Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:26:22 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I found Dave's list and stuck it on OneDrive:
> 
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!Aq8Oa078p_LjgQGp_8GpYAO2cH39

Yup, that's the one I remembered.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[MG via Mercedes]

It is a Bosch which is what Mercedes uses. I forget what model it 
was originally on. It is a bit bigger in size also but does fit. 
The one thing that you do have to do is change the ends of the 
original alt wires. I also installed a much larger main cable 
straight to the battery from the alt.


Kyle Arola via Mercedes wrote:

Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump!  I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well  Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:00 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 80amp on
my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run the headlights,
wipers and AC all at the same time. In local traffic the 55 amp alt
couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it was marginal.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your
battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time
and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in
during these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Andrew
Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what

do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
$119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to
150%
battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>


January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the
block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now
the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and
the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
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January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start
in
the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's
quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I found Dave's list and stuck it on OneDrive:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Aq8Oa078p_LjgQGp_8GpYAO2cH39


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I recall having Dave Meiman's list of alternators, but I can't find it.
>
> Perhaps someone can post his URL.
>
>
> Craig
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 09:01:53 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the
> outside.
> 
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> > January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> > Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in
> > a bit as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

I recall having Dave Meiman's list of alternators, but I can't find it.

Perhaps someone can post his URL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Shouldn't have to go under although the turbo might be kind of in the way, not 
a problem on a 240D...

-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Thanks -  I will crawl under and inspect.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block 
heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at the 
connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to replace.
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks -  I will crawl under and inspect.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block
> heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at
> the connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to
> replace.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>
> Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
> Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
> heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
> >
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> >> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a
> bit
> >> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
> >>
> >> Kyle
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you look at the cord, thats usually the cause of a non-working block 
heater. On my '83 240D it was really obvious, the wire was all chewed at the 
connector into the block heater. A new cable was cheap and easy to replace.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Glad you got it working cause you ain't getting Bella back! NO way NO how!

Kyle

On Jan 11, 2017 10:51 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
> Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
> heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
> >
> > Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
> >> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
> >> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a
> bit
> >> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
> >>
> >> Kyle
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car started right up yesterday afternoon with temperature at 36 deg.
Battery is fine, glow plugs are fine.  Only problem is an inoperative block
heater.  Thanks to all for the good advice.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.
>
> Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
>> January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
>> Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
>> as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bosch, same body as the original. looks and fits the same on the outside.


Kyle Arola via Mercedes 
January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM
Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump! I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle


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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Wow, 55 to 80 is a big jump!  I imagine I will be making that jump in a bit
as well  Is this a MB alternator, or an aftermarket brand?

Kyle

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:00 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 80amp on
> my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run the headlights,
> wipers and AC all at the same time. In local traffic the 55 amp alt
> couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it was marginal.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your
>> battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time
>> and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in
>> during these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Andrew
>> Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>>Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.
>>
>> The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.
>>
>> What does NAPA sell?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
>>> do you expect?
>>>
>>> Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
>>> temp?
>>>
>>> If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
>>> heater at moderate temps like you have.
>>>
>>> You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
>>> to the heater.
>>>
>>> Check the GP resistance
>>>
>>> Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
>>>
>>> Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.
>>>
>>> Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
>>>
>>> <5 working GPs = no fire
>>>
>>> air leak= no fuel
>>>
>>> Plugged intake= no air
>>>
>>> I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
>>> $119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
>>>
>>> If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
>>> You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
>>> die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to
>>> 150%
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>
>>>> January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
>>>> I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
>>>> crank
>>>> and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the
>>>> block
>>>> heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now
>>>> the
>>>> question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and
>>>> the
>>>> relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
>>>> that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
>>>> to
>>>> replace this roughly every 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
>>>> I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
>>>> club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
>>>> sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start
>>>> in
>>>> the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
>>>> -Curt
>>>>
>>>> From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@o

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[MG via Mercedes]

Regular alt is 55 amp with a 65 amp available. I recently put an 
80amp on my TD that finally keeps up with the drain when I run 
the headlights, wipers and AC all at the same time. In local 
traffic the 55 amp alt couldn't keep up. Even at highway speed it 
was marginal.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your 
battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time and 
revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in during 
these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>

 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.


The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
$119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 150%
battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>

January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!

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January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Every die-easy battery I had lasted 6 to 18 months.  It may be 
undercharged, or it might be bad.  In either case, it sounds like he has 
bad GP or blown fuse or a bad relay.   But since he will neither listen 
nor troubleshoot, he will throw money at it until he figgers out a GP 
burned out and blew the GP fuse.  We don't need to bother telling him 
how to troubleshoot or how to.



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January 10, 2017 at 11:13 PM
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:15:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:


You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of
your battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It
takes time and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery
minder plugged in during these cold times will help the battery stay
charged up. -Curt


I agree with Curt. But just in case Andrew wants to continue his
mule-headed ways and throw money at the car:

https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/promotions/battery?icid=q1_jan-feb2017_$20-mail-in-rebate-napa-legend-battery

While he is there, he should have them test the battery and the
alternator. They probably will tell him the battery should be fully
charged before testing ...

Fortunately, changing an alternator in a W123 is MUCH easier than in an
'89 Chevy G20 van.


Craig





   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel<astrasfo...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:


Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries
what do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at
current temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be
plugged in to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal
combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the
shelf. $119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and
interstate, You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50%
more for the die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application
that needs 100 to 150% battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>

January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
crank and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine,
so the block heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick,
with no luck. Now the question remains, what is my problem? The
system glowed perfectly and the relay is good. Could it be glow
plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so that's not it. My instinct
says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the
snowmobile club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the
Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That
machine is terrible to start in the cold, the block heater is pretty
much required. -Curt

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's
quiet outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:15:30 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of
> your battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It
> takes time and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery
> minder plugged in during these cold times will help the battery stay
> charged up. -Curt

I agree with Curt. But just in case Andrew wants to continue his
mule-headed ways and throw money at the car:

https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/promotions/battery?icid=q1_jan-feb2017_$20-mail-in-rebate-napa-legend-battery

While he is there, he should have them test the battery and the
alternator. They probably will tell him the battery should be fully
charged before testing ...

Fortunately, changing an alternator in a W123 is MUCH easier than in an
'89 Chevy G20 van.


Craig




>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>
> Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.
> 
> The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.
> 
> What does NAPA sell?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries
> > what do you expect?
> >
> > Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at
> > current temp?
> >
> > If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
> > heater at moderate temps like you have.
> >
> > You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be
> > plugged in to the heater.
> >
> > Check the GP resistance
> >
> > Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
> >
> > Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal
> > combustion.
> >
> > Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
> >
> > <5 working GPs = no fire
> >
> > air leak= no fuel
> >
> > Plugged intake= no air
> >
> > I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the
> > shelf. $119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
> >
> > If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and
> > interstate, You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50%
> > more for the die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application
> > that needs 100 to 150% battery.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
> >> I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
> >> crank and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine,
> >> so the block heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick,
> >> with no luck. Now the question remains, what is my problem? The
> >> system glowed perfectly and the relay is good. Could it be glow
> >> plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so that's not it. My instinct
> >> says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had to
> >> replace this roughly every 18 months.
> >>
> >> On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
> >> I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the
> >> snowmobile club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the
> >> Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That
> >> machine is terrible to start in the cold, the block heater is pretty
> >> much required. -Curt
> >>
> >> From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's
> >> quiet outside.  Ot

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of your 
battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It takes time and 
revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery minder plugged in during 
these cold times will help the battery stay charged up.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
> do you expect?
>
> Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
> temp?
>
> If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
> heater at moderate temps like you have.
>
> You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
> to the heater.
>
> Check the GP resistance
>
> Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
>
> Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.
>
> Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
>
> <5 working GPs = no fire
>
> air leak= no fuel
>
> Plugged intake= no air
>
> I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
> $119  I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
>
> If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
> You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
> die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 150%
> battery.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
>> I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
>> and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
>> heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
>> question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
>> relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
>> that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
>> to
>> replace this roughly every 18 months.
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
>> I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
>> club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
>> sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
>> the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
>> -Curt
>>
>> From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>>
>>
>>
>> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
>> outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
>> recommended,
>> and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!
>>
>> -- Jim
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>> January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM
>>
>>
>> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
>> outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recomme

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Then better check the alternator too.

RB

On 10/01/2017 4:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
do you expect?

Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
temp?

If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.

You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
to the heater.

Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
$119   I'm thinking that is the best deal around.

If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 150%
battery.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>

January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel



On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not
start
Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins. Left it plugged in overnight and
this AM no luck - wouldn't fire. It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
gone south (no pun intended). I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
warmth to see if there's any action. I just had the valves adjusted
too... The outlet is OK - checked that.

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Balogna.  I drive this car EVERY day.

The simplest explanation is usually the answer.  Gonna test my Diehard.

What does NAPA sell?

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries what
> do you expect?
>
> Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at current
> temp?
>
> If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
> heater at moderate temps like you have.
>
> You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged in
> to the heater.
>
> Check the GP resistance
>
> Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
>
> Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.
>
> Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
>
> <5 working GPs = no fire
>
> air leak= no fuel
>
> Plugged intake= no air
>
> I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the shelf.
> $119   I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
>
> If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,
> You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the
> die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 150%
> battery.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
>> I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
>> and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
>> heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
>> question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
>> relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
>> that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had
>> to
>> replace this roughly every 18 months.
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
>> I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
>> club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
>> sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
>> the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
>> -Curt
>>
>> From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>>
>>
>>
>> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
>> outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly
>> recommended,
>> and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!
>>
>> -- Jim
>> ___
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>> January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM
>>
>>
>> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
>> outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
>> and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!
>>
>> -- Jim
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>> January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
>> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke
>>
>> Had 

Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries 
what do you expect?


Did the guy adjust the valves right?  Are the clearances right at 
current temp?


If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a 
heater at moderate temps like you have.


You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged 
in to the heater.


Check the GP resistance

Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working

Air, fuel, fire/compression.  You need all three for internal combustion.

Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire

<5 working GPs = no fire

air leak= no fuel

Plugged intake= no air

I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the 
shelf.  $119   I'm thinking that is the best deal around.


If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and interstate,  
You WILL get a good battery for you money.  you pay 50% more for the 
die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that needs 100 to 
150% battery.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've 
had to

replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

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January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the 
snowmobile club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the 
Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine 
is terrible to start in the cold, the block heater is pretty much 
required.

-Curt

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On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly 
recommended,

and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

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January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's quiet
outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not 
start

Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins. Left it plugged in overnight and
this AM no luck - wouldn't fire. It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
gone south (no pun intended). I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
warmth to see if there's any action. I just had the valves adjusted
too... The outlet is OK - checked that.

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You can have a single dead glow plug with no other indications.
I think you don't drive enough and thats hard on the battery. Get a load test 
and pickup a maintainer. Wire it so the maintainer stays in the car and you 
plug it in like the block heater.
While you're at it follow the cord for the block heater and see if its broken. 
I had that happen on my '83 240D.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank and 
the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block heater is 
inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the question 
remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the relay is good. 
Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so that's not it. My 
instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had to replace this roughly 
every 18 months.
On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile club 
has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough 
it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in the cold, the 
block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

>
> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

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I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had to
replace this roughly every 18 months.

On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile
> club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it,
> sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in
> the cold, the block heater is pretty much required.
> -Curt
>
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> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>
> >
> > I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke
>
>
> On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
> outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
> and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!
>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the snowmobile club 
has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough 
it was drawing 800 watts. That machine is terrible to start in the cold, the 
block heater is pretty much required.
-Curt

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 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
>
> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke


On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working.  If it's quiet
outside.  Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter.  Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended,
and fairly cheap.  Dozens of uses!

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

There was a picture in there of a MB cold start manual for your dizzel.  
Looks like it got stripped but the msg came through. Weird.



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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Kyle is my designated Buyer from now until forever.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> hahaha!
>
> Kyle LOVES his POS and would not sell it back!  My POS just needed a couple
> of little things and it is now filled with the awesome!
>
> Kyle
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > At 18F, it is not likely to be gelled fuel.  It should start.  Test the
> > GPs/relay.
> >
> > You shoulda sold Kyle that POS and kept the other POS!
> >
> > I'll give ya $500 if you deliver...
> >
> >
> > 18 is not even cold for these cars.  If it has good compression and good
> > fuel/delivery and a good battery, you can probably get it started with no
> > glow, but it WON't be happy starting that way!
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[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

hahaha!

Kyle LOVES his POS and would not sell it back!  My POS just needed a couple
of little things and it is now filled with the awesome!

Kyle

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> At 18F, it is not likely to be gelled fuel.  It should start.  Test the
> GPs/relay.
>
> You shoulda sold Kyle that POS and kept the other POS!
>
> I'll give ya $500 if you deliver...
>
>
> 18 is not even cold for these cars.  If it has good compression and good
> fuel/delivery and a good battery, you can probably get it started with no
> glow, but it WON't be happy starting that way!
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

At 18F, it is not likely to be gelled fuel.  It should start.  Test the 
GPs/relay.


You shoulda sold Kyle that POS and kept the other POS!

I'll give ya $500 if you deliver...


18 is not even cold for these cars.  If it has good compression and good 
fuel/delivery and a good battery, you can probably get it started with 
no glow, but it WON't be happy starting that way!

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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The car should still start at 18F even without a block heater, assuming a good 
battery, working glowplugs, synthetic oil and correctly set valves.
Remember the procedure, run the glow cycle twice, foot to the floor, crank the 
engine until the car starts or the battery dies. Don't chicken out on this, 
plan to only make one try at this. It will be MUCH harder to start if you stop 
cranking and try again...
Put the battery charger on overnight, get a trouble light with a 100w bulb and 
put it under the hood for a couple hours, put a blanket over the front clip to 
hold the heat in. If it doesn't fire something else is wrong.
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
Normal.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I will also check the small transparent fuel filter to see if the fuel looks 
"bormal" or like a slurpee.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

After 2 or 3 hours the engine should be noticeably warm to the touch.
A few years ago my Jetta was out of commission so I tried to take my '84 190D 
to work at -10F. I got a couple blocks and it quit. Put the block heater on and 
12 hours later it still wouldn't go. Hauled it to my Indy where it fired right 
up, grrr...
I think I had gelled fuel. I put a quart of Diesel Supplement (enough to treat 
100 gallons) into the tank, drove it for a couple days and filled with good 
winter fuel.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not start
Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins.  Left it plugged in overnight and
this AM no luck - wouldn't fire.  It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
gone south (no pun intended).  I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
warmth to see if there's any action.  I just had the valves adjusted
too...  The outlet is OK - checked that.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will also check the small transparent fuel filter to see if the fuel
looks "bormal" or like a slurpee.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After 2 or 3 hours the engine should be noticeably warm to the touch.
> A few years ago my Jetta was out of commission so I tried to take my '84
> 190D to work at -10F. I got a couple blocks and it quit. Put the block
> heater on and 12 hours later it still wouldn't go. Hauled it to my Indy
> where it fired right up, grrr...
> I think I had gelled fuel. I put a quart of Diesel Supplement (enough to
> treat 100 gallons) into the tank, drove it for a couple days and filled
> with good winter fuel.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:01 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>
> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke
>
> Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not start
> Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins.  Left it plugged in overnight and
> this AM no luck - wouldn't fire.  It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
> gone south (no pun intended).  I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
> warmth to see if there's any action.  I just had the valves adjusted
> too...  The outlet is OK - checked that.
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> > Winston Churchill:
> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> > large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> > the enemy.”
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Normal.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will also check the small transparent fuel filter to see if the fuel
> looks "bormal" or like a slurpee.
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> After 2 or 3 hours the engine should be noticeably warm to the touch.
>> A few years ago my Jetta was out of commission so I tried to take my '84
>> 190D to work at -10F. I got a couple blocks and it quit. Put the block
>> heater on and 12 hours later it still wouldn't go. Hauled it to my Indy
>> where it fired right up, grrr...
>> I think I had gelled fuel. I put a quart of Diesel Supplement (enough to
>> treat 100 gallons) into the tank, drove it for a couple days and filled
>> with good winter fuel.
>> -Curt
>>
>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:01 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
>>
>> I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke
>>
>> Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not
>> start
>> Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins.  Left it plugged in overnight and
>> this AM no luck - wouldn't fire.  It's either gelled fuel or a block
>> heater
>> gone south (no pun intended).  I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
>> warmth to see if there's any action.  I just had the valves adjusted
>> too...  The outlet is OK - checked that.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > --FT
>> > Winston Churchill:
>> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>> > large or petty,
>> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>> of
>> > the enemy.”
>> >
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

After 2 or 3 hours the engine should be noticeably warm to the touch.
A few years ago my Jetta was out of commission so I tried to take my '84 190D 
to work at -10F. I got a couple blocks and it quit. Put the block heater on and 
12 hours later it still wouldn't go. Hauled it to my Indy where it fired right 
up, grrr...
I think I had gelled fuel. I put a quart of Diesel Supplement (enough to treat 
100 gallons) into the tank, drove it for a couple days and filled with good 
winter fuel.
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
   
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not start
Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins.  Left it plugged in overnight and
this AM no luck - wouldn't fire.  It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
gone south (no pun intended).  I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
warmth to see if there's any action.  I just had the valves adjusted
too...  The outlet is OK - checked that.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
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Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke

Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not start
Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins.  Left it plugged in overnight and
this AM no luck - wouldn't fire.  It's either gelled fuel or a block heater
gone south (no pun intended).  I'll plug it in again tonight but test for
warmth to see if there's any action.  I just had the valves adjusted
too...  The outlet is OK - checked that.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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[MBZ] cold starting your dizzel

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”

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