Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yup same as the M102.

Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
On the 300E, so far as I know, they just push in, they are not indexed 
in any way I could see.


May not be true on any other engine, though.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Peter Frederick]

On the 300E, so far as I know, they just push in, they are not  
indexed in any way I could see.


May not be true on any other engine, though.

Peter

On Jan 25, 2009, at 8:03 PM, E M wrote:

What's the best way to pull the injector holders in a Benz?  Are  
they just
pressure fit?  Only ones I've seen were pressure fit, and the  
plastic bit
had to line up with a small tang in the head, which I've heard  
other saying

can be a problem and mess up the seal if not aligned just right.

Ed
300E, with new O rings in the glovebox ready to go, if we ever get  
a day

above -10 again. lol

2009/1/25 Hendrik & Fay 

Thanks for reminding me, the injector seals could do with an  
inspection in

my shopping cart.

Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:


Typically this is a vacuum leak or a bad O2 sensor that responds
differently at high temperature than at low (relatively, of course).

One thing that I've found to be a real problem most people don't  
know
about is the o-ring seal on the injector holder, the plastic  
insert into the
manifold.  They get rock hard and shrink just like all the other  
MB rubber
bits, and not everyone knows they are there.  I discovered this  
when I
started started replacing the injector seals in the TE -- two of  
the holders
pulled out instead of the injectors pulling out of the holder!   
Ran much

much better with all the seals and boots fixed.

This includes vacuum servos too, by the way.  Dead servos in the  
ACC or

bad connectors on the hard lines can give you idle problems.

Peter





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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[E M]

What's the best way to pull the injector holders in a Benz?  Are they just
pressure fit?  Only ones I've seen were pressure fit, and the plastic bit
had to line up with a small tang in the head, which I've heard other saying
can be a problem and mess up the seal if not aligned just right.

Ed
300E, with new O rings in the glovebox ready to go, if we ever get a day
above -10 again. lol

2009/1/25 Hendrik & Fay 

> Thanks for reminding me, the injector seals could do with an inspection in
> my shopping cart.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> Typically this is a vacuum leak or a bad O2 sensor that responds
>> differently at high temperature than at low (relatively, of course).
>>
>> One thing that I've found to be a real problem most people don't know
>> about is the o-ring seal on the injector holder, the plastic insert into the
>> manifold.  They get rock hard and shrink just like all the other MB rubber
>> bits, and not everyone knows they are there.  I discovered this when I
>> started started replacing the injector seals in the TE -- two of the holders
>> pulled out instead of the injectors pulling out of the holder!  Ran much
>> much better with all the seals and boots fixed.
>>
>> This includes vacuum servos too, by the way.  Dead servos in the ACC or
>> bad connectors on the hard lines can give you idle problems.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Thanks for reminding me, the injector seals could do with an inspection 
in my shopping cart.


Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
Typically this is a vacuum leak or a bad O2 sensor that responds 
differently at high temperature than at low (relatively, of course).


One thing that I've found to be a real problem most people don't know 
about is the o-ring seal on the injector holder, the plastic insert 
into the manifold.  They get rock hard and shrink just like all the 
other MB rubber bits, and not everyone knows they are there.  I 
discovered this when I started started replacing the injector seals in 
the TE -- two of the holders pulled out instead of the injectors 
pulling out of the holder!  Ran much much better with all the seals 
and boots fixed.


This includes vacuum servos too, by the way.  Dead servos in the ACC 
or bad connectors on the hard lines can give you idle problems.


Peter
 




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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Peter Frederick]

Typically this is a vacuum leak or a bad O2 sensor that responds  
differently at high temperature than at low (relatively, of course).


One thing that I've found to be a real problem most people don't know  
about is the o-ring seal on the injector holder, the plastic insert  
into the manifold.  They get rock hard and shrink just like all the  
other MB rubber bits, and not everyone knows they are there.  I  
discovered this when I started started replacing the injector seals  
in the TE -- two of the holders pulled out instead of the injectors  
pulling out of the holder!  Ran much much better with all the seals  
and boots fixed.


This includes vacuum servos too, by the way.  Dead servos in the ACC  
or bad connectors on the hard lines can give you idle problems.


Peter

On Jan 25, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Depends on how cold really, they will start pretty good when the  
temp is above 15 degrees C, even without a working cold start  
injector.
The duty cycle is adjusted by getting a reading a 2500prm and then  
comparing this to the one at idle, it should be within 10. Just  
setting to 50 at idle may well do damage because the motor could be  
running lean at operating revs.
MB do not give a specific figure to set the duty cycle at because  
as the system ages it will change, when everything was new the duty  
cycle may well have been 50 at idle and 50 at 2500rpm but as an  
example, mine is at about 35. I may have issues somewhere but that  
is where I could get the two readings to be within 10% of each other.


Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
Do the normal diagnosis:  Verify that the fuel pump runs and the  
cold start valve works (you will have trouble starting cold  
without out, will require lots of cranking).


Check for and repair vacuum leaks, most important are idle control  
valve hoses and boot between throttle body and air flow meter horn.


Make sure someone didn't "fix" the vacuum leaks by messing with  
the idle mixture -- set it to 50% at idle warm -- if it's too  
lean, it will never start cold.


Clean the air flow meter horn venturi -- a bunch of crud in there  
(from the leaking boot) will cause it to stick cold, and hence no  
fuel and no start.


Verify that the EHA is getting correct current - a bad wire will  
result in no cold enrichement and hard starts.


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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Depends on how cold really, they will start pretty good when the temp is 
above 15 degrees C, even without a working cold start injector.
The duty cycle is adjusted by getting a reading a 2500prm and then 
comparing this to the one at idle, it should be within 10. Just setting 
to 50 at idle may well do damage because the motor could be running lean 
at operating revs.
MB do not give a specific figure to set the duty cycle at because as the 
system ages it will change, when everything was new the duty cycle may 
well have been 50 at idle and 50 at 2500rpm but as an example, mine is 
at about 35. I may have issues somewhere but that is where I could get 
the two readings to be within 10% of each other.


Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
Do the normal diagnosis:  Verify that the fuel pump runs and the cold 
start valve works (you will have trouble starting cold without out, 
will require lots of cranking).


Check for and repair vacuum leaks, most important are idle control 
valve hoses and boot between throttle body and air flow meter horn.


Make sure someone didn't "fix" the vacuum leaks by messing with the 
idle mixture -- set it to 50% at idle warm -- if it's too lean, it 
will never start cold.


Clean the air flow meter horn venturi -- a bunch of crud in there 
(from the leaking boot) will cause it to stick cold, and hence no fuel 
and no start.


Verify that the EHA is getting correct current - a bad wire will 
result in no cold enrichement and hard starts.


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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Mathieu J. Cama]

>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Christopher McCann 
>  Subject: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?
>  Sent: 25 Jan '09 23:23
>  
>  Kaleb (or anyone else),
>  
>  You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:
>  
>  http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html
>  
>  A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out, he has it 
> on CL too:
>  
>  http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html
>  
>  He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even swap. He 
> needs a running car and fears that he will 
not get anything for the 300E as it has a cold start problem that he cannot 
solve. He's replaced 6 injectors, rotor and 
distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a little 
research on 300E cold start problem and it is 
clear that he has not addressed some of the simplest things - cold start valve, 
temp sensor, bunch of other things to 
check first.
>  
>  I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple fix...seems 
> that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it 
could be expensive and complicated.
>  
>  I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO 
> GO AHEAD AND TRADE. I 
have a 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has almost no rust, nice 
interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.
>  
>  THOUGHTS?
>  
>  Chris
>  
>  

Chris,

Check the fuse on the top of the OVP (behind the battery on the passenger side, 
silver relay with a 10 amp fuse (red) 
in the top of it). If it is blown, your fix may be as simple as replacing the 
fuse or the OVP.   ;)

A decent w124 is a nice driving car, but in no way does it measure up to a 
w126. Beware of worn links in the rear 
multi-link suspension, rust by the rear sub-frame mounts and rockers, and the 
other issues known for MBs of this era. 
What is the hot idle oil pressure and at what RPM does the gauge peg out at 3 
bar when hot after a good run? Also, is 
the gearbox still decent on it? Major delay going into reverse? 

For the under $2k market one can not be too picky.

Is it a good trade? That will have a lot to do with your own preferences. If 
your SD is worn out and the 300e is not, it 
may be a good move. On the interstate a w126 is a great machine, the w124 is 
fun in the twisties. Truly, apples and 
oranges.

Mathieu

2 w126s, one w201, but no w124s.


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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Tim C.]

I'd ask him for $350. :)

Seriously, if it were me and each driving member of my household had another 
car, I'd do it for a few hundred, it seems like it should be a nice car.  He 
can't sell it in winter with a cold start problem, but it looks like it is in 
pretty good shape otherwise.  I'm assuming KBB values are similar.

OTOH diesels retain their value in real life, at least in NC, much better than 
gas of equivalent age/mileage so if you've had a lot of other interest then it 
might be worth asking for a few days to think about it.  I also personally 
prefer working on older diesels but YMMV. :)

I can't help with the diagnosis, my gassers were Volvo, but there's not that 
much more going on with a gas engine than a diesel; I'm sure you could figure 
it out.  Plus it's good experience. :)

Not quite .02,
-Tim

-Original Message-
From: Christopher McCann 
Date: Sunday, Jan 25, 2009 6:23 pm
Subject: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?
To: merce...@okiebenz.comreply-to: Mercedes Discussion List 


Kaleb (or anyone else),
>
>You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:
>
>http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html
>
>A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out, he has it on 
>CL too:
>
>http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html
>
>He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even swap. He needs 
>a running car and fears that he will not get anything for the 300E as it has a 
>cold start problem that he cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors, rotor and 
>distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a little 
>research on 300E cold start problem and it is clear that he has not addressed 
>some of the simplest things - cold start valve, temp sensor, bunch of other 
>things to check first.
>
>I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple fix...seems that 
>it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it could be expensive and complicated. 
>
>I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GO 
>AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has almost 
>no rust, nice interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.
>
>THOUGHTS?
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>'85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'82 300SD/'83 
>240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out)
>
>
>  
>
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Peter Frederick]

Do the normal diagnosis:  Verify that the fuel pump runs and the cold  
start valve works (you will have trouble starting cold without out,  
will require lots of cranking).


Check for and repair vacuum leaks, most important are idle control  
valve hoses and boot between throttle body and air flow meter horn.


Make sure someone didn't "fix" the vacuum leaks by messing with the  
idle mixture -- set it to 50% at idle warm -- if it's too lean, it  
will never start cold.


Clean the air flow meter horn venturi -- a bunch of crud in there  
(from the leaking boot) will cause it to stick cold, and hence no  
fuel and no start.


Verify that the EHA is getting correct current - a bad wire will  
result in no cold enrichement and hard starts.


Peter

On Jan 25, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

The KE-jetronic is not that bad to work out once you understand how  
everything works together.
At a guess I'd say that the problem can be easily fixed by someone  
who knows the system. If the OVP is stuffed then you have a K  
jetronic car, without a cold start circuit.
Worst case scenario is that your fuel injection ECU is stuffed but  
they can be gotten pretty easy.

Then there is the idle air valve.
First thing I'd do is to tip a bit of fuel onto the air flow meter  
plate to see if a lack of extra fuel at cold start up is the problem.
If it starts OK with extra fuel then we can surmise that it is the  
cold start circuit. If you know how to drive a multi meter you can  
check for voltage at the number (?)1 pin on the ECU, no voltage =  
broken OVP, which may have a blown fuse or the fuse is not making  
good contact (had this happen in a 190E but the 201 still worked  
well because it is not that cold here and you don't even really  
need the cold start circuit 95% of the time). Or you can read the  
duty cycle if you know how, this may tell you something.
A easy way of testing the cold start injector is to take it out and  
hook it back up to the system, remove the ignition pulse plug off  
the ignition ECU and crank it. Best to place a rag around the  
injector to save fuel getting sprayed everywhere, if it is working.
Idle air valve is easy too, use a small G clamp to clamp off the  
extra air hose, thus producing the cold start setting.
Remember to act stupid, to make the deal go your way. Use expensive  
terms like OVP, ECU, idle air valve and fuel distributor head.


Hendrik
with a working 300TE

Christopher McCann wrote:

Kaleb (or anyone else),

You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html

A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out,  
he has it on CL too:


http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html

He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even  
swap. He needs a running car and fears that he will not get  
anything for the 300E as it has a cold start problem that he  
cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors, rotor and distributor.  
(PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a little  
research on 300E cold start problem and it is clear that he has  
not addressed some of the simplest things - cold start valve, temp  
sensor, bunch of other things to check first.


I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple  
fix...seems that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it could  
be expensive and complicated.
I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD  
IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a 7:30 meeting to look at it.  
Appartently has almost no rust, nice interior, fast, drives well,  
blah blah.


THOUGHTS?

Chris





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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Hendrik & Fay]

The KE-jetronic is not that bad to work out once you understand how 
everything works together.
At a guess I'd say that the problem can be easily fixed by someone who 
knows the system. If the OVP is stuffed then you have a K jetronic car, 
without a cold start circuit.
Worst case scenario is that your fuel injection ECU is stuffed but they 
can be gotten pretty easy.

Then there is the idle air valve.
First thing I'd do is to tip a bit of fuel onto the air flow meter plate 
to see if a lack of extra fuel at cold start up is the problem.
If it starts OK with extra fuel then we can surmise that it is the cold 
start circuit. If you know how to drive a multi meter you can check for 
voltage at the number (?)1 pin on the ECU, no voltage = broken OVP, 
which may have a blown fuse or the fuse is not making good contact (had 
this happen in a 190E but the 201 still worked well because it is not 
that cold here and you don't even really need the cold start circuit 95% 
of the time). Or you can read the duty cycle if you know how, this may 
tell you something.
A easy way of testing the cold start injector is to take it out and 
hook it back up to the system, remove the ignition pulse plug off the 
ignition ECU and crank it. Best to place a rag around the injector to 
save fuel getting sprayed everywhere, if it is working.
Idle air valve is easy too, use a small G clamp to clamp off the extra 
air hose, thus producing the cold start setting.
Remember to act stupid, to make the deal go your way. Use expensive 
terms like OVP, ECU, idle air valve and fuel distributor head.


Hendrik
with a working 300TE

Christopher McCann wrote:

Kaleb (or anyone else),

You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html

A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out, he has it on 
CL too:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html

He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even swap. He needs a 
running car and fears that he will not get anything for the 300E as it has a 
cold start problem that he cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors, rotor and 
distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a little 
research on 300E cold start problem and it is clear that he has not addressed 
some of the simplest things - cold start valve, temp sensor, bunch of other 
things to check first.

I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple fix...seems that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it could be expensive and complicated. 


I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GO 
AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has almost no 
rust, nice interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.

THOUGHTS?

Chris

  



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[E M]

Cant' hurt to throw it out there and see who bites.  Might even look like a
great deal next to $3000 for a 190D. ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Kaleb C. Striplin 

> well, I cant fault you for listing it that much.  Im sure there is somebody
> out there dumb enough to pay it, or trade a 300E for it.
>
> Christopher McCann wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the input. This seemed to be a no brainer, but I hesitate to
>> get involved with gassers...I don't know what I'm doing...but it seems this
>> guy doesn't either.
>>
>> Yeah, kind of ballsy to ask $1,650 for a car that I paid $350 for just 3
>> weeks ago...strange thing is that the guy asked me how much I have into it
>> and I told him "about $500" - which is pretty much true (more like $400). He
>> test drove it and I was totally honest about everything...well, you saw the
>> ad, I lay it all out. Now, if I get the 300E and sell it for a decent
>> profit, I will have some $ to invest in my transmission
>> project...transmission jack, some special tools, lifetime supply of trans
>> "Assemblee Goo", etc.
>>
>> Will let the list know if I trade for the 300E...if I do, I'll have a
>> bunch of troubleshooting questions.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> --
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>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well, I cant fault you for listing it that much.  Im sure there is 
somebody out there dumb enough to pay it, or trade a 300E for it.


Christopher McCann wrote:

Thanks for the input. This seemed to be a no brainer, but I hesitate to get 
involved with gassers...I don't know what I'm doing...but it seems this guy 
doesn't either.

Yeah, kind of ballsy to ask $1,650 for a car that I paid $350 for just 3 weeks ago...strange thing 
is that the guy asked me how much I have into it and I told him "about $500" - which is 
pretty much true (more like $400). He test drove it and I was totally honest about 
everything...well, you saw the ad, I lay it all out. Now, if I get the 300E and sell it for a 
decent profit, I will have some $ to invest in my transmission project...transmission jack, some 
special tools, lifetime supply of trans "Assemblee Goo", etc.

Will let the list know if I trade for the 300E...if I do, I'll have a bunch of 
troubleshooting questions.

Chris


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 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Christopher McCann]

Thanks for the input. This seemed to be a no brainer, but I hesitate to get 
involved with gassers...I don't know what I'm doing...but it seems this guy 
doesn't either.

Yeah, kind of ballsy to ask $1,650 for a car that I paid $350 for just 3 weeks 
ago...strange thing is that the guy asked me how much I have into it and I told 
him "about $500" - which is pretty much true (more like $400). He test drove it 
and I was totally honest about everything...well, you saw the ad, I lay it all 
out. Now, if I get the 300E and sell it for a decent profit, I will have some $ 
to invest in my transmission project...transmission jack, some special tools, 
lifetime supply of trans "Assemblee Goo", etc.

Will let the list know if I trade for the 300E...if I do, I'll have a bunch of 
troubleshooting questions.

Chris




'85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'82 300SD/'83 
240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out)


--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 5:35 PM
> holy crap, I cant believe you are going to try and get that
> much for that $350 car.  AFter getting it to not overheat
> anymore etc, I could see it maybe being a 6-800 car to
> somebody, but I cant see somebody paying anywhere close to
> 1650.  In any case, I would jump on the chance to trade it
> off for a much nicer (from the pics) 300E.
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > Kaleb (or anyone else),
> > 
> > You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it
> on CL for $1650:
> > 
> > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html
> > 
> > A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last
> night. Turns out, he has it on CL too:
> > 
> > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html
> > 
> > He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to
> trade - even swap. He needs a running car and fears that he
> will not get anything for the 300E as it has a cold start
> problem that he cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors,
> rotor and distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain).
> Anyway, I did a little research on 300E cold start problem
> and it is clear that he has not addressed some of the
> simplest things - cold start valve, temp sensor, bunch of
> other things to check first.
> > 
> > I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really
> simple fix...seems that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix.
> OTOH, it could be expensive and complicated. 
> > I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T
> KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a
> 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has almost no rust,
> nice interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.
> > 
> > THOUGHTS?
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram
> Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'82 300SD/'83
> 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87
> 190E 2.3 (parting out)
> > 
> > 
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> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
> x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[E M]

If he could sell it, it looks like a $500 dollar car, not a $1400.  I can't
comment on the starting problems, as I haven't had to deal with that yet.
Maybe do a quick check on the price of some of the the parts you think it
may need.  There are lots of these cars around, so I wouldn't think getting
some of the more expensive parts from a donor car would be a big or
expensive deal.

Good luck, they're pretty nice all around cars.  Seems he can prove with the
bills that the valves and chain were done, so other than the trans, the
common pain in the neck things seem to have been addressed.

Ed
300E

2009/1/25 Kaleb C. Striplin 

> holy crap, I cant believe you are going to try and get that much for that
> $350 car.  AFter getting it to not overheat anymore etc, I could see it
> maybe being a 6-800 car to somebody, but I cant see somebody paying anywhere
> close to 1650.  In any case, I would jump on the chance to trade it off for
> a much nicer (from the pics) 300E.
>
> Christopher McCann wrote:
>
>> Kaleb (or anyone else),
>>
>> You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:
>>
>> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html
>>
>> A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out, he has it
>> on CL too:
>>
>> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html
>>
>> He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even swap. He
>> needs a running car and fears that he will not get anything for the 300E as
>> it has a cold start problem that he cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors,
>> rotor and distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a
>> little research on 300E cold start problem and it is clear that he has not
>> addressed some of the simplest things - cold start valve, temp sensor, bunch
>> of other things to check first.
>>
>> I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple fix...seems
>> that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it could be expensive and
>> complicated.
>> I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO
>> GO AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has
>> almost no rust, nice interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.
>>
>> THOUGHTS?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'82
>> 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting
>> out)
>>
>>
>>
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>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] ADVICE NEEDED ASAP...KALEB!???!! ANYONE?!?!?!?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

holy crap, I cant believe you are going to try and get that much for 
that $350 car.  AFter getting it to not overheat anymore etc, I could 
see it maybe being a 6-800 car to somebody, but I cant see somebody 
paying anywhere close to 1650.  In any case, I would jump on the chance 
to trade it off for a much nicer (from the pics) 300E.


Christopher McCann wrote:

Kaleb (or anyone else),

You remember the $350 '82 300SD...well, I have it on CL for $1650:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1004824610.html

A guy with an '87 300E came to look at it last night. Turns out, he has it on 
CL too:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/998880287.html

He doesn't buy, but calls back today and wants to trade - even swap. He needs a 
running car and fears that he will not get anything for the 300E as it has a 
cold start problem that he cannot solve. He's replaced 6 injectors, rotor and 
distributor. (PO did valve job and timing chain). Anyway, I did a little 
research on 300E cold start problem and it is clear that he has not addressed 
some of the simplest things - cold start valve, temp sensor, bunch of other 
things to check first.

I am inclined to do this trade as it could be a really simple fix...seems that it is LIKELY to be a simple fix. OTOH, it could be expensive and complicated. 


I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH GASSERS, SO I DON"T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO GO 
AHEAD AND TRADE. I have a 7:30 meeting to look at it. Appartently has almost no 
rust, nice interior, fast, drives well, blah blah.

THOUGHTS?

Chris



'85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'82 300SD/'83 
240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out)


  


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 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
http://www.okiebenz.com

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