Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-27 Thread andrew strasfogel
Fascinating, no doubt, but what does this have to do with my tire issue?
On my W111 280SE 3.5, factory specs are V rated 185/70/14, but the tire shop
talked me into 195s.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 Yep, the valve cover gaskets on my 1976 R75/6 are universal.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:24 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

 I agree.  Buy a pair of new ones, put them on the front.  Put a pair
 of the others on the rear, put the third in the back as a spare.  GO
 with the OE tire size.  Oversize tires on an MB don't work
 well.  (except for replacing 13 wheels with 14 wheels on 110/111
 cars.)  You want the new tires on the front, because if the rear
 breaks loose, you can steer.  If the front breaks loose, you have no
 control.

 Interesting thing I have observed.  the rolling circumference of the
 7.00-13 on the 110, the 185/70-14 of a 123  and the 205/65-15 of a
 126 all have nearly the same rolling circumference.  Damn
 krauts.  Always practical!  Like the valve cover gaskets on BMW
 motorcycles from the 1950 (and maybe before) until they dropped the
 airhead for the oilheads are all the same.  Just too practical!  I LOVE IT!

 In the meantime, you should be ok.  If there is much difference in
 the rolling circumference of the two tires in the rear, it will cause
 the diff to work more.  Prolonged use will cause premature
 failure.  If you are just tooling around town, to work and so forth,
 you should be ok for a while.  If I were going to be on
 the  interstate for 1000 miles or more, I'd put the matching tires on the
 rear.

 At 10:38 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
 I always replace tires in pairs.
 
 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:31 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?
 
 But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
 The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the effing
 curb.
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland
 wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:
 
   Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a
 tire
   defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can
 trust
   the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is
 an
   equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy
 them.
  
   Wilton
  
   - Original Message -
   From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?
  
  
On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all
 season
   BF
Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.
 I
   had
a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same
 size
   but
different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
   Momentum.
   
Naturally, I have several questions:
   
1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
   would
be willing to part with?
   
2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires
 with
195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles
 of
life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely
 in
stock).
   
3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of
 four
   tires
having the same size but different tread?
   
Thanks in advance.
   
Andrew
1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-27 Thread Tom Hargrave
Just commenting on paragraph #2 of the previous comment.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

Fascinating, no doubt, but what does this have to do with my tire issue?
On my W111 280SE 3.5, factory specs are V rated 185/70/14, but the tire shop
talked me into 195s.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:

 Yep, the valve cover gaskets on my 1976 R75/6 are universal.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:24 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

 I agree.  Buy a pair of new ones, put them on the front.  Put a pair
 of the others on the rear, put the third in the back as a spare.  GO
 with the OE tire size.  Oversize tires on an MB don't work
 well.  (except for replacing 13 wheels with 14 wheels on 110/111
 cars.)  You want the new tires on the front, because if the rear
 breaks loose, you can steer.  If the front breaks loose, you have no
 control.

 Interesting thing I have observed.  the rolling circumference of the
 7.00-13 on the 110, the 185/70-14 of a 123  and the 205/65-15 of a
 126 all have nearly the same rolling circumference.  Damn
 krauts.  Always practical!  Like the valve cover gaskets on BMW
 motorcycles from the 1950 (and maybe before) until they dropped the
 airhead for the oilheads are all the same.  Just too practical!  I LOVE
IT!

 In the meantime, you should be ok.  If there is much difference in
 the rolling circumference of the two tires in the rear, it will cause
 the diff to work more.  Prolonged use will cause premature
 failure.  If you are just tooling around town, to work and so forth,
 you should be ok for a while.  If I were going to be on
 the  interstate for 1000 miles or more, I'd put the matching tires on the
 rear.

 At 10:38 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
 I always replace tires in pairs.
 
 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:31 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?
 
 But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
 The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the
effing
 curb.
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland
 wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:
 
   Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a
 tire
   defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can
 trust
   the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare
is
 an
   equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy
 them.
  
   Wilton
  
   - Original Message -
   From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?
  
  
On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all
 season
   BF
Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.
 I
   had
a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same
 size
   but
different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
   Momentum.
   
Naturally, I have several questions:
   
1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
   would
be willing to part with?
   
2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires
 with
195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k
miles
 of
life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are
rarely
 in
stock).
   
3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of
 four
   tires
having the same size but different tread?
   
Thanks in advance.
   
Andrew
1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a tire
defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can trust
the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is an
equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy them.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?


 On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all season
BF
 Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.  I
had
 a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same size
but
 different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
Momentum.

 Naturally, I have several questions:

 1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she would
 be willing to part with?

 2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires with
 195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles of
 life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely in
 stock).

 3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of four
tires
 having the same size but different tread?

 Thanks in advance.

 Andrew
 1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
 1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
 Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the effing
curb.


On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:

 Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a tire
 defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can trust
 the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is an
 equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy them.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?


  On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all season
 BF
  Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.  I
 had
  a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same size
 but
  different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
 Momentum.
 
  Naturally, I have several questions:
 
  1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
 would
  be willing to part with?
 
  2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires with
  195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles of
  life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely in
  stock).
 
  3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of four
 tires
  having the same size but different tread?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Andrew
  1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
  1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
  Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
I always replace tires in pairs.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:31 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the effing
curb.


On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:

 Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a tire
 defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can
trust
 the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is an
 equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy
them.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?


  On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all season
 BF
  Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.  I
 had
  a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same size
 but
  different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
 Momentum.
 
  Naturally, I have several questions:
 
  1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
 would
  be willing to part with?
 
  2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires
with
  195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles of
  life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely in
  stock).
 
  3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of four
 tires
  having the same size but different tread?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Andrew
  1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
  1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
  Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-26 Thread Loren Faeth
I agree.  Buy a pair of new ones, put them on the front.  Put a pair 
of the others on the rear, put the third in the back as a spare.  GO 
with the OE tire size.  Oversize tires on an MB don't work 
well.  (except for replacing 13 wheels with 14 wheels on 110/111 
cars.)  You want the new tires on the front, because if the rear 
breaks loose, you can steer.  If the front breaks loose, you have no control.


Interesting thing I have observed.  the rolling circumference of the 
7.00-13 on the 110, the 185/70-14 of a 123  and the 205/65-15 of a 
126 all have nearly the same rolling circumference.  Damn 
krauts.  Always practical!  Like the valve cover gaskets on BMW 
motorcycles from the 1950 (and maybe before) until they dropped the 
airhead for the oilheads are all the same.  Just too practical!  I LOVE IT!


In the meantime, you should be ok.  If there is much difference in 
the rolling circumference of the two tires in the rear, it will cause 
the diff to work more.  Prolonged use will cause premature 
failure.  If you are just tooling around town, to work and so forth, 
you should be ok for a while.  If I were going to be on 
the  interstate for 1000 miles or more, I'd put the matching tires on the rear.


At 10:38 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:

I always replace tires in pairs.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:31 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the effing
curb.


On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:

 Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a tire
 defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can
trust
 the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is an
 equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy
them.

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?


  On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all season
 BF
  Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.  I
 had
  a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same size
 but
  different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
 Momentum.
 
  Naturally, I have several questions:
 
  1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
 would
  be willing to part with?
 
  2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires
with
  195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles of
  life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely in
  stock).
 
  3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of four
 tires
  having the same size but different tread?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Andrew
  1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
  1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
  Thanks in advance
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Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

2009-03-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
Yep, the valve cover gaskets on my 1976 R75/6 are universal.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

I agree.  Buy a pair of new ones, put them on the front.  Put a pair 
of the others on the rear, put the third in the back as a spare.  GO 
with the OE tire size.  Oversize tires on an MB don't work 
well.  (except for replacing 13 wheels with 14 wheels on 110/111 
cars.)  You want the new tires on the front, because if the rear 
breaks loose, you can steer.  If the front breaks loose, you have no
control.

Interesting thing I have observed.  the rolling circumference of the 
7.00-13 on the 110, the 185/70-14 of a 123  and the 205/65-15 of a 
126 all have nearly the same rolling circumference.  Damn 
krauts.  Always practical!  Like the valve cover gaskets on BMW 
motorcycles from the 1950 (and maybe before) until they dropped the 
airhead for the oilheads are all the same.  Just too practical!  I LOVE IT!

In the meantime, you should be ok.  If there is much difference in 
the rolling circumference of the two tires in the rear, it will cause 
the diff to work more.  Prolonged use will cause premature 
failure.  If you are just tooling around town, to work and so forth, 
you should be ok for a while.  If I were going to be on 
the  interstate for 1000 miles or more, I'd put the matching tires on the
rear.

At 10:38 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
I always replace tires in pairs.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:31 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?

But then I don't get to go shopping.  :(
The old tire blew out because i took a turn too tightly and hit the effing
curb.


On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland
wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote:

  Why did you have a blowout?  Obvious physical damage to the tire or a
tire
  defect?  If it was physical damage causing the blowout, and you can
trust
  the remaining three not to blow for no obvious reason, and the spare is
an
  equally good tire of the same size with good tread, continue to enjoy
them.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:09 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] 205 vs 195 size tires for 1983 W123 300TD wagon?
 
 
   On my W123 1983 300TD station wagon, the PO mounted 205/70/14 all
season
  BF
   Goodrich Momentum tires rather than the tires in the 195/70/14 size.
I
  had
   a blowout on the RR tire, and mounted a different brand spare (same
size
  but
   different tread pattern).  BF Goodrich no longer manufactures the
  Momentum.
  
   Naturally, I have several questions:
  
   1) Does anyone have a spare BFG Momentum in this size that he or she
  would
   be willing to part with?
  
   2) If I can't find another Momentum, should I replace ALL FOUR tires
with
   195/70/14 tires?  The 205s currently on the car have maybe 10 k miles
of
   life left on them, and are hard to find in any brand (they are rarely
in
   stock).
  
   3) How risky is it to drive indefinitely on a car with one out of four
  tires
   having the same size but different tread?
  
   Thanks in advance.
  
   Andrew
   1983 300TD 320K miles and a high mileage badge on order
   1985 300 CD 218 k miles (hers) and four (correct) 205/70/14 tires
   Thanks in advance
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