subject:"\[MBZ\] Trent"

Sorry to hear that Rusty... I missed the post about how you and Trent got
together.

Jaime



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

>
> Obviously you don't  see every post here Jaime. When I left, I told
> everyone about Trent, he is the brother of my UPS driver. When I told my
> driver that I was shutting the business down to come to WorldPac he
> expressed interest in buying it. I didn't know him at all. I met him once
> for 4 hours and he  seemed like a very likeable guy. I have no relationship
> with him other than he owes me more money than anyone on this list and it
> looks like I will be screwed again in a business deal. Good thing I'm rich!
> Ha.
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jaime Kopchinski 
> Sender: "Mercedes" 
> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:54:11
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match
>
> I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a pretty
> ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.
>
> What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
> bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
> many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
> details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
> boy how things have changed since then.
>
> My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
> one side.  You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
> radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)
>
> Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
> anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
> hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
> reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
> service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
> should be part of this group, no?
>
> I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
> us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
> (or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
> role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
> right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
> someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
> at all?
>
> I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
> protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
> books, reputation, relationships, etc.
>
> Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
> selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
> list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
> Sounded too good to be true.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay 
> wrote:
>
> > Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
> > business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
> > However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
> > scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
> > That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
> > improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?
> >
> > The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
> > interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard
> a
> > few stories does not seem to matter.
> > Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
> > Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
> > it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
> > start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
> > wally.
> > I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
> > good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.
> >
> > I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
> > this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his
> actions,
> > what did this list have to do with the split?
> > If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
> > be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
> > basically I think he threw a big

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Mitch Haley


Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I'm confused... how could Kaleb buy Rusty's business if its already been
sold to Trent?


Sounds like Rusty might still be in a position to repossess if he doesn't keep 
getting money for it.
I can't see how it could be the same business, as I don't think Kaleb has the 
time that Rusty had been putting into it.
I'd have offered to take it off Rusty's hands, but I'm pretty much totally 
without cash right now.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Mitch Haley


Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Oops... clicked send too fast.

Anyway, how did Trent offer to sell parts below dealer cost!?  What
happened here?  And what kind of references did we have for this guy?  Who
vouched for him?  Maybe an explanation is in order, no?


All I can remember is one of us, probably me, posted a Rockauto price on a Uro 
radiator hose, and Trent complained that it was less than his cost. I think he 
wanted about $80 and Rock wanted about $20 plus $15 shipping or something. I'm 
99% sure he never offered to sell below cost on this list.


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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Rusty Cullens

Obviously you don't  see every post here Jaime. When I left, I told everyone 
about Trent, he is the brother of my UPS driver. When I told my driver that I 
was shutting the business down to come to WorldPac he expressed interest in 
buying it. I didn't know him at all. I met him once for 4 hours and he  seemed 
like a very likeable guy. I have no relationship with him other than he owes me 
more money than anyone on this list and it looks like I will be screwed again 
in a business deal. Good thing I'm rich! Ha.

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-Original Message-
From: Jaime Kopchinski 
Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:54:11 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a pretty
ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.

What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
boy how things have changed since then.

My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
one side.  You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)

Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
should be part of this group, no?

I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
(or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
at all?

I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
books, reputation, relationships, etc.

Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
Sounded too good to be true.

Jaime

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
> business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
> However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
> scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
> That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
> improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?
>
> The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
> interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard a
> few stories does not seem to matter.
> Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
> Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
> it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
> start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
> wally.
> I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
> good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.
>
> I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
> this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his actions,
> what did this list have to do with the split?
> If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
> be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
> basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it might not have
> been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got walk away and
> cool off for a while.
>
> The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the
> point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who is
> hell bent on revenge.
> Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy
> wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts vendors.
> Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and now
> he i

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Michael Canfield

I agree.  Maybe it is none of our business but it seems to me that if I was
financing a business to a guy that would not return my calls I would be on
his doorstep wanting to know why.  Rusty said to contact him if there was a
problem but we don't hear too much.

What's up?

Mike
On Jun 19, 2013 3:54 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a pretty
> ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.
>
> What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
> bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
> many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
> details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
> boy how things have changed since then.
>
> My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
> one side.  You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
> radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)
>
> Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
> anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
> hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
> reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
> service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
> should be part of this group, no?
>
> I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
> us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
> (or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
> role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
> right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
> someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
> at all?
>
> I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
> protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
> books, reputation, relationships, etc.
>
> Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
> selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
> list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
> Sounded too good to be true.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay 
> wrote:
>
> > Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
> > business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
> > However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
> > scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
> > That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
> > improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?
> >
> > The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
> > interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard
> a
> > few stories does not seem to matter.
> > Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
> > Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
> > it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
> > start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
> > wally.
> > I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
> > good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.
> >
> > I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
> > this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his
> actions,
> > what did this list have to do with the split?
> > If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
> > be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
> > basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it might not
> have
> > been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got walk away and
> > cool off for a while.
> >
> > The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the
> > point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who is
> > hell bent on revenge.
> > Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy
> > wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts
> vendors.
> > Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and
> now
> > he is making the most of it, if he was such a good guy why would he say:
> >
> > "i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more
> > viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even
> > though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these
> > are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run
> away
> > from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened
> > criminal"
> >
> > Now that is strong stuff, he do

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread dseretakis

Perhaps, Rusty can repo it as Trent will unlikely make his payments? Does it 
work that way?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> I'm confused... how could Kaleb buy Rusty's business if its already been
> sold to Trent?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I guess I really don't care what happened in the past.  Let's all just let
>>> it go.  If Jabba can supply the parts you need at a good price and in a
>>> timely manner then who really cares what his opinions are?
>>> 
>>> Most of us shop at Walmart here in the USA.  Most of us agree they have
>>> done some bad things.  Some of us just plain can't afford to shop anywhere
>>> that doesn't provide the best price no matter what has happened.  Rusty is
>>> gone, Trent is gone, I have dealt with Gary when he worked with Rusty with
>>> nothing but excellent service and he seems to be the guy that can do the
>>> job.  Do we have a better choice other than to ask him to curtail his
>>> personal feelings on the list and allow him the chance to provide us with
>>> a
>>> convenience we miss?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> On Jun 19, 2013 2:26 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>>> 
 Rusty wrote:
> 
> It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 years before Gary
> became involved.
 
 My 'phone list still has it listed under that name...  with a note
 next to it indicating the new name.
 
 Guess that makes me an old-timer.  *sigh*
 
> --
>> 
>> We can order parts form the heap (or not) as we choose; without his being
>> un-banned.  Besides, the listmom is working on competing with the heap, so
>> why would we want all that venom on the list?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

I'm confused... how could Kaleb buy Rusty's business if its already been
sold to Trent?


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess I really don't care what happened in the past.  Let's all just let
>> it go.  If Jabba can supply the parts you need at a good price and in a
>> timely manner then who really cares what his opinions are?
>>
>> Most of us shop at Walmart here in the USA.  Most of us agree they have
>> done some bad things.  Some of us just plain can't afford to shop anywhere
>> that doesn't provide the best price no matter what has happened.  Rusty is
>> gone, Trent is gone, I have dealt with Gary when he worked with Rusty with
>> nothing but excellent service and he seems to be the guy that can do the
>> job.  Do we have a better choice other than to ask him to curtail his
>> personal feelings on the list and allow him the chance to provide us with
>> a
>> convenience we miss?
>>
>> Mike
>> On Jun 19, 2013 2:26 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:
>>
>>   > Rusty wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  > It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 years before Gary
>>>  > became involved.
>>>
>>>  My 'phone list still has it listed under that name...  with a note
>>>  next to it indicating the new name.
>>>
>>>  Guess that makes me an old-timer.  *sigh*
>>>
>>>   > --
>>
>
> We can order parts form the heap (or not) as we choose; without his being
> un-banned.  Besides, the listmom is working on competing with the heap, so
> why would we want all that venom on the list?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

Oops... clicked send too fast.

Anyway, how did Trent offer to sell parts below dealer cost!?  What
happened here?  And what kind of references did we have for this guy?  Who
vouched for him?  Maybe an explanation is in order, no?

Jaime


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a
> pretty ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.
>
> What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
> bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
> many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
> details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
> boy how things have changed since then.
>
> My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
> one side.  You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
> radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)
>
> Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
> anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
> hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
> reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
> service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
> should be part of this group, no?
>
> I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
> us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
> (or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
> role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
> right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
> someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
> at all?
>
> I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
> protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
> books, reputation, relationships, etc.
>
> Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
> selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
> list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
> Sounded too good to be true.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
>
>> Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
>> business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
>> However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
>> scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
>> That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
>> improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?
>>
>> The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
>> interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard a
>> few stories does not seem to matter.
>> Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
>> Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
>> it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
>> start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
>> wally.
>> I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
>> good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.
>>
>> I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
>> this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his actions,
>> what did this list have to do with the split?
>> If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
>> be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
>> basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it might not have
>> been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got walk away and
>> cool off for a while.
>>
>> The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the
>> point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who is
>> hell bent on revenge.
>> Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy
>> wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts vendors.
>> Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and
>> now he is making the most of it, if he was such a good guy why would he say:
>>
>> "i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more
>> viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even
>> though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these
>> are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run away
>> from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened
>> criminal"
>>
>> Now that is strong stuff, he does not seem to care about destroying
>> someone else or their livelihood (including the reputa

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a pretty
ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.

What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
boy how things have changed since then.

My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
one side.  You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)

Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
should be part of this group, no?

I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
(or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
at all?

I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
books, reputation, relationships, etc.

Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
Sounded too good to be true.

Jaime

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
> business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
> However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
> scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
> That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
> improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?
>
> The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
> interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard a
> few stories does not seem to matter.
> Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
> Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
> it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
> start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
> wally.
> I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
> good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.
>
> I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
> this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his actions,
> what did this list have to do with the split?
> If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
> be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
> basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it might not have
> been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got walk away and
> cool off for a while.
>
> The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the
> point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who is
> hell bent on revenge.
> Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy
> wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts vendors.
> Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and now
> he is making the most of it, if he was such a good guy why would he say:
>
> "i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more
> viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even
> though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these
> are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run away
> from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened
> criminal"
>
> Now that is strong stuff, he does not seem to care about destroying
> someone else or their livelihood (including the reputation of Rusty
> Cullens). What proof does he have of these "viciously crooked" things? I
> think the only thing he has is his believe that Rusty did the dirty on him,
> which we where all supposed to agree with and when some didn't he turned on
> us in a heart beat but no I got that wrong, Gary is a good guy and we are
> all vicious crooks evolving into hardened criminals.
>
> If Gary is a good man he should have

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match ARCHIVE

2013-06-19 Thread Mountain Man

Randy wrote:
> Say something petty or stupid and it is there forever.
>
> We should all take note of that.
>
> And, it might be time to switch to an alias like some of you use insetad of
> my own name so it would be harder to pin on me later.

Yah, well... I use the name maontin.man becuz it was Gary that
knighted me with that name probably a dozen years ago.
Who cares about NSA/PRISM/FBI when we have google as the repository of
all words such as risin and diesel fuel and fertilizer and lets blow
up some big building.
There, archives - have a bunch of #$&* fun with that!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

I guess I really don't care what happened in the past.  Let's all just let
it go.  If Jabba can supply the parts you need at a good price and in a
timely manner then who really cares what his opinions are?

Most of us shop at Walmart here in the USA.  Most of us agree they have
done some bad things.  Some of us just plain can't afford to shop anywhere
that doesn't provide the best price no matter what has happened.  Rusty is
gone, Trent is gone, I have dealt with Gary when he worked with Rusty with
nothing but excellent service and he seems to be the guy that can do the
job.  Do we have a better choice other than to ask him to curtail his
personal feelings on the list and allow him the chance to provide us with a
convenience we miss?

Mike
On Jun 19, 2013 2:26 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:

 > Rusty wrote:
 >
 > It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 years before Gary
 > became involved.

 My 'phone list still has it listed under that name...  with a note
 next to it indicating the new name.

 Guess that makes me an old-timer.  *sigh*

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We can order parts form the heap (or not) as we choose; without his 
being un-banned.  Besides, the listmom is working on competing with 
the heap, so why would we want all that venom on the list?

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread WILTON

Though I've tried hard to "get along" with Trent, I have no more 
expectations of it; 'didn't realize I had suggested such.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

All getting along is a difficult thing. Why should Rusty get along with 
someone who will not return 17K of his money? Why should we get along with 
a Trent who has stolen from us?

Personally, I have no gripe with Gary as he has never wronged me. He may 
be a bit wacky, but when it comes to selling car parts he appears to be 
principled. He also seems to be quite knowledgable with respect to older 
cars. He also claims to not sell China crap. I respect that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2013, at 1:27 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

I don't know what happened in the past, either.  'Don't even remember 
hearing so much (nor anything of substance) about it at the time - 'don't 
even know when "it" was.  'Must have been irrelevant for my needs then 
and certainly is now.  I do remember that Gary has always been very 
pleasant with me and has given me good service.  I do know, too, that 
we've been crapped upon by Rusty's replacement, and Rusty is not to be 
blamed for that. I also know that most of us have old cars (the newer 
ones, too) that occasionally need parts supplied in an honest, timely and 
dependable manner.

Can't we all just "get along," enjoy each other's camaraderie and 
continue to learn and gain from our very diverse experiences without any 
bickering and the tendency to "cut" one another occasionally?  Having 
grown up in a very large family, though, and having been married for 56 
years (+ 4 years "together" before that), I know how things can get a bit 
"testy" occasionally, but we still love each other and would not really 
hurt each other.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

Well you make some interesting points, but we are talking about car 
parts not the guy marrying your daughter, so I am sort of of the mind 
that if he can deliver the car parts I need with minimal drama and good 
service, then his past or current trash talk and whatever is mostly 
irrelevant.  He might be whack, but if he delivers stuff I pay for, and 
provides some value-add to the selection thereof, he is miles 
(kilometers) better than a thief.

But then again I don't have any strong opinions about whatever happened 
in the past, whoever's version of it, but to each his own... I do 
understand some might be offended or angry or not in tune with the 
noise.

I have corresponded with our local Sheriff dept guys, they are of the 
opinion that the Sterling IL po-pos should be dealing with the guy since 
that is where the problem resides, but since they won't one of them said 
he would give them a call and try to light a fire under them.  It was 
also a point of discussion that wire fraud (taking your money over the 
phone/net, not refunding, etc.) is a federal interstate crime but the 
feds probably don't care, they have bigger fish to fry.

--R

On 6/18/13 8:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I 
am the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best 
but as far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing 
anything about what is going on.

Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a 
bitter and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by 
basically taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there 
ever an apology offered?

Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have 
my little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the 
deal.
Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts 
stores over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only 
but I have a business number to show, which is all they care about.

Hendrik
who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI

you may not be so fortunate. i'm thinking this is buymbparts.biz is a 
ponzi scheme. basically, a few orders are shipped to "prove" that it is 
a legit business so more money can be brought in. after 3 months, there 
is maybe 100,000 dollars in outstanding orders, but that money will not 
b

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread John Reames

Feds likely won't get involved over less than 75k or so.

Of course if there were enough losses to add up to that...

Or the CC companies started complaining...

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On Jun 19, 2013, at 12:03, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> Well you make some interesting points, but we are talking about car parts not 
> the guy marrying your daughter, so I am sort of of the mind that if he can 
> deliver the car parts I need with minimal drama and good service, then his 
> past or current trash talk and whatever is mostly irrelevant.  He might be 
> whack, but if he delivers stuff I pay for, and provides some value-add to the 
> selection thereof, he is miles (kilometers) better than a thief.
> 
> But then again I don't have any strong opinions about whatever happened in 
> the past, whoever's version of it, but to each his own... I do understand 
> some might be offended or angry or not in tune with the noise.
> 
> I have corresponded with our local Sheriff dept guys, they are of the opinion 
> that the Sterling IL po-pos should be dealing with the guy since that is 
> where the problem resides, but since they won't one of them said he would 
> give them a call and try to light a fire under them.  It was also a point of 
> discussion that wire fraud (taking your money over the phone/net, not 
> refunding, etc.) is a federal interstate crime but the feds probably don't 
> care, they have bigger fish to fry.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 6/18/13 8:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
>> Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I am 
>> the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
>> There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best but as 
>> far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
>> Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing 
>> anything about what is going on.
>> Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
>> Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a bitter 
>> and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
>> Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by basically 
>> taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there ever an apology 
>> offered?
>> Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
>> However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have my 
>> little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the deal.

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match ARCHIVE

2013-06-19 Thread Randy Bennell




Boy, now if that is not a lesson that teaches you to be polite and 
reasonable on this list (and elsewhere)  then, what is??


All one has to do is type in a name and one gets the whole history.

Say something petty or stupid and it is there forever.

We should all take note of that.

And, it might be time to switch to an alias like some of you use insetad 
of my own name so it would be harder to pin on me later.


Randy


On 19/06/2013 1:21 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:31:10 -0500
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: 126die...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match


I find the endless flow of destructive words by many of you against Gary to
be sickening. All of you who are guilty of this should be ashamed of
yourself. You continued to kick a man who was already down. You believe
one sided stories that don't completely add up.

Seems to me the archives will show an "endless flow of destructive
words" originating with the fat blob.

Posted without comment.

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread dseretakis

All getting along is a difficult thing. Why should Rusty get along with someone 
who will not return 17K of his money? Why should we get along with a Trent who 
has stolen from us?

Personally, I have no gripe with Gary as he has never wronged me. He may be a 
bit wacky, but when it comes to selling car parts he appears to be principled. 
He also seems to be quite knowledgable with respect to older cars. He also 
claims to not sell China crap. I respect that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2013, at 1:27 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> I don't know what happened in the past, either.  'Don't even remember hearing 
> so much (nor anything of substance) about it at the time - 'don't even know 
> when "it" was.  'Must have been irrelevant for my needs then and certainly is 
> now.  I do remember that Gary has always been very pleasant with me and has 
> given me good service.  I do know, too, that we've been crapped upon by 
> Rusty's replacement, and Rusty is not to be blamed for that. I also know that 
> most of us have old cars (the newer ones, too) that occasionally need parts 
> supplied in an honest, timely and dependable manner.
> 
> Can't we all just "get along," enjoy each other's camaraderie and continue to 
> learn and gain from our very diverse experiences without any bickering and 
> the tendency to "cut" one another occasionally?  Having grown up in a very 
> large family, though, and having been married for 56 years (+ 4 years 
> "together" before that), I know how things can get a bit "testy" 
> occasionally, but we still love each other and would not really hurt each 
> other.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match
> 
> 
>> Well you make some interesting points, but we are talking about car parts 
>> not the guy marrying your daughter, so I am sort of of the mind that if he 
>> can deliver the car parts I need with minimal drama and good service, then 
>> his past or current trash talk and whatever is mostly irrelevant.  He might 
>> be whack, but if he delivers stuff I pay for, and provides some value-add to 
>> the selection thereof, he is miles (kilometers) better than a thief.
>> 
>> But then again I don't have any strong opinions about whatever happened in 
>> the past, whoever's version of it, but to each his own... I do understand 
>> some might be offended or angry or not in tune with the noise.
>> 
>> I have corresponded with our local Sheriff dept guys, they are of the 
>> opinion that the Sterling IL po-pos should be dealing with the guy since 
>> that is where the problem resides, but since they won't one of them said he 
>> would give them a call and try to light a fire under them.  It was also a 
>> point of discussion that wire fraud (taking your money over the phone/net, 
>> not refunding, etc.) is a federal interstate crime but the feds probably 
>> don't care, they have bigger fish to fry.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/18/13 8:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
>>> Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I am 
>>> the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
>>> There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best but as 
>>> far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
>>> Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing 
>>> anything about what is going on.
>>> Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
>>> Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a bitter 
>>> and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
>>> Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by basically 
>>> taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there ever an 
>>> apology offered?
>>> Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
>>> However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have my 
>>> little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the deal.
>>> Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts 
>>> stores over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only but I 
>>> have a business number to show, which is all they care about.
>>> 
>>> Hendrik
>>> who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> you may not

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Michael Canfield

I guess I really don't care what happened in the past.  Let's all just let
it go.  If Jabba can supply the parts you need at a good price and in a
timely manner then who really cares what his opinions are?

Most of us shop at Walmart here in the USA.  Most of us agree they have
done some bad things.  Some of us just plain can't afford to shop anywhere
that doesn't provide the best price no matter what has happened.  Rusty is
gone, Trent is gone, I have dealt with Gary when he worked with Rusty with
nothing but excellent service and he seems to be the guy that can do the
job.  Do we have a better choice other than to ask him to curtail his
personal feelings on the list and allow him the chance to provide us with a
convenience we miss?

Mike
On Jun 19, 2013 2:26 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:

> > Rusty wrote:
> >
> > It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 years before Gary
> > became involved.
>
> My 'phone list still has it listed under that name...  with a note
> next to it indicating the new name.
>
> Guess that makes me an old-timer.  *sigh*
>
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Fmiser

> Rusty wrote:
> 
> It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 years before Gary
> became involved.

My 'phone list still has it listed under that name...  with a note
next to it indicating the new name.

Guess that makes me an old-timer.  *sigh*

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Rick Knoble

> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:31:10 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> From: 126die...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match
>
>>
>>I find the endless flow of destructive words by many of you against Gary to
>>be sickening. All of you who are guilty of this should be ashamed of
>>yourself. You continued to kick a man who was already down. You believe
>>one sided stories that don't completely add up.
>
> Seems to me the archives will show an "endless flow of destructive
> words" originating with the fat blob.

Posted without comment.

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Rusty Cullens

Dan, Gary did actually come up with the name buyMBparts, the company however, 
he had nothing to do with. It was operating as Wholesale Parts, Inc. for 2 
years before Gary became involved.

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From: Mountain Man 
Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:17:20 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

Kaleb wrote:
> I always liked Gary but I think he is still off his rocket a bit. He was 
> talking about how he founded buymbparts 15 years ago. Bs.
>

Find the archives.
My memory recalls the story of bimby to be that much of the concept
and foundation of online benz parts was not in either Rusty or
Richarde experience.  Gary is the innovator, essentially.  Rusty
(parts biz) and Richarde (online coding) were the vehicles.  Find the
archives in Richarde's basement.

There is nothing about what Gary ever did that should gather a comment
such as "off his rocker" - that is totally specious and "off his
rocker" is the fundamentally acceptable manner of the forum in which
the fun was experienced.  Banned is by definition a place where abuse
is expected.  If a person cannot stand the format - banned is not the
place for them.  Abuse at banned is down about 99% which is a
fundamental of its decline.  Gary founded banned that way and lived to
that creedo, most did not like that.  That is not "off his rocker" in
the least.  Check the archives in richarde's basement.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Rusty Cullens

I find it amusing that a man that had $17,400 of my American Express deposits 
put into his business checking account and not refund me, would be calling 
anyone a crook. Can you say pot, kettle, black?

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Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:36:49 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

Perhaps but the point I was making is that Jabba might be trying to look 
all professional and such but a pro doesn't accuse others of illegal 
activities unless there is some sort of proof.
Basically he has accused Trent of being a crook based on a few 
complaints on internet forums, plus also put a pretty big slur on Rusty.
My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a 
character, even if he had the best price and service, or even offered 
free shipping to Oz.
Perhaps when Okiebenzparts.com gets up and going that great guy and good 
friend Kaleb will do me great deal on a new muffler.

Hendrik
who only slurs after a few beers

On 19/06/13 10:25, Michael Canfield wrote:
> Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.  Seems
> Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.
>
> Mike
>

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread WILTON

I don't know what happened in the past, either.  'Don't even remember 
hearing so much (nor anything of substance) about it at the time - 'don't 
even know when "it" was.  'Must have been irrelevant for my needs then and 
certainly is now.  I do remember that Gary has always been very pleasant 
with me and has given me good service.  I do know, too, that we've been 
crapped upon by Rusty's replacement, and Rusty is not to be blamed for that. 
I also know that most of us have old cars (the newer ones, too) that 
occasionally need parts supplied in an honest, timely and dependable manner.


Can't we all just "get along," enjoy each other's camaraderie and continue 
to learn and gain from our very diverse experiences without any bickering 
and the tendency to "cut" one another occasionally?  Having grown up in a 
very large family, though, and having been married for 56 years (+ 4 years 
"together" before that), I know how things can get a bit "testy" 
occasionally, but we still love each other and would not really hurt each 
other.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match


Well you make some interesting points, but we are talking about car parts 
not the guy marrying your daughter, so I am sort of of the mind that if he 
can deliver the car parts I need with minimal drama and good service, then 
his past or current trash talk and whatever is mostly irrelevant.  He 
might be whack, but if he delivers stuff I pay for, and provides some 
value-add to the selection thereof, he is miles (kilometers) better than a 
thief.


But then again I don't have any strong opinions about whatever happened in 
the past, whoever's version of it, but to each his own... I do understand 
some might be offended or angry or not in tune with the noise.


I have corresponded with our local Sheriff dept guys, they are of the 
opinion that the Sterling IL po-pos should be dealing with the guy since 
that is where the problem resides, but since they won't one of them said 
he would give them a call and try to light a fire under them.  It was also 
a point of discussion that wire fraud (taking your money over the 
phone/net, not refunding, etc.) is a federal interstate crime but the feds 
probably don't care, they have bigger fish to fry.


--R


On 6/18/13 8:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I 
am the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best but 
as far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing 
anything about what is going on.

Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a 
bitter and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by 
basically taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there 
ever an apology offered?

Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have 
my little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the deal.
Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts 
stores over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only but 
I have a business number to show, which is all they care about.


Hendrik
who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI


you may not be so fortunate. i'm thinking this is buymbparts.biz is a 
ponzi scheme. basically, a few orders are shipped to "prove" that it is a 
legit business so more money can be brought in. after 3 months, there is 
maybe 100,000 dollars in outstanding orders, but that money will not be 
in the bank as the flood of chargebacks is expected by the schemers. so 
maybe there is 5.000 in the bank for the bank to collect from and 
everyone else will be left with a loss.


in other words, your bank may not pay you if they cannot recover the 
money from the account it was deposited into when you purchased from 
buymbparts.biz. there may not be any money left, so my advice is try to 
get what you can ASAP


i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more 
viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even 
though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these 
are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run 
away from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a 
hardened criminal


i know for a fact that there are honest, conscientious and competent 
parts v

Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-19 Thread Rich Thomas

Well you make some interesting points, but we are talking about car
parts not the guy marrying your daughter, so I am sort of of the mind
that if he can deliver the car parts I need with minimal drama and good
service, then his past or current trash talk and whatever is mostly
irrelevant. He might be whack, but if he delivers stuff I pay for, and
provides some value-add to the selection thereof, he is miles
(kilometers) better than a thief.

But then again I don't have any strong opinions about whatever happened
in the past, whoever's version of it, but to each his own... I do
understand some might be offended or angry or not in tune with the noise.

I have corresponded with our local Sheriff dept guys, they are of the
opinion that the Sterling IL po-pos should be dealing with the guy since
that is where the problem resides, but since they won't one of them said
he would give them a call and try to light a fire under them. It was
also a point of discussion that wire fraud (taking your money over the
phone/net, not refunding, etc.) is a federal interstate crime but the
feds probably don't care, they have bigger fish to fry.

--R

On 6/18/13 8:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like
"I am the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best
but as far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing
anything about what is going on.

Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a
bitter and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by
basically taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there
ever an apology offered?

Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I
have my little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills
the deal.
Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts
stores over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only
but I have a business number to show, which is all they care about.

Hendrik
who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI

you may not be so fortunate. i'm thinking this is buymbparts.biz is a
ponzi scheme. basically, a few orders are shipped to "prove" that it
is a legit business so more money can be brought in. after 3 months,
there is maybe 100,000 dollars in outstanding orders, but that money
will not be in the bank as the flood of chargebacks is expected by the
schemers. so maybe there is 5.000 in the bank for the bank to collect
from and everyone else will be left with a loss.

in other words, your bank may not pay you if they cannot recover the
money from the account it was deposited into when you purchased from
buymbparts.biz. there may not be any money left, so my advice is try
to get what you can ASAP

i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and
more viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at
now. even though i've had nothing to do with this company for many
years now, these are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent
whose child has run away from home and now i see him on the nightly
news evolved into a hardened criminal

i know for a fact that there are honest, conscientious and competent
parts vendors out there as i am one myself. i personally believe i'm
the best one out there and many agree with me, but maybe you do not
and ought to buy from someone else. but why would you ever buy from an
outfit such as buymbparts.biz? is trent part of the mercedes community
? does he have any track record at all inmercedesparts
?
can you find any public record at all about him other than he gets
arrested for drunk driving? why does he look so much better than some
email from nigeria?

it boggles the mind how easily he/they has been able to pull this con
off. hopefully your bank will pay you off even if the money is not
there anymore.

Read
more:http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w211/295836-beware-buymbparts-com-2.html#ixzz2WcJ9hn8h

On 19/06/13 09:38, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

What about letting Gary back on the list? I think its time.

Jaime

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My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a 
character, even if he had the best price and service, or even 
offered free shipping to Oz.



Hendrik
who only slurs after a few beers


Hear Hear!  Well said!

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What about letting Gary back on the list?  I think its time.

Jaime


WHY?  everybody that wants has his phone number and website.  I am 
sure he subscribed to the list with an alias long ago  ...  if he 
wanted to.


We don't need his bull here.

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I find the endless flow of destructive words by many of you against Gary to
be sickening.  All of you who are guilty of this should be ashamed of
yourself.  You continued to kick a man who was already down.  You believe
one sided stories that don't completely add up.


Seems to me the archives will show an "endless flow of destructive 
words" originating with the fat blob.


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Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest 
business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned 
scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of 
improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?


The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in 
Garys interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just 
heard a few stories does not seem to matter.

Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, 
so it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if 
you start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit 
of a wally.
I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how 
good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.


I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into 
this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his 
actions, what did this list have to do with the split?
If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not 
be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation 
privately, basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it 
might not have been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got 
walk away and cool off for a while.


The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the 
point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who 
is hell bent on revenge.
Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy 
wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts vendors.
Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and 
now he is making the most of it, if he was such a good guy why would he say:
"i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more 
viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even 
though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, 
these are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has 
run away from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a 
hardened criminal"


Now that is strong stuff, he does not seem to care about destroying 
someone else or their livelihood (including the reputation of Rusty 
Cullens). What proof does he have of these "viciously crooked" things? I 
think the only thing he has is his believe that Rusty did the dirty on 
him, which we where all supposed to agree with and when some didn't he 
turned on us in a heart beat but no I got that wrong, Gary is a good guy 
and we are all vicious crooks evolving into hardened criminals.


If Gary is a good man he should have thought a lot harder about what he 
writes in public and how he treats people, especially those he has 
issues with.
And I do not follow your logic, we should not have kicked Gary even 
though he was happy enough to kick back and now that it is his turn to 
do some kicking, he certainly wasted no time putting on the pointy boots.
I see what he wrote on MBworld as a major kicking, perhaps Trent 
deserves it but my view is that a few kicks where aimed at Rusty as 
well, who is feeling very bad right now but no that's right Gary is the 
golden child and Rusty is the mean one.


Anyway we are all entitled to our view of the world, you reckon he is a 
good bloke who got done over, I reckon he has a mean streak that comes 
out now and then to play.
What everyone else thinks is up to them but I do remember we gave him a 
fair chance on here to calm down and play nice but that did not happen.


Basically that is what I see, you're welcome to prove me wrong and tell 
us exactly what makes Gary such a good man, I don't see it right now but 
I do not have closed mind either.


Hendrik
who would love to say that Gary is a good bloke but needs more proof of 
this and no the ability to organise shipment of parts from A to B does 
not constitute good guy status


On 19/06/13 12:25, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I find it very difficult to not respond to your comments Hendrik, as they
are quite strong.

Just a few basics:
  - I think we can all agree that Trent has taken several people's money and
not delivered anything.  Its been going on long enough for him to try to
make this right.  I can't imagine any excuse that would clear this at this
point, as nice as that would be.  And I can't imagine anyone here would
disagree with this.  I think its safe to say it:  hes a crook.
- I believe Gary is the best in the business.  I buy a lot of parts and
I've tried a lot of places.  Hes the only one that actually cares about
what he sells and delivers as promised.
- Gary has had his lively hood destroyed by a messy "divorce".  While he
acted in a way that offen

Re: [MBZ] Trent

2013-06-18 Thread Mountain Man

Jaime wrote:
> Dan, aren't you friends with Gary?

You know that - Yes I claim Gary as my friend.
Why?
What makes you think otherwise?
I merely suggested that Gary *might* be here.  After all, Dan and
Kaleb both claim multiple accounts at mercedeslist.
mao

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2013-06-18 Thread Mountain Man

Kaleb wrote:
> I always liked Gary but I think he is still off his rocket a bit. He was 
> talking about how he founded buymbparts 15 years ago. Bs.
>

Find the archives.
My memory recalls the story of bimby to be that much of the concept
and foundation of online benz parts was not in either Rusty or
Richarde experience.  Gary is the innovator, essentially.  Rusty
(parts biz) and Richarde (online coding) were the vehicles.  Find the
archives in Richarde's basement.

There is nothing about what Gary ever did that should gather a comment
such as "off his rocker" - that is totally specious and "off his
rocker" is the fundamentally acceptable manner of the forum in which
the fun was experienced.  Banned is by definition a place where abuse
is expected.  If a person cannot stand the format - banned is not the
place for them.  Abuse at banned is down about 99% which is a
fundamental of its decline.  Gary founded banned that way and lived to
that creedo, most did not like that.  That is not "off his rocker" in
the least.  Check the archives in richarde's basement.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Trent

2013-06-18 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Dan, aren't you friends with Gary?  Don't you talk to him frequently?  Just
like many others here?

Ask him yourself!

No, hes not this list.  But many of his friends and supports are.  I'm one
of them.  Are you?

Jaime



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Jaime wrote:
> > What about letting Gary back on the list?  I think its time.
>
> I bet he is here already.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Trent

2013-06-18 Thread Mountain Man

Jaime wrote:
> What about letting Gary back on the list?  I think its time.

I bet he is here already.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-18 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

I find it very difficult to not respond to your comments Hendrik, as they
are quite strong.

Just a few basics:
 - I think we can all agree that Trent has taken several people's money and
not delivered anything.  Its been going on long enough for him to try to
make this right.  I can't imagine any excuse that would clear this at this
point, as nice as that would be.  And I can't imagine anyone here would
disagree with this.  I think its safe to say it:  hes a crook.
- I believe Gary is the best in the business.  I buy a lot of parts and
I've tried a lot of places.  Hes the only one that actually cares about
what he sells and delivers as promised.
- Gary has had his lively hood destroyed by a messy "divorce".  While he
acted in a way that offended many, I can understand his actions.  Put
yourself in his shoes.
- I'm certainly not looking to start a debate about who did what and who
started what, but consider this:  Rusty, Gary, and Richard together played
a significant role in creating this community and creating a successful
online parts business.  Anyone who knows the three for a long time would
agree:  None of them could have accomplished anything without the each
other.

I find the endless flow of destructive words by many of you against Gary to
be sickening.  All of you who are guilty of this should be ashamed of
yourself.  You continued to kick a man who was already down.  You believe
one sided stories that don't completely add up.

Everyone needs to stop and really think about whats going on here.  You're
making a terrible mistake.

And Hendrick:  its a shame you're so vocal about something which you hold
little or no stake in.  I hope you sleep well tonight, thinking about the
effects of your comments on the livelihood of a good man.

Completely disgusted,
Jaime





On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> Perhaps but the point I was making is that Jabba might be trying to look
> all professional and such but a pro doesn't accuse others of illegal
> activities unless there is some sort of proof.
> Basically he has accused Trent of being a crook based on a few complaints
> on internet forums, plus also put a pretty big slur on Rusty.
> My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a character,
> even if he had the best price and service, or even offered free shipping to
> Oz.
> Perhaps when Okiebenzparts.com gets up and going that great guy and good
> friend Kaleb will do me great deal on a new muffler.
>
> Hendrik
> who only slurs after a few beers
>
>
> On 19/06/13 10:25, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.
>>  Seems
>> Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

Or perhaps put in a plug along the lines of, "Having trouble getting 
quality parts at a good price? Allow me to introduce myself and the 
services I offer.."


Hendrik
who has some beads for sale at crazy prices that can't last, so do 
yourself a favour and come on down to Crazy Hendriks quality bead 
emporium, where it's sale time all the time and remember all the other 
bead sellers are crooked as a dogs hind leg


On 19/06/13 11:41, Curt Raymond wrote:

A real class act vendor would stay out of the muck all together.

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-18 Thread Curt Raymond

A real class act vendor would stay out of the muck all together.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:36:49 +0930
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Perhaps but the point I was making is that Jabba might be trying to look 
all professional and such but a pro doesn't accuse others of illegal 
activities unless there is some sort of proof.
Basically he has accused Trent of being a crook based on a few 
complaints on internet forums, plus also put a pretty big slur on Rusty.
My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a 
character, even if he had the best price and service, or even offered 
free shipping to Oz.
Perhaps when Okiebenzparts.com gets up and going that great guy and good 
friend Kaleb will do me great deal on a new muffler.

Hendrik
who only slurs after a few beers

On 19/06/13 10:25, Michael Canfield wrote:
> Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.  Seems
> Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.
>
> Mike

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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas


Have you flogged beads to natives?

--R

On 6/18/13 8:56 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
I realise that he went through a bad patch with his divorce from Rusty 
but that is little excuse to abuse people because essentially they are 
not agreeing with your viewpoint.
Anyway if youre gonna be flogging beads to the natives you don't want 
some other snake oil salesman to set up shop opposite yours.


Hendrik
who has never been in a divorce

On 19/06/13 10:19, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I always liked Gary but I think he is still off his rocket a bit. He 
was talking about how he founded buymbparts 15 years ago. Bs.




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Perhaps but the point I was making is that Jabba might be trying to look 
all professional and such but a pro doesn't accuse others of illegal 
activities unless there is some sort of proof.
Basically he has accused Trent of being a crook based on a few 
complaints on internet forums, plus also put a pretty big slur on Rusty.
My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a 
character, even if he had the best price and service, or even offered 
free shipping to Oz.
Perhaps when Okiebenzparts.com gets up and going that great guy and good 
friend Kaleb will do me great deal on a new muffler.


Hendrik
who only slurs after a few beers

On 19/06/13 10:25, Michael Canfield wrote:

Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.  Seems
Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.

Mike




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I realise that he went through a bad patch with his divorce from Rusty 
but that is little excuse to abuse people because essentially they are 
not agreeing with your viewpoint.
Anyway if youre gonna be flogging beads to the natives you don't want 
some other snake oil salesman to set up shop opposite yours.


Hendrik
who has never been in a divorce

On 19/06/13 10:19, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I always liked Gary but I think he is still off his rocket a bit. He was 
talking about how he founded buymbparts 15 years ago. Bs.



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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-18 Thread Michael Canfield

Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.  Seems
Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.

Mike
On Jun 18, 2013 8:33 PM, "Hendrik and Fay"  wrote:

> Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I am
> the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
> There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best but
> as far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
> Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing
> anything about what is going on.
> Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
> Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a bitter
> and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
> Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by basically
> taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there ever an
> apology offered?
> Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
> However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have my
> little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the deal.
> Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts
> stores over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only but I
> have a business number to show, which is all they care about.
>
> Hendrik
> who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI
>
>
> you may not be so fortunate. i'm thinking this is buymbparts.biz is a
> ponzi scheme. basically, a few orders are shipped to "prove" that it is a
> legit business so more money can be brought in. after 3 months, there is
> maybe 100,000 dollars in outstanding orders, but that money will not be in
> the bank as the flood of chargebacks is expected by the schemers. so maybe
> there is 5.000 in the bank for the bank to collect from and everyone else
> will be left with a loss.
>
> in other words, your bank may not pay you if they cannot recover the money
> from the account it was deposited into when you purchased from
> buymbparts.biz. there may not be any money left, so my advice is try to
> get what you can ASAP
>
> i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more
> viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even
> though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these
> are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run away
> from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened
> criminal
>
> i know for a fact that there are honest, conscientious and competent parts
> vendors out there as i am one myself. i personally believe i'm the best one
> out there and many agree with me, but maybe you do not and ought to buy
> from someone else. but why would you ever buy from an outfit such as
> buymbparts.biz? is trent part of the mercedes community ? does he have
> any track record at all inmercedesparts  1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=**10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&**
> customid=CUSTOMID&catId=6000&**type=2&ext=170960925573&item=**170960925573>?
> can you find any public record at all about him other than he gets arrested
> for drunk driving? why does he look so much better than some email from
> nigeria?
>
> it boggles the mind how easily he/they has been able to pull this con off.
> hopefully your bank will pay you off even if the money is not there anymore.
>
>
>
> Read more:http://mbworld.org/**forums/e-class-w211/295836-**
> beware-buymbparts-com-2.html#**ixzz2WcJ9hn8h
>
>
> On 19/06/13 09:38, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> What about letting Gary back on the list?  I think its time.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match

2013-06-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I always liked Gary but I think he is still off his rocket a bit. He was 
talking about how he founded buymbparts 15 years ago. Bs.

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On Jun 18, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> Dunno, the way he was talking over at MBworld put me off, stuff like "I am 
> the best parts vendor, blah blah blah"
> There is being confident in your abilities and aiming to be the best but as 
> far as declarations of being best, that is done by others.
> Plus he was not shy in sinking the slipper into Trent, without knowing 
> anything about what is going on.
> Not a lawyer but Trent could have grounds to sue for slander.
> Basically I think Jabba is trying to behave but I can still sense a bitter 
> and angry man lurking somewhere in the great mass.
> Far as I am concerned he showed his level of commitment to us by basically 
> taking a big dump on his potential customers here. Was there ever an apology 
> offered?
> Guess he is that good he can afford to crap an a few customers.
> However end of the day it's up to Kaleb as it doesn't affect me, I have my 
> little parts dealers over here and as always shipping kills the deal.
> Speaking of which, don't you people have bricks and mortar Euro parts stores 
> over there? I have two here, which technically are trade only but I have a 
> business number to show, which is all they care about.
> 
> Hendrik
> who has included Gary Hursts post on MBworld below, FYI
> 
> 
> you may not be so fortunate. i'm thinking this is buymbparts.biz is a ponzi 
> scheme. basically, a few orders are shipped to "prove" that it is a legit 
> business so more money can be brought in. after 3 months, there is maybe 
> 100,000 dollars in outstanding orders, but that money will not be in the bank 
> as the flood of chargebacks is expected by the schemers. so maybe there is 
> 5.000 in the bank for the bank to collect from and everyone else will be left 
> with a loss.
> 
> in other words, your bank may not pay you if they cannot recover the money 
> from the account it was deposited into when you purchased from 
> buymbparts.biz. there may not be any money left, so my advice is try to get 
> what you can ASAP
> 
> i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more 
> viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even 
> though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these are 
> sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run away from 
> home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened criminal
> 
> i know for a fact that there are honest, conscientious and competent parts 
> vendors out there as i am one myself. i personally believe i'm the best one 
> out there and many agree with me, but maybe you do not and ought to buy from 
> someone else. but why would you ever buy from an outfit such as 
> buymbparts.biz? is trent part of the mercedes community ? does he have any 
> track record at all inmercedesparts 
> ?
>  can you find any public record at all about him other than he gets arrested 
> for drunk driving? why does he look so much better than some email from 
> nigeria?
> 
> it boggles the mind how easily he/they has been able to pull this con off. 
> hopefully your bank will pay you off even if the money is not there anymore.
> 
> 
> 
> Read 
> more:http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w211/295836-beware-buymbparts-com-2.html#ixzz2WcJ9hn8h
> 
> 
> On 19/06/13 09:38, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>> What about letting Gary back on the list?  I think its time.
>> 
>> Jaime
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trent vesus Jabba death match