Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Mine used to have it but last time
I was there they did not. You use that in your gassers?

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On Mar 29, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I just bought some 5 quart jugs of M1 15W-50 at a local Super Walmart. They 
> had a couple cases on the shelf.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> Dieselhead wrote:
>>> Looks like you can mix a quart of M1 V twin oil with a couple of the 
>>> wallyland M1 varieties to get your mixture to the range of the unobtanium 
>>> 15W-50.   The chart implies that 15W-50 was available as of last Oct.
>> 
>> The major Advance Auto Parts stores near me are supposed to have 15W-50 for 
>> $8.79 a qt. 5qt jugs of it are not a walmart item according to walmart.com.
>> 
>> Walmart has 0w40 for $6.48, which seems expensive until you realize it's 
>> cheaper than a gallon of 5W40 for $26.48.
>> 
>> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_15W-50-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-(1-qt-)-Mobil1_802-P_N4019E_T|GRP2046_
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Dan Penoff]

I just bought some 5 quart jugs of M1 15W-50 at a local Super Walmart. They had 
a couple cases on the shelf.

Dan

On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dieselhead wrote:
>> Looks like you can mix a quart of M1 V twin oil with a couple of the 
>> wallyland M1 varieties to get your mixture to the range of the unobtanium 
>> 15W-50.   The chart implies that 15W-50 was available as of last Oct.
> 
> The major Advance Auto Parts stores near me are supposed to have 15W-50 for 
> $8.79 a qt. 5qt jugs of it are not a walmart item according to walmart.com.
> 
> Walmart has 0w40 for $6.48, which seems expensive until you realize it's 
> cheaper than a gallon of 5W40 for $26.48.
> 
> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_15W-50-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-(1-qt-)-Mobil1_802-P_N4019E_T|GRP2046_
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
Looks like you can mix a quart of M1 V twin oil with a couple of the 
wallyland M1 varieties to get your mixture to the range of the 
unobtanium 15W-50.   The chart implies that 15W-50 was available as of 
last Oct.


The major Advance Auto Parts stores near me are supposed to have 15W-50 for 
$8.79 a qt. 5qt jugs of it are not a walmart item according to walmart.com.


Walmart has 0w40 for $6.48, which seems expensive until you realize it's cheaper 
than a gallon of 5W40 for $26.48.


http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_15W-50-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-(1-qt-)-Mobil1_802-P_N4019E_T|GRP2046_

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Dieselhead]

Looks like you can mix a quart of M1 V twin oil with a couple of the 
wallyland M1 varieties to get your mixture to the range of the 
unobtanium 15W-50.   The chart implies that 15W-50 was available as 
of last Oct.




John Reames wrote:
Ach, I just looked at that chart; it used to have a "formula M" 
that was NOT "ESP", which had a higher phosphorus and higher zinc 
(it looked the same as the turbo diesel truck).


Thanks for the link, it looks like the 5W-40 has 10% more anti wear 
additives than the 0W-40. 15W-50 is the leader, if you've got an old 
Benz like a OM617 or M103.


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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:
Ach, I just looked at that chart; it used to have a "formula M" that was NOT "ESP", which had a higher phosphorus and higher zinc (it looked the same as the turbo diesel truck).  



Thanks for the link, it looks like the 5W-40 has 10% more anti wear additives 
than the 0W-40. 15W-50 is the leader, if you've got an old Benz like a OM617 or 
M103.


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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[John Reames]

Ach, I just looked at that chart; it used to have a "formula M" that was NOT 
"ESP", which had a higher phosphorus and higher zinc (it looked the same as the 
turbo diesel truck).  

There doesn't appear to be a difference in zinc and phosphorus levels with the 
ESP stuff.

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On Mar 28, 2012, at 20:52, Max  wrote:

> John Reames  wrote:
>> 
>> That's why it's important to use factory spec oil, and the proper M1
>> has a much higher amount of ZDDP than normal M1. There used to be
>> charts of it.
>> 
>> The turbo diesel truck is pretty close to the formula M tho.
>> 
>> 
> John, what do you mean by "proper" M1?
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[John Reames]

The "formula M" variant of M1.
Here's some info on zinc and phosphorus levels in M1 oils

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf


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On Mar 28, 2012, at 20:52, Max  wrote:

> John Reames  wrote:
>> 
>> That's why it's important to use factory spec oil, and the proper M1
>> has a much higher amount of ZDDP than normal M1. There used to be
>> charts of it.
>> 
>> The turbo diesel truck is pretty close to the formula M tho.
>> 
>> 
> John, what do you mean by "proper" M1?
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Max]

John Reames  wrote:
>
>That's why it's important to use factory spec oil, and the proper M1
>has a much higher amount of ZDDP than normal M1. There used to be
>charts of it.
>
>The turbo diesel truck is pretty close to the formula M tho.
>
>
John, what do you mean by "proper" M1?
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

OK - if it's in the owners manual, I can find it in mine. I don't remember
seeing when I first read the manual, but that was a while ago  ---


Look for Flexible Service System in the index.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[OK Don]

OK - if it's in the owners manual, I can find it in mine. I don't remember
seeing when I first read the manual, but that was a while ago  ---

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
>
>> How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
>> change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).
>>
>
> The owner's manual is jout in the car and it was complicated.
>
> I think the important step was holding button zero on the cluster for
> several seconds and then turning the ignition on while still holding the
> button. I'll try to remember to look it up tonight.
>
> BTW, I drove it 19 miles yesterday and still have 10,000 left. What
> increments does the display count down in? Is it really flexible as to how
> the car is used, or does it just count the miles?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[John Reames]

The count goes down in increments of 100 (only), at a rate not readily 
relatable to actual miles driven; theres an oil quality sensor in gassers that 
provides input and the cluster also looks at RPM and mph among other things. 
With extensive highway driving you may find that it takes 18,000mi to go to 0. 
A normal mix takes about 12-15k mi to go down.

That's why it's important to use factory spec oil, and the proper M1 has a much 
higher amount of ZDDP than normal M1. There used to be charts of it.

The turbo diesel truck is pretty close to the formula M tho.

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On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:10, Fmiser  wrote:

>> Mitch Haley wrote:
> 
>> BTW, I drove it 19 miles yesterday and still have 10,000 left.
>> What increments does the display count down in? Is it really
>> flexible as to how the car is used, or does it just count the
>> miles?
> 
> Maybe you reset it so well it is now  permanently at 10,000.
> *smiles*
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[John Reames]

You must follow the directions exactly for the procedure to work, although the 
manual does not specify that all doors must be closed, an open door will 
prevent the reset. (don't ask how I know!)

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On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:41, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
>> How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
>> change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).
> 
> The owner's manual is jout in the car and it was complicated.
> 
> I think the important step was holding button zero on the cluster for several 
> seconds and then turning the ignition on while still holding the button. I'll 
> try to remember to look it up tonight.
> 
> BTW, I drove it 19 miles yesterday and still have 10,000 left. What 
> increments does the display count down in? Is it really flexible as to how 
> the car is used, or does it just count the miles?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> BTW, I drove it 19 miles yesterday and still have 10,000 left.
> What increments does the display count down in? Is it really
> flexible as to how the car is used, or does it just count the
> miles?

Maybe you reset it so well it is now  permanently at 10,000.
*smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).


The owner's manual is jout in the car and it was complicated.

I think the important step was holding button zero on the cluster for several 
seconds and then turning the ignition on while still holding the button. I'll 
try to remember to look it up tonight.


BTW, I drove it 19 miles yesterday and still have 10,000 left. What increments 
does the display count down in? Is it really flexible as to how the car is used, 
or does it just count the miles?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[OK Don]

About 10,000.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> How many miles are on it since last changed?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:37 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
> > change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> >
> >> Finally got around to changing out the 5w30 Valvoline synthetic that the
> >> PO had in my 4matic.
> >>
> >> Removed the oil filter cap with a 76mm 14 point socket (fit a bit loose
> >> but did the job, and that plastic lid was tight) Boy, that's the longest
> >> stem I've ever seen. Took four of the five o-rings that came with my
> fleece
> >> filter from Q.
> >>
> >> Hooked up the super sucker to the dipstick tube, and it started slurping
> >> air/oil mix with only about a gallon of oil in the bucket. I thought
> that
> >> every engine designed since the 1970s had a dipstick tube that went to
> the
> >> bottom of the pan?
> >>
> >> Had to crawl under and remove the drain bolt from the SIDE of the pan
> >> (probably leaving a cup or a pint of dirty oil in the pan) to get the
> other
> >> gallon out.
> >> Torqued the drain bolt to 30nm. Too bad I didn't have a new crush
> washer,
> >> but I wasn't planning on pulling the drain plug. Job was made easier by
> >> whoever was kind enough to remove and throw away my belly pans before I
> >> bought the car.
> >>
> >> Dumped my last two 4qt jugs of 5w40 M1 turbo diesel truck down the huge
> >> hole the oil filter came out of. Easy target, no spills. Installed the
> >> filter and torqued the plastic filter stem to 25nm. Oil level is closer
> to
> >> full than to add, either because I left some oil in the pan or because
> you
> >> don't really need 8 liters.
> >>
> >> Reset the FSS (flexible service system) and the job was done.
> >>
> >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

How many miles are on it since last changed?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:37 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
> change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).
> 
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> Finally got around to changing out the 5w30 Valvoline synthetic that the
>> PO had in my 4matic.
>> 
>> Removed the oil filter cap with a 76mm 14 point socket (fit a bit loose
>> but did the job, and that plastic lid was tight) Boy, that's the longest
>> stem I've ever seen. Took four of the five o-rings that came with my fleece
>> filter from Q.
>> 
>> Hooked up the super sucker to the dipstick tube, and it started slurping
>> air/oil mix with only about a gallon of oil in the bucket. I thought that
>> every engine designed since the 1970s had a dipstick tube that went to the
>> bottom of the pan?
>> 
>> Had to crawl under and remove the drain bolt from the SIDE of the pan
>> (probably leaving a cup or a pint of dirty oil in the pan) to get the other
>> gallon out.
>> Torqued the drain bolt to 30nm. Too bad I didn't have a new crush washer,
>> but I wasn't planning on pulling the drain plug. Job was made easier by
>> whoever was kind enough to remove and throw away my belly pans before I
>> bought the car.
>> 
>> Dumped my last two 4qt jugs of 5w40 M1 turbo diesel truck down the huge
>> hole the oil filter came out of. Easy target, no spills. Installed the
>> filter and torqued the plastic filter stem to 25nm. Oil level is closer to
>> full than to add, either because I left some oil in the pan or because you
>> don't really need 8 liters.
>> 
>> Reset the FSS (flexible service system) and the job was done.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[OK Don]

How did you reset the FSS? Mine is telling me that the ML needs a oil
change, which does agree with my 10,000 mile drain plan. (2001 ML320).

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Finally got around to changing out the 5w30 Valvoline synthetic that the
> PO had in my 4matic.
>
> Removed the oil filter cap with a 76mm 14 point socket (fit a bit loose
> but did the job, and that plastic lid was tight) Boy, that's the longest
> stem I've ever seen. Took four of the five o-rings that came with my fleece
> filter from Q.
>
> Hooked up the super sucker to the dipstick tube, and it started slurping
> air/oil mix with only about a gallon of oil in the bucket. I thought that
> every engine designed since the 1970s had a dipstick tube that went to the
> bottom of the pan?
>
> Had to crawl under and remove the drain bolt from the SIDE of the pan
> (probably leaving a cup or a pint of dirty oil in the pan) to get the other
> gallon out.
> Torqued the drain bolt to 30nm. Too bad I didn't have a new crush washer,
> but I wasn't planning on pulling the drain plug. Job was made easier by
> whoever was kind enough to remove and throw away my belly pans before I
> bought the car.
>
> Dumped my last two 4qt jugs of 5w40 M1 turbo diesel truck down the huge
> hole the oil filter came out of. Easy target, no spills. Installed the
> filter and torqued the plastic filter stem to 25nm. Oil level is closer to
> full than to add, either because I left some oil in the pan or because you
> don't really need 8 liters.
>
> Reset the FSS (flexible service system) and the job was done.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:04:59 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Yours probably doesn't even have all 12 spark plugs, and your oil
> filter is near the back of the engine. ;-)

It's so far back, it's difficult getting to the filter without running
into the rubber seal for the rear of the hood.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:22:01 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:


Craig wrote:

So what year is this, again?

Oops, W210.282, 1999, M112.


Ah, so it doesn't have anything in common with our M104.


Yours probably doesn't even have all 12 spark plugs, and your oil filter is near 
the back of the engine. ;-)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:22:01 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > 
> > So what year is this, again?
> 
> Oops, W210.282, 1999, M112.

Ah, so it doesn't have anything in common with our M104.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:22:21 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:


Finally got around to changing out the 5w30 Valvoline synthetic that
the PO had in my 4matic.

Reset the FSS (flexible service system) and the job was done.


So what year is this, again?


Oops, W210.282, 1999, M112.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 oil change

[Craig]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:22:21 -0500 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Finally got around to changing out the 5w30 Valvoline synthetic that
> the PO had in my 4matic.
>
> Reset the FSS (flexible service system) and the job was done.

So what year is this, again?


Craig

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