Re: [MBZ] a/c questions
Hey Dwight, Don't know if it's something happening at all MB dealers but they seem to becoming *much* more interested in pleasing customers at a time *other* than when a big check is being written. I had our local MB dealer change the rear axle juice (which I provided) for me. Called them at 9AM and set up an appointment - they performed the work at 2PM. Along with changeing the rear axle fluid they also washed and vacuumed the car - all was done quickly for $25. Things have really changed! LarryT 78 240D s Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions Anthony, Strangely enough, after being refused the local Indies, I found an MB dealer who kept r-12 around- said they used it for customers with vintage systems. Charge me $100 to test and recharge- FWIW. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Galioto Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] a/c questions I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge. All the places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well. I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products. I have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it. Any suggestions and advice are welcomed. -- Anthony -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/ea 218332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a/c questions
Yes Larry. That's great. Of the three dealers I can access easily, one is still criminal-remember lister John Peterson's transmission saga there a few years ago? The other one is helpful but not particularly good on old diesels. They even bring me a loaner car when they take the 240D in-pretty funny. But the best one advertises a 'classic care center' with a big poster of 108/109 and they say the three techs have a combined 78 years experience on old MB's. You can talk to the techs, etc. Of course, shop rate is higher but they give me a loaner (usually a beat W202) so I don't mind the 50 mile trip-the sales manager has a mint 124 E420, so I stop and BS with him. Really a candy store trip. In fairness though, at our New England MB fest last fall there was a story of how they had seriously overcharged another lister on an SL repair. For anyone near New London CT, it is Carriage House MB. Well one bright side of the recession -especially in the cr business is that they might start paying attention to the service and parts end of the business. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions Hey Dwight, Don't know if it's something happening at all MB dealers but they seem to becoming *much* more interested in pleasing customers at a time *other* than when a big check is being written. I had our local MB dealer change the rear axle juice (which I provided) for me. Called them at 9AM and set up an appointment - they performed the work at 2PM. Along with changeing the rear axle fluid they also washed and vacuumed the car - all was done quickly for $25. Things have really changed! LarryT 78 240D s Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions Anthony, Strangely enough, after being refused the local Indies, I found an MB dealer who kept r-12 around- said they used it for customers with vintage systems. Charge me $100 to test and recharge- FWIW. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Galioto Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] a/c questions I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge. All the places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well. I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products. I have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it. Any suggestions and advice are welcomed. -- Anthony -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/ea 218332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's very surprising... When I pull into the local MB dealer for parts driving an 80s MBZ, they treat me like I have some sort of disease they don't want to catch. Even if they have 20 employees on staff, they immediately peg me as the sort of guy that isn't about to buy a $100k car so it takes a LONG time to talk to anyone, and they make very little effort to sell me anything. Tyler LarryT wrote: Hey Dwight, Don't know if it's something happening at all MB dealers but they seem to becoming *much* more interested in pleasing customers at a time *other* than when a big check is being written. I had our local MB dealer change the rear axle juice (which I provided) for me. Called them at 9AM and set up an appointment - they performed the work at 2PM. Along with changeing the rear axle fluid they also washed and vacuumed the car - all was done quickly for $25. Things have really changed! LarryT 78 240D s Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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tyler wrote: That's very surprising... When I pull into the local MB dealer for parts driving an 80s MBZ, they treat me like I have some sort of disease they don't want to catch. Even if they have 20 employees on staff, they immediately peg me as the sort of guy that isn't about to buy a $100k car so it takes a LONG time to talk to anyone, and they make very little effort to sell me anything. Maybe Larry's dealer is in financial trouble to the point where they are willing to lower themselves to treating an old fart like his money is worth taking. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tyler, Well maybe if the recession hits them hard enough they finally pay attention to you. I hope so. But we do have a MB dealership like that too. They are a mega multi marque dealer. I have noticed that another dealer now sends me e-mail service specials about every week. Where are you? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions That's very surprising... When I pull into the local MB dealer for parts driving an 80s MBZ, they treat me like I have some sort of disease they don't want to catch. Even if they have 20 employees on staff, they immediately peg me as the sort of guy that isn't about to buy a $100k car so it takes a LONG time to talk to anyone, and they make very little effort to sell me anything. Tyler LarryT wrote: Hey Dwight, Don't know if it's something happening at all MB dealers but they seem to becoming *much* more interested in pleasing customers at a time *other* than when a big check is being written. I had our local MB dealer change the rear axle juice (which I provided) for me. Called them at 9AM and set up an appointment - they performed the work at 2PM. Along with changeing the rear axle fluid they also washed and vacuumed the car - all was done quickly for $25. Things have really changed! LarryT 78 240D s Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm in Riverside, CA. This same dealer who scorns and ignores me when I go in has been given numerous customer service awards by Mercedes Benz. My wife won't go in with me anymore when I pick up parts, since she was so offended by the way they treated us the one time she came. It must take a certain type of person to work at a Mercedes dealership; I would never be able to tell a customer with a straight face that the tiny coolant hose they're looking for will cost $375.67 and will take 1 week to come from Germany. Tyler Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Tyler, Well maybe if the recession hits them hard enough they finally pay attention to you. I hope so. But we do have a MB dealership like that too. They are a mega multi marque dealer. I have noticed that another dealer now sends me e-mail service specials about every week. Where are you? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions That's very surprising... When I pull into the local MB dealer for parts driving an 80s MBZ, they treat me like I have some sort of disease they don't want to catch. Even if they have 20 employees on staff, they immediately peg me as the sort of guy that isn't about to buy a $100k car so it takes a LONG time to talk to anyone, and they make very little effort to sell me anything. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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tyler wrote: I'm in Riverside, CA. This same dealer who scorns and ignores me when I go in has been given numerous customer service awards by Mercedes Benz. They must not leave customer satisfaction cards lying around where just anybody can pick one up and mail it in. Can you download one at MBUSA.com or file online? (I could find nothing of the sort there) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A lot of companies now are requesting on you giving a 10 rating on customer satisfaction cards-e.g Hilton. Also one MB dealer here- www.viti.com asks you to talk to them if you can't give them a perfect rating rather than turn in a less than stellar number. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] a/c questions tyler wrote: I'm in Riverside, CA. This same dealer who scorns and ignores me when I go in has been given numerous customer service awards by Mercedes Benz. They must not leave customer satisfaction cards lying around where just anybody can pick one up and mail it in. Can you download one at MBUSA.com or file online? (I could find nothing of the sort there) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd go with freeze 12. Jim Cathey also has his test blend of propane and butane. At 08:27 PM 4/22/2009, you wrote: I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. Yes, though you may have to DIY. You'll need a gauge set, and a vacuum pump is ideal though you can flush the air out of a system by wasting half a can of juice just blowing it through. (Old-school R12 technique.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Technically that's iso-butane, right? Commonly available as camping gas, but I've hunted around for it locally and can't find it. On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:02 -0500, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: I'd go with freeze 12. Jim Cathey also has his test blend of propane and butane. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Technically that's iso-butane, right? Commonly available as camping gas, but I've hunted around for it locally and can't find it. Yes. MSR and IsoPro are two names that come to mind. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If one could find ISOPro, what is the procedure for making the test mixture? what fittings are needed to get the ISOPro into the system? (or into the propane tank) Is it better to blend the propane and butane first in a propane tank, and then dispense as needed? At 09:34 AM 4/23/2009, you wrote: Technically that's iso-butane, right? Commonly available as camping gas, but I've hunted around for it locally and can't find it. Yes. MSR and IsoPro are two names that come to mind. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If one could find ISOPro, what is the procedure for making the test mixture? what fittings are needed to get the ISOPro into the system? I use either a side-tap arrangement, which is a standard R12 tap belted to the side, or a better one made from a fitting taken from an actual camp stove that I got at Goodwill. For propane, I have a tap made from an old SolidOx torch and some flare fitting off of a car's AC system, along with some rubber hose and two hose clamps, but you could drill the center out of a standard propane torch head too. I put one 8oz can of the camp fuel in, then top off with propane until it's either working great or the pressures are starting to get high. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Man the EPA gonna cap and trade you to oblivion if you keep doing that kind of thing. Next thing you know Algore will be confiscating your old MB and declaring it a global climate change catastrophe and putting your face all over his next movie about earthkillers. Or maybe load it on his jet and fly it off somewhere. Polar bears are gonna camp on your front lawn because you have melted their ice flows. Penguins will take up residence in your freezer because the Antarctic is too warm. Obama gonna call the new carbon tax the Cathey Tax in your honor and make you the whipping boy for all those nasty SUV drivers. But I like your style. --R Jim Cathey wrote: If one could find ISOPro, what is the procedure for making the test mixture? what fittings are needed to get the ISOPro into the system? I use either a side-tap arrangement, which is a standard R12 tap belted to the side, or a better one made from a fitting taken from an actual camp stove that I got at Goodwill. For propane, I have a tap made from an old SolidOx torch and some flare fitting off of a car's AC system, along with some rubber hose and two hose clamps, but you could drill the center out of a standard propane torch head too. I put one 8oz can of the camp fuel in, then top off with propane until it's either working great or the pressures are starting to get high. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a/c questions
I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge. All the places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well. I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products. I have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it. Any suggestions and advice are welcomed. -- Anthony -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/ea218332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anthony, Strangely enough, after being refused the local Indies, I found an MB dealer who kept r-12 around- said they used it for customers with vintage systems. Charge me $100 to test and recharge- FWIW. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Galioto Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] a/c questions I have a 1983 240D which needs a a/c system check and charge. All the places I have gone to want to convert the system to r234a. I do not want to convert it to that gas because of the reports here that it isn't good for this age vehicle and in fact does not cool that well. I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. I have asked the local indys and they will not use any of the products. I have never worked on an A/C system and do not have the tools or knowledge to vacuum the system and do not know how to go about it. Any suggestions and advice are welcomed. -- Anthony -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/ea 218332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am wondering if Freeze12 or Envirosafe (ES12a) are suitable replacements. Yes, though you may have to DIY. You'll need a gauge set, and a vacuum pump is ideal though you can flush the air out of a system by wasting half a can of juice just blowing it through. (Old-school R12 technique.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
