well. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- arche...@embarqmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A number of schools I attended had two classes for each grade through Jr. High. There was the dummy class and the bright kids. Some occasional flow between groups, I suspect to keep the dumb kids from figuring out just how limited their prospects for higher education might be. The same kids tended to pursue more trades and skills classes in high school. And made a good living in their careers while the rest of us racked up college debt and were essentially unemployable for a number of years after. clay > On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Which is why support for "gifted" programs is so important - it let's those > who rise to the top reach their potential instead of staying with the > bottom of the class. Too bad it's frowned on these days as "elite" and > "those kids dopn't need anything more, they're smart already". ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have had dysfunctional parenting for ages. What makes the current batch of idiots so bad is that the Greatest Generation wanted a better world for their children that they were a bit more forgiving about discipline. The boomers went nuts being their own brand of people and had children who were even less capable of being parents. Now the folks having kids are just breeders with no clue how to raise a child. There are no consequences that used to teach you often and early the best path forward clay > On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I quote my Paternal Grandmother [who birthed and raised 12 children who > were successful in their chosen fields]. > "Civilization is only one generation deep, we either pass it to our > children, or, they get to start from the beginning all by themselves." > > IMHO, low expectations always produce low results. We have produced a > visible segment of those who have never been challenged to produce educated > and energized children... Question is: Is it our fault they never learned > good parenting skills... or is it theirs? > Education, such as it now exists, always teaches to the lowest common > denominator. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I compare our education system to factory farming. Everybody is taught the same. For years I thought I couldn't do math, just not my thing, can't do math. Turns out I can't do the "carry the one" style, its just not how I process things. I can do more math now in my head than I could do with a calculator in high school. We need to spend a minute figuring out how a kid learns and stick 'em in with other kids that learn the same way and a teacher that understands it. Putting different learning styles together is dumb and wastes everybody's time. Low expectations of course is nothing new, in the '50s nobody cared if Johnny couldn't read, he could always go work in the mill, except now he can't, even if there was a mill... -Curt On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 3:20:56 PM EDT, G Mann wrote: I quote my Paternal Grandmother [who birthed and raised 12 children who were successful in their chosen fields]."Civilization is only one generation deep, we either pass it to our children, or, they get to start from the beginning all by themselves." IMHO, low expectations always produce low results. We have produced a visible segment of those who have never been challenged to produce educated and energized children... Question is: Is it our fault they never learned good parenting skills... or is it theirs? Education, such as it now exists, always teaches to the lowest common denominator. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:31 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Ugh, can you imagine how dumb 90% of the kids would be if their idiot parents were "responsible" for their education? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes. tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:54 AM: > Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any > country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom So, > the question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it > fix it's self?" > > On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds who > can not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not > follow simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they > are confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... > > Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer is > saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with gross > spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors desk.. > is there is still such a thing... > > Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual > Privilege" and fire them. [sarcasm folks] > > O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The parish school taught #1 boy cursive and other old school tricks. Seven years later, #2 boy did not get this training. He is confused when he is confronted with anything but Times Roman or some san serif lettering. He is very concerned about feelings and justice for socialist though clay > On Jul 23, 2019, at 3:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Cursive writing in primary schools went the way of the horse and buggy about > 25 years ago if not more. I remember my oldest son not having cursive writing > in school, and he’s in his early 30s. > > Although I think it’s important to know how to sign one’s name rather than > making a bunch of “X”s. > > -XXX ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which is why support for "gifted" programs is so important - it let's those who rise to the top reach their potential instead of staying with the bottom of the class. Too bad it's frowned on these days as "elite" and "those kids dopn't need anything more, they're smart already". On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:21 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Education, such as it now exists, always teaches to the lowest common > denominator. > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Civilization is a thin veneer over rampant chaos once the lights go out. I guess the troops are able to swoop in and set up their own pocked of calm in the midst of disaster, but getting things set right once again takes time. I have been in situations long ago where SHTF for a prolonged period after a natural disaster. In an analog world things plodded along while there was no power or water, let alone gas or communications beyond a fellow on a bike carrying notes hither and yon. The quake in ANC this past November was not that bad. Far less damage to infrastructure than could have been. A repeat of the 1964 quake would make Katrina and Sandy look like jaunts in the park. I think survival skills that will carry a person through in extreme situations should be required learning. At least to maintain a certain modicum of civilized society until the iPhone and ‘puters work again and we can all go back to ignoring each other. clay > On Jul 22, 2019, at 7:38 PM, fmiser via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Allan wrote: > >> It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody >> will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. >> >> The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his >> name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a >> pretty developed signature at that age. > > On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the > skill? > > How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of > horses? > > Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a > carburetor? > > Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile > keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than > me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more > practical than writing with a quill and ink well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No child left behind might sound good, but no child let ahead is easier to achieve. There's a reason why home schooled kids outperform the professionally educated. Mitch. > On July 23, 2019 at 3:20 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > > Education, such as it now exists, always teaches to the lowest common > denominator. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I quote my Paternal Grandmother [who birthed and raised 12 children who were successful in their chosen fields]. "Civilization is only one generation deep, we either pass it to our children, or, they get to start from the beginning all by themselves." IMHO, low expectations always produce low results. We have produced a visible segment of those who have never been challenged to produce educated and energized children... Question is: Is it our fault they never learned good parenting skills... or is it theirs? Education, such as it now exists, always teaches to the lowest common denominator. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:31 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ugh, can you imagine how dumb 90% of the kids would be if their idiot > parents were "responsible" for their education? > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd > eliminate schools and their taxes. > tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money > they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far > superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and > sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) > > G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:54 AM: > > Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any > > country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom > So, > > the question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it > > fix it's self?" > > > > On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds > who > > can not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can > not > > follow simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they > > are confronted with their failures, they become near violent and > insulted... > > > > Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer > is > > saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with > gross > > spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors > desk.. > > is there is still such a thing... > > > > Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual > > Privilege" and fire them. [sarcasm folks] > > > > O > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ugh, can you imagine how dumb 90% of the kids would be if their idiot parents were "responsible" for their education? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes. tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:54 AM: > Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any > country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom So, > the question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it > fix it's self?" > > On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds who > can not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not > follow simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they > are confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... > > Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer is > saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with gross > spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors desk.. > is there is still such a thing... > > Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual > Privilege" and fire them. [sarcasm folks] > > O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, and return to the medieval days --- On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes. > tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money > they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far > superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and > sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) > > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was shocked at the level (low) of education and language skills in the IT shop I worked in for 15 years - and they were my generation - mostly retired now. Our education system isn't bad because we spend too much money, nor because it's public. It's bad because of the way we structure it and spend the money. We have way too much overhead from all the little autonomous school districts, bloated bureaucracies, heavy spending on sports and security (due to a few widely broadcast isolated incidents). There are several relevant points in the article below: The world’s developed nations are placing a big bet on education investments, wagering that highly educated populaces will be needed to fill tomorrow’s jobs, drive healthy economies and generate enough tax receipts to support government services. Bucking that trend is the United States. U.S. spending on elementary and high school education declined 3 percent from 2010 to 2014 even as its economy prospered and its student population grew slightly by 1 percent, boiling down to a 4 percent decrease in spending per student. Over this same 2010 to 2014 period, education spending, on average, rose 5 percent per student across the 35 countries in the OECD. In some countries it rose at a much higher rate. For example, between 2008 and 2014, education spending rose 76 percent in Turkey, 36 percent in Israel, 32 percent in the United Kingdom and 27 percent in Portugal. For some countries, it’s been a difficult financial sacrifice as their economies stalled after the 2008 financial crisis. To boost education budgets, other areas were slashed. Meanwhile, U.S. local, state and federal governments chose to cut funding for the schoolhouse. “Overall (U.S.) education spending has been cut quite severely in the last few years,”said Andreas Schleicher, who heads the OECD directorate that issued the report. “That clearly puts constraints on the environment you have for learning.” How lower spending constrains learning is subtle. Schleicher has pointed out for years that there isn’t a clear relationship between money spent and student outcomes. Some countries that spend far less than the United States on education consistently outshine this country on international tests. And even with the decline in spending, the United States still spends more per student than most countries. The United States spent $11,319 per elementary school student in 2014, compared with the OECD average of $8,733, and $12,995 educating each high school student, compared with an average of $10,106 per student across the OECD. The way that high-performing countries achieve more with less money is by spending it differently than the United States does. For example, larger class sizes are common in Asia, with more resources instead spent on improving teaching quality. During the period of U.S. budget cuts to education, there weren’t major changes to how the money was allocated. “If you simply cut spending with your existing spending choices, you will end with less for less,” said Schleicher, citing school districts in Oklahoma that cut the number of school days to four from five each week. One big way that the U.S. education system differs from others is in asking teachers to carry a heavy teaching load. U.S. teachers teach close to 1,000 hours a year, compared with 600 hours in Japan and 550 hours in Korea. In these countries, teachers might specialize in one course, such as Algebra I, and teach it only a few periods a day. The rest of their work week is spent on other activities, such as preparing lessons or giving feedback to students. “In the U.S., teachers have less time for professional development, teacher collaboration, lesson preparation, working with students individually,” said Schleicher. “In other countries, teachers have a lot of time to watch each other’s lessons, design lessons and evaluate lessons.” By contrast, the U.S. system spends a lot of resources on keeping class sizes relatively small, and hiring more teachers for them. The OECD’s data echoes what the National Center for Education Statistics in Washington D.C. has been tracking. It found that education spending for elementary and high school students had fallen for several years in a row from 2009 to 2013, due to a combination of federal, state and local budget cuts. Spending rose a smidgen during the 2013-14 school year, the most recent year for which data is available, but, after adjusting for inflation, it is still well below the 2009 peak. Last week’s U.S. Census report showed that middle class incomes are rising. One could argue that the economy is flourishing just fine with less spending on schools. But education is an 18-year, long-term investment, from preK through college. It could be that we won’t see our economic prospects smashed from this divestment for many years down the road. https://hechingerreport.org/rest-world-invests-education-u-s-spends-less/ On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:55 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >
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Amen. If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes. tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money they are no longer taxed for. 6-8 years in a one room school was far superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most cases. (oh, and sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers) G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:54 AM: Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom So, the question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it fix it's self?" On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds who can not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not follow simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they are confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer is saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with gross spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors desk.. is there is still such a thing... Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual Privilege" and fire them. [sarcasm folks] O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wow that dates me a bit. I know how to do all those things including how to cut a quill. MG fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Allan wrote: It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty developed signature at that age. On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the skill? How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of horses? Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a carburetor? Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more practical than writing with a quill and ink well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Per student, the public funded educational system spends more than any country in the world... yet, USA schools are ranked near the bottom So, the question comes, "If we just throw more money at the problem, will it fix it's self?" On a daily basis, in business, I am confronted by less than 30 yr olds who can not spell, can not do basic math, can not read and comprehend, can not follow simple instructions, and can not use basic logic... yet, when they are confronted with their failures, they become near violent and insulted... Reading news reports has become an exercise in guessing what the writer is saying, due to lack of use of basic English and syntax, coupled with gross spelling errors, which should have never been passed from an editors desk.. is there is still such a thing... Increasingly, I find I must exercise my "Racist White Heterosexual Privilege" and fire them. [sarcasm folks] On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Cursive writing in primary schools went the way of the horse and buggy > about 25 years ago if not more. I remember my oldest son not having cursive > writing in school, and he’s in his early 30s. > > Although I think it’s important to know how to sign one’s name rather than > making a bunch of “X”s. > > -XXX > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > > > >> It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a > >> result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results > >> before sending. > > > > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know > > how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, > > prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty > > developed signature at that age. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cursive writing in primary schools went the way of the horse and buggy about 25 years ago if not more. I remember my oldest son not having cursive writing in school, and he’s in his early 30s. Although I think it’s important to know how to sign one’s name rather than making a bunch of “X”s. -XXX > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > >> It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a >> result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results >> before sending. > > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know > how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, > prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty > developed signature at that age. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Allan wrote: > It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody > will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. > > The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his > name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a > pretty developed signature at that age. On the other hand, if there is no real purpose - why develop the skill? How many of us are competent with driving a 4-in-hand team of horses? Or what is the value of knowing how to start a car with a carburetor? Conversely, are you any better than me with the tiny, no-tactile keyboard on a 'phone? It wouldn't take much to be better than me! Meaning the skill of using a tiny keyboard is much more practical than writing with a quill and ink well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a > result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results > before sending. It's getting bad. I think in another generation or two, nobody will know how to write (i.e. longhand), type, or spell. The typical high school kid today, when he has to "sign" his name, prints it like a 2nd grader. In my day (1980s), kids had a pretty developed signature at that age. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There loosers --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > My wife's uncle got an iPhone right about the time voice recognition and Siri > started becoming a thing. I remember at a family gathering I'd mentioned that > Siri didn't understand a word that I said but Google understood every word. > He immediately chimed in that Siri didn't understand him at all. To > illustrate he pulled out his phone "Call Beebs!" I don't remember the exact > reply but it was something like "I don't know anyone with that name." > I asked him who he was trying to call, turns out it was his daughter Becky. > Her contact, in his phone, was listed as "Rebecca Manca" but somehow he > expected Siri to "know that I always call Becks "Beebs". Well, except when I > call her Becks!" > -Curt > >On Monday, July 22, 2019, 3:38:36 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a result > of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results before sending. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-2008-mercedes-r320/6937835766.html >> >> -- >> --FT >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My wife's uncle got an iPhone right about the time voice recognition and Siri started becoming a thing. I remember at a family gathering I'd mentioned that Siri didn't understand a word that I said but Google understood every word. He immediately chimed in that Siri didn't understand him at all. To illustrate he pulled out his phone "Call Beebs!" I don't remember the exact reply but it was something like "I don't know anyone with that name." I asked him who he was trying to call, turns out it was his daughter Becky. Her contact, in his phone, was listed as "Rebecca Manca" but somehow he expected Siri to "know that I always call Becks "Beebs". Well, except when I call her Becks!" -Curt On Monday, July 22, 2019, 3:38:36 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results before sending. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-2008-mercedes-r320/6937835766.html > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It just occurred to me that many of these spelling glitches may be a result of rampant use of voice recognition, w/o reading the results before sending. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-2008-mercedes-r320/6937835766.html > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-2008-mercedes-r320/6937835766.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
