Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:52:36 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2005 4:22:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried one time plugging in the hall socket and got a severe thrashing from the landlady. C'mon lady its 4 amps for crying out loud! Has anyone tried running a 500W power inverter to run a block heater? If you wired your marine battery into the trunk so it could be fully charged in the evening when you park it seems that an inverter could run your block heater off that battery for a half hour or so, then, with the extra cranking power of two batteries you should be able to get Gump started in any weather. Good, fully charged batteries shouldn't be bothered by 12 hours or so at 20 below. 400 watt block heater - = 500 watts from battery 0.80 efficiency of inverter 500 watts - = 41.7 amperes from battery 12 V 42 amperes x 0.5 hour = 21 ampere-hours Battery capacities for a W123 300D range from 66 to 100 ampere-hours (see http://www.varta-automotive.com/pmd/searchByApplication.do?presetModelline=571modelline=571manufacturer=74presetManufacturer=74modellinetype=417presetApplication=PKWapplication=PKW ) This represents a major fraction of the battery's capacity. Note also that at -20 F, the battery's capacity is much reduced from 68 F. As a guess, I'd say it's reduced by 50%. That would make the block heater load between 42% to 64% of the available capacity; not much left over for starting. In addition, since automotive batteries don't take discharging this much too well (rather poorly, as a matter of fact -- 10 or 12 full capacity discharges will kill an automotive battery), you'll want to use a marine or deep cycle battery, which have less cranking capability. Craig
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
In a message dated 8/4/2005 4:22:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried one time plugging in the hall socket and got a severe thrashing from the landlady. C'mon lady its 4 amps for crying out loud! Has anyone tried running a 500W power inverter to run a block heater? If you wired your marine battery into the trunk so it could be fully charged in the evening when you park it seems that an inverter could run your block heater off that battery for a half hour or so, then, with the extra cranking power of two batteries you should be able to get Gump started in any weather. Good, fully charged batteries shouldn't be bothered by 12 hours or so at 20 below. Mike
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
In a message dated 8/4/2005 4:22:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've cut alot of wood for my woodstove this summer and the old adage holds just as true when you're using a chainsaw. Can't stand to cut firewood in the Summer heat..Don't need it to warm me any more in the Summer so I wait until cooler weather to let it do it's magic warminglol, Mike PS. I like the way it warms the kids when they unload and stack it too. Get alot more cooperation from them in the cooler weather.
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
400w inverter and yes obviously I've done it, for 2 winters now, put the inverter on before my shower. Start the car, haul the battery back upstairs to put on the charger, have a cup of coffee and then head to work. I've thought about wiring it up. To make it an effective starting battery the cables to the trunk would have to be ginormous to carry from the trunk and I don't think I could find space for that battery anywhere else... Of course to just wire it for charging wouldn't be as big a deal... So with my hope of buying a house sometime in the near future or hoping that the 190D would start easier, which is only a factor in considering the 190D, I'm not planning on wiring up anytime soon. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 243kmi Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:52:36 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated 8/4/2005 4:22:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried one time plugging in the hall socket and got a severe thrashing from the landlady. C'mon lady its 4 amps for crying out loud! Has anyone tried running a 500W power inverter to run a block heater? If you wired your marine battery into the trunk so it could be fully charged in the evening when you park it seems that an inverter could run your block heater off that battery for a half hour or so, then, with the extra cranking power of two batteries you should be able to get Gump started in any weather. Good, fully charged batteries shouldn't be bothered by 12 hours or so at 20 below. Mike - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
We cut about a half cord in May when it was relatively cool and I'll cut probably another half cord or maybe a full cord in September/October. That'll be enough for hunting season and a trip out on the snowmobile, and for any leafpeeper trips. You never know how many friends you have until you own a camp... Except when theres wood to cut. I cut about a cord last year. It was brutally cold during hunting season and the hunters burned about all of it. I didn't make a trip out in the snow because I was worried there wasn't enough wood -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:59:10 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can't stand to cut firewood in the Summer heat..Don't need it to warm me any more in the Summer so I wait until cooler weather to let it do it's magic warminglol, Mike PS. I like the way it warms the kids when they unload and stack it too. Get alot more cooperation from them in the cooler weather. - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
[MBZ] and now it gets interesting
Remember the black on black '84 190D 2.2l 5spd, 157,000 miles, second owner, $4500 I was looking at awhile ago? The guy has 4 MBs and needs to let one go so its either that or his veggie oil '85 300D. When I looked at the 190D there was somebody supposedly coming up with funding for the 300D which has now apparently fallen through. I'd told him that $4500 was too high for the 190D so now we're down to $3500. Blue book on an '85 190D in excellent condition is $665 and obviously stupid low. NADA says low retail at $2775, average retail at $3725, and high retail $4800. The car looks very nice, a few little dings but no major damage and no signs of repair that I could find. The shifter felt a little wierd but that could just be because it doesn't feel like my 240D, it seemed like first was quite far to the left. It also made a bit of a noise that the seller said his mechanic had reported as cheap aftermarket brake pads. I'm thinking I might do it but have him get a PPI from a mechanic we both know first... Last thing, I've heard that a 190D will start much better in the cold weather than my 240D, we hit -20F 2 or 3 days a year and -10F maybe a dozen days. At -10F Hammie might start on his own at -20F there ain't no way. He's got a block heater but I live in a 3rd floor walkup. So to power the block heater I lug a 70# marine battery down 3 flights of stairs and when the car is started lug it back up so I can charge it for the next day. The ability to start at -20F would be delightful. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 243kmi __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:26:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's got a block heater but I live in a 3rd floor walkup. So to power the block heater I lug a 70# marine battery down 3 flights of stairs and when the car is started lug it back up so I can charge it for the next day. The ability to start at -20F would be delightful. Can't throw a heavy duty extension cord out the nearest window? Once saw a guy who ran a cord to the laundry room at the complex he lived in so he could run his block heater for a while in the morning. Mike
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
Well, as they say down Maine, it's like a wood stove -- it wahms ya twice. In your case it wahms ya three times! --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:26:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's got a block heater but I live in a 3rd floor walkup. So to power the block heater I lug a 70# marine battery down 3 flights of stairs and when the car is started lug it back up so I can charge it for the next day. The ability to start at -20F would be delightful. Can't throw a heavy duty extension cord out the nearest window? Once saw a guy who ran a cord to the laundry room at the complex he lived in so he could run his block heater for a while in the morning. Mike ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
Oh yeah it does... Hurts my hands something awful too. Can't run an extension cord because I live on exactly the wrong side of the building. I tried one time plugging in the hall socket and got a severe thrashing from the landlady. C'mon lady its 4 amps for crying out loud! One time I forgot to charge the battery so I ran the truck for 20 minutes. My wife liked having the truck all warmed up for her ride to work but I didn't like blowing that much gas for no go use. I've cut alot of wood for my woodstove this summer and the old adage holds just as true when you're using a chainsaw. -Curt Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:12:27 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, as they say down Maine, it's like a wood stove -- it wahms ya twice. In your case it wahms ya three times! --R - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
You do know the old chainsaw joke that ends with the punchline what's that sound? don't you? On 8/4/05, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've cut alot of wood for my woodstove this summer and the old adage holds just as true when you're using a chainsaw. -Curt -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. - LT Don 1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 1972 Honda CB-500K
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
Course I do, I'm from Maine. I think I even have a record (yes a record) of Marshall Dodge telling the joke complete with his sound effects. -Curt Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:41:07 -0500 From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You do know the old chainsaw joke that ends with the punchline what's that sound? don't you? On 8/4/05, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've cut alot of wood for my woodstove this summer and the old adage holds just as true when you're using a chainsaw. -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] and now it gets interesting
He's got a block heater but I live in a 3rd floor walkup. So to power the block heater I lug a 70# marine battery down 3 flights of stairs and when the car is started lug it back up so I can charge it for the next day. god damn...you are heroic! did you never think about throwing a long extension cord out your window? you might have to get one with a three way plug so the neighbors can run their ghetto blasters as you keep your car warm!
