Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
> > > G wrote: > > > > > > The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the > > > end of the front stroke. > > Mitch wrote: > > > > At least this one has a clutch and a gearbox, so if you stop > > at exactly TDC you can still get it rolling. By de-clutching and turning the flywheel by hand? > Craig wrote: > > Which is why freight train locomotives have their two sides out > of phase. The other reason is smoother torque. Because as the one side nears the end of the stroke (0 or 180 deg) where the torque is less, the other side is nearing max torque (90 or 270 deg) net result is fairly smooth torque even at low rpm. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
On Wed, 04 Nov 2020 12:36:47 -0600 Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On 2020-11-04 12:32, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single > > cylinder is actually two... > > The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of the > > front stroke. > > At least this one has a clutch and a gearbox, so if you stop at exactly > TDC you can still get it rolling. Which is why freight train locomotives have their two sides out of phase. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
On 2020-11-04 12:32, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single cylinder is actually two... The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of the front stroke. At least this one has a clutch and a gearbox, so if you stop at exactly TDC you can still get it rolling. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single cylinder is actually two... The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of the front stroke. On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:19 PM ned kleinhenz via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Zero rpm torque? Sounds like a calculated thing based on the maximum force > the piston applies to the crankshaft. I assume the crank lever arm is 1/2 > the stroke. This Case locomotive only has one cylinder. That makes the > zero rpm torque = (1/2bore)squared X pi X steam psig X (1/2 stroke). > Ned > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Zero rpm torque? Sounds like a calculated thing based on the maximum force the piston applies to the crankshaft. I assume the crank lever arm is 1/2 the stroke. This Case locomotive only has one cylinder. That makes the zero rpm torque = (1/2bore)squared X pi X steam psig X (1/2 stroke). Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
I've got a 2 bottom, I think 16" rollover plow. The Super M walks away with it but that's a 3 plow tractor.I should make a video some day, its pretty Rube Goldberg looking when it rolls over... -Curt On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 6:34:47 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On 2020-11-03 18:11, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Yeah, having worked on farms as a kid and even driven the occasional > tractor during plowing and planting season, that 36 bottom plow was > pretty hard to grasp. I have experience with two kinds of plows, 14" moldboards and 16". First tractor I ever drove, Allis Chalmers CA, could pull 2x14" on about 25hp and very little weight. Those 36 plows looked smaller than 14s to me, but 36 of them = Wow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
On 2020-11-03 18:11, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, having worked on farms as a kid and even driven the occasional tractor during plowing and planting season, that 36 bottom plow was pretty hard to grasp. I have experience with two kinds of plows, 14" moldboards and 16". First tractor I ever drove, Allis Chalmers CA, could pull 2x14" on about 25hp and very little weight. Those 36 plows looked smaller than 14s to me, but 36 of them = Wow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Yeah, having worked on farms as a kid and even driven the occasional tractor during plowing and planting season, that 36 bottom plow was pretty hard to grasp. I noticed in the comments that someone joked about it not being crippled by the manufacturer (like John Deere) to prevent the owner/user from working on it. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > You could see the balls spinning on the governor on top, that was cool. I > liked how they had all those people working the plows. I want some striped > overhauls like that girl was wearing > > -_FT > > On 11/3/20 2:10 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >>> And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info >>> (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be >>> calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. >> Well, it's a one-lunger, and they said they're running 180PSI somewhere in >> the >> videos. Looks to be a foot or so in diameter... >> >> There's also the axle (drawbar) torque. I don't know what the 'balls-out' >> RPM >> of the engine is, but they said ground speed is 2.5mph. (In low gear, which >> is >> for plowing.) >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Check out the YouTube videos of those traction engines beating the pants off modern diesels in tractor pulls -- once you get them pulling hard, if the firebox is stoked properly (as in a full bed of coked out coal) the harder it works the more air you pull through the firebox and the more steam you have. Forty foot geyser of red-hot ash blowing out the stack is pretty impressive, as is the pulling sled going off the end of the track at 5 mph. Ditto for measuring the hp output -- ever seen a flat belt with about six FOOT of stretch in it? Loose end dragging on the ground with the tight end dead straight for 25 ft. Only drawback is the rather excessive fuel consumption. And the fact that most people who run them have no idea of how to fire an intermittent draw steam boiler. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
You could see the balls spinning on the governor on top, that was cool. I liked how they had all those people working the plows. I want some striped overhauls like that girl was wearing -_FT On 11/3/20 2:10 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. Well, it's a one-lunger, and they said they're running 180PSI somewhere in the videos. Looks to be a foot or so in diameter... There's also the axle (drawbar) torque. I don't know what the 'balls-out' RPM of the engine is, but they said ground speed is 2.5mph. (In low gear, which is for plowing.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
We like to stop at the Amish stores up north. They have "fry pies" that are to die for. The best ice cream I've ever had was when we went to the Coleman convention in Charlotte. An Amish guy was making it from scratch with an ice cream maker belted to an old John Deere hit and miss engine. The best, creamiest ice cream I've ever had... -Curt On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 11:52:36 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, never missed a meal when I had to call on our Amish customers. Funny, as there’s a big community of Amish and Mennonites in Bradenton, about 45 minutes south of here. They do all the requisite furniture building and have a couple of big “family style” restaurants that also sell pies and other goodies. The sort of funny part is that it’s a big vacation spot for the northern Amish, who come down in the winter in van loads and can be seen walking on the beach in full Amish regalia. Just sort of a weird contrast when you see the “Englishmen/women” on the beach in their bikinis and swimsuits with a bunch of Amish people sprinkled in between. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > good plan > > --FT > > On 11/3/20 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. >> >> -D > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
> And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info > (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be > calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. Well, it's a one-lunger, and they said they're running 180PSI somewhere in the videos. Looks to be a foot or so in diameter... There's also the axle (drawbar) torque. I don't know what the 'balls-out' RPM of the engine is, but they said ground speed is 2.5mph. (In low gear, which is for plowing.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Now I'm having visions of Amish guys going to the beach to ogle the underdressed English, like a former coworker used to like to go down to the beach at Cozumel to look for 'exotic birds'. (beware of exotic iguanas) Mitch. On 2020-11-03 11:51, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, never missed a meal when I had to call on our Amish customers. Funny, as there’s a big community of Amish and Mennonites in Bradenton, about 45 minutes south of here. They do all the requisite furniture building and have a couple of big “family style” restaurants that also sell pies and other goodies. The sort of funny part is that it’s a big vacation spot for the northern Amish, who come down in the winter in van loads and can be seen walking on the beach in full Amish regalia. Just sort of a weird contrast when you see the “Englishmen/women” on the beach in their bikinis and swimsuits with a bunch of Amish people sprinkled in between. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
too funny. This guy who had the sawmill (before he got crushed by a load of oak railroad ties that fell off a flatbed) told me he and a bunch had come down to SC after hurricane Hugo I guess, and worked down here for several months, he knew where I lived. They get around as long as the English will drive them somewhere. When I was in college we went up to some bar just over the border in Michigan (18 drinking at the time) and it was really funny, these Amish girls would show up in their Amish garb, go into the restroom and change into mini-skirts and makeup then come out and party. They were totally hot too, I was thinking about hitting on a couple but my buddies dissuaded me. I have always regretted that decision... --FT On 11/3/20 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, never missed a meal when I had to call on our Amish customers. Funny, as there’s a big community of Amish and Mennonites in Bradenton, about 45 minutes south of here. They do all the requisite furniture building and have a couple of big “family style” restaurants that also sell pies and other goodies. The sort of funny part is that it’s a big vacation spot for the northern Amish, who come down in the winter in van loads and can be seen walking on the beach in full Amish regalia. Just sort of a weird contrast when you see the “Englishmen/women” on the beach in their bikinis and swimsuits with a bunch of Amish people sprinkled in between. -D On Nov 3, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: good plan --FT On 11/3/20 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. -D -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Yeah, never missed a meal when I had to call on our Amish customers. Funny, as there’s a big community of Amish and Mennonites in Bradenton, about 45 minutes south of here. They do all the requisite furniture building and have a couple of big “family style” restaurants that also sell pies and other goodies. The sort of funny part is that it’s a big vacation spot for the northern Amish, who come down in the winter in van loads and can be seen walking on the beach in full Amish regalia. Just sort of a weird contrast when you see the “Englishmen/women” on the beach in their bikinis and swimsuits with a bunch of Amish people sprinkled in between. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > good plan > > --FT > > On 11/3/20 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. >> >> -D > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
good plan --FT On 11/3/20 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. -D -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
On 2020-11-03 09:45, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I think I've mentioned that a friend of mine has a single engine museum in his backyard. "The Whately Engine Museum". He (usually) does a yearly Coleman gathering, during that if you look at an engine too long his dad will come over and fire it up. Some are huge, theres one that ran a light plant where the flywheels are like six feet in diameter and filled with lead to smooth out the engine impulse. I forget what they weigh but its crazy... I totally spaced out when you were in Charlotte, should have taken you and Angie to meet Norm. Norm Stevens of Bellevue has a few steam engines on wheels (like Dan said, used more like a portable power plant than a tractor) and a whole lot of antique tractors, and a Waltons style sawmill with big leather belts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
Very cool -_FT On 11/3/20 10:56 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Buggered wrote: I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm 2626 lb-ft of torque = 150 HP at 300 RPM. And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
I’ve mentioned before that when I was in the generator business in Indiana we also repped for some industrial engine lines, like White-Hercules. Sold lots of diesel engines to the Amish in northern Indiana for their shops, like wood shops and other such places. The engines would be in a little shed hanging off the side of the building, running a jackshaft that went through the attic area of the building where they had belts running to their machines. I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > These gatherings were south of FtWayne out in the country. They had the > threshers set up, basically big (somewhat) stationary steam engines with big > pulley wheels (like 4ft diameter or more) driving large leather belts that > were attached to the threshing machines. I guess they could use the steam > power unit as a tractor like that one in the vid, I noticed it had a big > drive pulley on the R side too. The whole set up at these things was really > impressive, lots of smoke and steam and noise from these massive machines. > What more could a kid want? > > I think the Amish still maintain these things to use on their farms. I used > to get lumber from a sawmill in a little town in KY near where my parents' > farm was, big Amish clan in the area, a guy had the sawmill with a > diesel-driven mill like a Woodmizer. Another one had a big wood shop all > driven by a diesel engine and belts in troughs in the floors, but they also > had a sorghum syrup operation that was fired by a big steam boiler and > engine. No idea where they got the thing, it was massive, but they had moved > it there and built a building around it to run the syrup operation. I think > they had something set up too for the women to can stuff that they sold. [ I > remember going there one day, the guy with the syrup operation had a bunch of > daughters, there was one about 15, very cute girl, and there was a boy kinda > hanging around sniffing around... while I was talking to the guy he is > watching this and excuses himself and goes over and yells at the boy in > Deutsche to get the hell back to work and leave her alone. The girl got all > embarrassed and the boy high-tailed it out of there... it was pretty funny. > I told him I had a daughter too and knew what all that was about and he got a > laugh out of that.] > > --FT > > On 11/3/20 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> First time I saw one of these gatherings was at the railroad museum in >> Sacramento, CA. I was out there for business and had brought the family to >> enjoy an extended weekend. We were looking for something to do and saw there >> was some sort of big event at the museum, so we went there for the day. They >> had the guys with a large scale steam powered trains you could ride on and a >> whole bunch of old farm engines. >> >> Growing up in Indiana and working on farms I had heard of these and even >> seen a few tucked away in barns and sheds, but never seen one run. The “hit >> or miss” engines were really pretty amazing to me, with their large >> flywheels and low speeds. Watching these guys set these things up with the >> massive belts to run equipment was really a treat. >> >> I would like to go to one of these gatherings again, it was pretty cool. I >> belong to a vintage generator forum that also has areas for vintage engines, >> too. I rarely look at the other stuff, but it’s pretty cool. >> >> -D >> >>> On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> “Not approved for use in California” >>> >>> “Pending OSHA Review” >>> >>> When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in >>> Indiana where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would >>> be working. It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of >>> torque at 150rpm >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iPhone >>> On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. 150hp at 300 rpm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did survive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
> Buggered wrote: > I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm 2626 lb-ft of torque = 150 HP at 300 RPM. And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
These gatherings were south of FtWayne out in the country. They had the threshers set up, basically big (somewhat) stationary steam engines with big pulley wheels (like 4ft diameter or more) driving large leather belts that were attached to the threshing machines. I guess they could use the steam power unit as a tractor like that one in the vid, I noticed it had a big drive pulley on the R side too. The whole set up at these things was really impressive, lots of smoke and steam and noise from these massive machines. What more could a kid want? I think the Amish still maintain these things to use on their farms. I used to get lumber from a sawmill in a little town in KY near where my parents' farm was, big Amish clan in the area, a guy had the sawmill with a diesel-driven mill like a Woodmizer. Another one had a big wood shop all driven by a diesel engine and belts in troughs in the floors, but they also had a sorghum syrup operation that was fired by a big steam boiler and engine. No idea where they got the thing, it was massive, but they had moved it there and built a building around it to run the syrup operation. I think they had something set up too for the women to can stuff that they sold. [ I remember going there one day, the guy with the syrup operation had a bunch of daughters, there was one about 15, very cute girl, and there was a boy kinda hanging around sniffing around... while I was talking to the guy he is watching this and excuses himself and goes over and yells at the boy in Deutsche to get the hell back to work and leave her alone. The girl got all embarrassed and the boy high-tailed it out of there... it was pretty funny. I told him I had a daughter too and knew what all that was about and he got a laugh out of that.] --FT On 11/3/20 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: First time I saw one of these gatherings was at the railroad museum in Sacramento, CA. I was out there for business and had brought the family to enjoy an extended weekend. We were looking for something to do and saw there was some sort of big event at the museum, so we went there for the day. They had the guys with a large scale steam powered trains you could ride on and a whole bunch of old farm engines. Growing up in Indiana and working on farms I had heard of these and even seen a few tucked away in barns and sheds, but never seen one run. The “hit or miss” engines were really pretty amazing to me, with their large flywheels and low speeds. Watching these guys set these things up with the massive belts to run equipment was really a treat. I would like to go to one of these gatherings again, it was pretty cool. I belong to a vintage generator forum that also has areas for vintage engines, too. I rarely look at the other stuff, but it’s pretty cool. -D On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: “Not approved for use in California” “Pending OSHA Review” When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in Indiana where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would be working. It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm --FT Sent from iPhone On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. 150hp at 300 rpm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did survive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
I think I've mentioned that a friend of mine has a single engine museum in his backyard. "The Whately Engine Museum". He (usually) does a yearly Coleman gathering, during that if you look at an engine too long his dad will come over and fire it up. Some are huge, theres one that ran a light plant where the flywheels are like six feet in diameter and filled with lead to smooth out the engine impulse. I forget what they weigh but its crazy... -Curt On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 8:56:27 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: First time I saw one of these gatherings was at the railroad museum in Sacramento, CA. I was out there for business and had brought the family to enjoy an extended weekend. We were looking for something to do and saw there was some sort of big event at the museum, so we went there for the day. They had the guys with a large scale steam powered trains you could ride on and a whole bunch of old farm engines. Growing up in Indiana and working on farms I had heard of these and even seen a few tucked away in barns and sheds, but never seen one run. The “hit or miss” engines were really pretty amazing to me, with their large flywheels and low speeds. Watching these guys set these things up with the massive belts to run equipment was really a treat. I would like to go to one of these gatherings again, it was pretty cool. I belong to a vintage generator forum that also has areas for vintage engines, too. I rarely look at the other stuff, but it’s pretty cool. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > “Not approved for use in California” > > “Pending OSHA Review” > > When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in Indiana > where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would be working. > It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. >> BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. >> 150hp at 300 rpm. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk >> >> There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. >> They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did >> survive. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
First time I saw one of these gatherings was at the railroad museum in Sacramento, CA. I was out there for business and had brought the family to enjoy an extended weekend. We were looking for something to do and saw there was some sort of big event at the museum, so we went there for the day. They had the guys with a large scale steam powered trains you could ride on and a whole bunch of old farm engines. Growing up in Indiana and working on farms I had heard of these and even seen a few tucked away in barns and sheds, but never seen one run. The “hit or miss” engines were really pretty amazing to me, with their large flywheels and low speeds. Watching these guys set these things up with the massive belts to run equipment was really a treat. I would like to go to one of these gatherings again, it was pretty cool. I belong to a vintage generator forum that also has areas for vintage engines, too. I rarely look at the other stuff, but it’s pretty cool. -D > On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > “Not approved for use in California” > > “Pending OSHA Review” > > When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in Indiana > where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would be working. > It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. >> BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. >> 150hp at 300 rpm. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk >> >> There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. >> They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did >> survive. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
“Not approved for use in California” “Pending OSHA Review” When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in Indiana where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would be working. It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm --FT Sent from iPhone > On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. > BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. > 150hp at 300 rpm. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk > > There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. > They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did > survive. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train
I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. 150hp at 300 rpm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did survive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkwBsCj_Us ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
