Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[clay via Mercedes]

I have the universal that I can lend.

clay


On Nov 14, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> they are machine specific unless you buy the universal install disk. I have 
> 10.6, but it is specific to the MBPro 8,1.
> 
>> You can download it.  I have an imac dvd but I think they are machine 
>> specific?
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 11/14/15 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 10.6 or 
>>> newer.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would sell?  
>>> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

He’s good.  I got him the universal disk image over the weekend.

Dan


> On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:17 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I have the universal that I can lend.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> they are machine specific unless you buy the universal install disk. I have 
>> 10.6, but it is specific to the MBPro 8,1.
>> 
>>> You can download it.  I have an imac dvd but I think they are machine 
>>> specific?
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> On 11/14/15 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
 In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 10.6 or 
 newer.
 
 Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would sell?  
 Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got him an image of Snow Lion (10.6)

Dan

 
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:20 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> El capitan will not function on the 1,1 macbook.  Too slow and will not take 
> enough ram.  that is why I upgraded my book
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 10.6 or 
>> newer.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would sell?  
>> Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[clay via Mercedes]

El capitan will not function on the 1,1 macbook.  Too slow and will not take 
enough ram.  that is why I upgraded my book

clay


On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 10.6 or 
> newer.
> 
> Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would sell?  
> Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

they are machine specific unless you buy the universal install disk. 
I have 10.6, but it is specific to the MBPro 8,1.


You can download it.  I have an imac dvd but I think they are 
machine specific?


--R

On 11/14/15 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 
10.6 or newer.


Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would 
sell?  Thanks.



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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 
10.6 or newer.


Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would sell?  Thanks.

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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You can download it.  I have an imac dvd but I think they are machine 
specific?


--R

On 11/14/15 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
In order to try  10.11 on the macbook 1.1, I have to install first 
10.6 or newer.


Does anyone have a 10.6 or newer universal install dvd you would 
sell?  Thanks.


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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[clay via Mercedes]

iMac tend to collect kruft that reduces cooling and leads to operational 
failures.  I have acquired and revived a few by careful application of canned 
air after removing the coverings.  The same overheat failures plague the 
laptops.   To clear up drive issues, fully clean the guts of the iMac, then I 
would use the install disk to boot to disk utility.  Repair permissions and 
check the surface.  If that does not return errors, you can Carbon Copy clone 
the drive to the SSD or 4 Tb drive

clay


On Nov 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

> OK I got the SSD and replacement HD for my iMac, which I have been putting 
> off installing for a few days but I need to do that.  I want to put the OS 
> (which will be 10.6.something as I have some apps that don't work with the 
> later versions) on the SSD and then restore or transfer everything off the 
> (possibly failing/overheating) original HD.  I have a Time Machine backup 
> drive.  I have the original OS install DVD and a pointer to the updates 
> (10.6.8?) so I can get that sorted out OK on the SSD.
> 
> Any y'all have some detailed instructions on how to do the app/data transfer 
> and set it up to boot off the SSD and see all the other stuff on the new HD?  
> I found a few instructions on how to sorta do that but they did not entirely 
> address my concerns and still seemed a bit vague.  I think DPPoos had some 
> instructions for when he did it?
> 
> I am thinking that the overheating on the HD might be due to some schmutz in 
> there clogging things up, so I will do a thorough cleaning too and then put 
> the original HD in an external case so I will probably be able to pull stuff 
> directly off it though I will also have the TM bkup.
> 
> I got a new 4TB drive, wasn't that much more than a 1 or 2, and HGST Deskstar 
> which seem to be the highest-rated HDs.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/11/15 10:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro 
>>> 13” C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well under El Capitan.
>> 
>> First-gen C2D I think.  15" Pro3,1 2007?  Can only take 4GB.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

OS X is still UNIX, in fact one of the few fully licensed UNIX still in the
marketplace, and free as long as it is on Apple hardware. Getting into the
DeLorean a bit here, but I remember licensing costs from AT over SysV
UNIX. When Sun Microsystems was SUN and SGI had IRIX and the cheapest UNIX
workstation was more than a new Mercedes E class.

But I digress. OS X has put some roadblocks in place, as has been
mentioned, for the "grandma crowd" however, anyone with UNIX background can
easily circumvent and disable these. Too easily, in fact, for a long time
there was a bug that allowed unsigned code to forcibly enable full no
password sudo rights for any account, including guest, and then install
whatever they wanted as UID 0.

Kept that very quiet, they did.

EdB

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Terminal is still there, and the underlying OS kernel is still readily
> accessible for those who wish to tinker or modify.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > They dumped classic icons and went South Beach, flat pastel cartoon.
> Looks like something from Toontown for Miami Hotwives.  The install was
> very simple.  Took forever for the download, but I had the install screen
> there when I woke up.  Poke the install button and away it went.   The
> whole feel is simplistic and very one button.  The same look and feel
> interface as with the iPhones and iPads for configuration, as well as
> execution.  It also hooks deeply into iCloud and synching all your Apple
> products together.  That way you can answer you phone on the computer,
> phone or ipad.  Or move from one to the next as needed.
> >
> > The slow degradation of options and locking away of user meddling for
> usability sake sort of sucks.  Out of box functionality is slick, so a non
> tech would have no issues or distractions diving right in.  A bit too much
> like the Benz ethos of hiding all the new things under slick wrapping and
> keeping the user from being able to swing a wrench without having all the
> official parts and diagnostic tool kits.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >>> Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing
> for a unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The thing was
> wiped with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate stuff over and
> update the OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had done on my other
> macbooks.  It would not allow me to install 10.7 from DVD, but manual
> update got to 10.6.8 so the DVD did work.  Auto update on 10.7 farted and
> locked.  It did not want to behave, so I just went with El Capitan.  Took
> all night to install.
> >>>
> >>> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel. No
> lock up so far.
> >>>
> >>> clay
> >>
> >> What is ugly?  the install or the GUI?
> >> What is like ios?
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can download but not install.  Just go to the App Store and click on the 
link - one of the choices is download.  It ends up in the Applications folder.

Dan

 
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Terminal is still there, and the underlying OS kernel is still readily 
>> accessible for those who wish to tinker or modify.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> 
> TO get the free download can you download and not install, or does it install 
> on the machine you download from?
> 
> I'd like to get the copy, but I don't want to risk bricking an older machine 
> if it goes south.  I want to sit on it a while to do more research on 
> performance with old intel machines.
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody 
MacBook Pro 13” C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well 
under El Capitan.


First-gen C2D I think.  15" Pro3,1 2007?  Can only take 4GB.

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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

OK I got the SSD and replacement HD for my iMac, which I have been 
putting off installing for a few days but I need to do that.  I want to 
put the OS (which will be 10.6.something as I have some apps that don't 
work with the later versions) on the SSD and then restore or transfer 
everything off the (possibly failing/overheating) original HD.  I have a 
Time Machine backup drive.  I have the original OS install DVD and a 
pointer to the updates (10.6.8?) so I can get that sorted out OK on the 
SSD.


Any y'all have some detailed instructions on how to do the app/data 
transfer and set it up to boot off the SSD and see all the other stuff 
on the new HD?  I found a few instructions on how to sorta do that but 
they did not entirely address my concerns and still seemed a bit vague.  
I think DPPoos had some instructions for when he did it?


I am thinking that the overheating on the HD might be due to some 
schmutz in there clogging things up, so I will do a thorough cleaning 
too and then put the original HD in an external case so I will probably 
be able to pull stuff directly off it though I will also have the TM bkup.


I got a new 4TB drive, wasn't that much more than a 1 or 2, and HGST 
Deskstar which seem to be the highest-rated HDs.


--R



On 11/11/15 10:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody 
MacBook Pro 13” C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well 
under El Capitan.


First-gen C2D I think.  15" Pro3,1 2007?  Can only take 4GB.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[clay via Mercedes]

My newest book is late 09 with only 2gb.  Ram upgrade on the way.  The mini is 
late 09 at 4gb.  Will be thinking about maxing it out on ram after getting the 
book stable.  Not going to update the mini to Capitan until ram is installed.

clay


On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro 
> 13” C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well under El Capitan.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel.
>> 
>> So I think of the Yosemite that's on my wife's 'book.  Ugly.
>> Works well, though, but slow.  Cured the infuriating wifi problems
>> we were having with 10.5, 10.6.  Could use an SSD, but RAM is maxed
>> at 4GB.  It wants more.  You probably need a lot more.
>> 
>> I'm sending this from my machine that's running 10.2.8, controlled
>> (via Chicken of the VNC) from a G5Q that's running 10.5.8.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan now whatever 10.6 was called

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

iMacs are really intolerant of high temperatures. I swapped a hard drive in a 
20" C2D iMac I had and the temperatures killed the new drive in a week. Your 
SSD should be fine.

Load the OS to the SSD with the optical media. Apply whatever updates are 
necessary to get it as current (for that OS) as possible.

Be absolutely sure you use the same naming convention for the machine and your 
account(s) in the new install. If you don't, you will have home folder and 
permission problems with stuff you restore from TimeMachine.

If you want to avoid these potential issues, boot off the OS optical media and 
restore the old OS to the SSD. It's not as clean, but it will take you back to 
exactly where you were with your last backup.

MacDan

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK I got the SSD and replacement HD for my iMac, which I have been putting 
> off installing for a few days but I need to do that.  I want to put the OS 
> (which will be 10.6.something as I have some apps that don't work with the 
> later versions) on the SSD and then restore or transfer everything off the 
> (possibly failing/overheating) original HD.  I have a Time Machine backup 
> drive.  I have the original OS install DVD and a pointer to the updates 
> (10.6.8?) so I can get that sorted out OK on the SSD.
> 
> Any y'all have some detailed instructions on how to do the app/data transfer 
> and set it up to boot off the SSD and see all the other stuff on the new HD?  
> I found a few instructions on how to sorta do that but they did not entirely 
> address my concerns and still seemed a bit vague.  I think DPPoos had some 
> instructions for when he did it?
> 
> I am thinking that the overheating on the HD might be due to some schmutz in 
> there clogging things up, so I will do a thorough cleaning too and then put 
> the original HD in an external case so I will probably be able to pull stuff 
> directly off it though I will also have the TM bkup.
> 
> I got a new 4TB drive, wasn't that much more than a 1 or 2, and HGST Deskstar 
> which seem to be the highest-rated HDs.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/11/15 10:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro 
>>> 13” C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well under El Capitan.
>> 
>> First-gen C2D I think.  15" Pro3,1 2007?  Can only take 4GB.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rick warned me about it so I am sticking with good ol' Yosemite.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:14 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...
>
>
> I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing for a
> unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The thing was wiped
> with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate stuff over and update the
> OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had done on my other macbooks.  It
> would not allow me to install 10.7 from DVD, but manual update got to
> 10.6.8 so the DVD did work.  Auto update on 10.7 farted and locked.  It did
> not want to behave, so I just went with El Capitan.  Took all night to
> install.
>
> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel.  No
> lock up so far.
>
>
> clay
>
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...


I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing 
for a unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The 
thing was wiped with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate 
stuff over and update the OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had 
done on my other macbooks.  It would not allow me to install 10.7 
from DVD, but manual update got to 10.6.8 so the DVD did work.  Auto 
update on 10.7 farted and locked.  It did not want to behave, so I 
just went with El Capitan.  Took all night to install.


This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel. 
No lock up so far.


clay


What is ugly?  the install or the GUI?
What is like ios?

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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[clay via Mercedes]

They dumped classic icons and went South Beach, flat pastel cartoon.  Looks 
like something from Toontown for Miami Hotwives.  The install was very simple.  
Took forever for the download, but I had the install screen there when I woke 
up.  Poke the install button and away it went.   The whole feel is simplistic 
and very one button.  The same look and feel interface as with the iPhones and 
iPads for configuration, as well as execution.  It also hooks deeply into 
iCloud and synching all your Apple products together.  That way you can answer 
you phone on the computer, phone or ipad.  Or move from one to the next as 
needed.  

The slow degradation of options and locking away of user meddling for usability 
sake sort of sucks.  Out of box functionality is slick, so a non tech would 
have no issues or distractions diving right in.  A bit too much like the Benz 
ethos of hiding all the new things under slick wrapping and keeping the user 
from being able to swing a wrench without having all the official parts and 
diagnostic tool kits.

clay


 
On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...
>> 
>> 
>> I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing for a 
>> unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The thing was wiped 
>> with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate stuff over and update the 
>> OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had done on my other macbooks.  It 
>> would not allow me to install 10.7 from DVD, but manual update got to 10.6.8 
>> so the DVD did work.  Auto update on 10.7 farted and locked.  It did not 
>> want to behave, so I just went with El Capitan.  Took all night to install.
>> 
>> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel. No lock 
>> up so far.
>> 
>> clay
> 
> What is ugly?  the install or the GUI?
> What is like ios?
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[clay via Mercedes]

Very true, the meat is tucked out of view of most users.  The dumbing down 
issue is what stuck in my craw.  Just a bit too simplistic.  Great for 
grandmothers and small children.

clay

On Nov 10, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Terminal is still there, and the underlying OS kernel is still readily 
> accessible for those who wish to tinker or modify.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> They dumped classic icons and went South Beach, flat pastel cartoon.  Looks 
>> like something from Toontown for Miami Hotwives.  The install was very 
>> simple.  Took forever for the download, but I had the install screen there 
>> when I woke up.  Poke the install button and away it went.   The whole feel 
>> is simplistic and very one button.  The same look and feel interface as with 
>> the iPhones and iPads for configuration, as well as execution.  It also 
>> hooks deeply into iCloud and synching all your Apple products together.  
>> That way you can answer you phone on the computer, phone or ipad.  Or move 
>> from one to the next as needed.  
>> 
>> The slow degradation of options and locking away of user meddling for 
>> usability sake sort of sucks.  Out of box functionality is slick, so a non 
>> tech would have no issues or distractions diving right in.  A bit too much 
>> like the Benz ethos of hiding all the new things under slick wrapping and 
>> keeping the user from being able to swing a wrench without having all the 
>> official parts and diagnostic tool kits.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
 Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...
 
 
 I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing for a 
 unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The thing was wiped 
 with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate stuff over and update 
 the OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had done on my other macbooks.  
 It would not allow me to install 10.7 from DVD, but manual update got to 
 10.6.8 so the DVD did work.  Auto update on 10.7 farted and locked.  It 
 did not want to behave, so I just went with El Capitan.  Took all night to 
 install.
 
 This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel. No lock 
 up so far.
 
 clay
>>> 
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>>> What is like ios?
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel.


So I think of the Yosemite that's on my wife's 'book.  Ugly.
Works well, though, but slow.  Cured the infuriating wifi problems
we were having with 10.5, 10.6.  Could use an SSD, but RAM is maxed
at 4GB.  It wants more.  You probably need a lot more.

I'm sending this from my machine that's running 10.2.8, controlled
(via Chicken of the VNC) from a G5Q that's running 10.5.8.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What kind of ‘book? My secondary machine is a late 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro 13” 
C2D with 8GB of RAM and an SSD.  It works quite well under El Capitan.

Dan




> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel.
> 
> So I think of the Yosemite that's on my wife's 'book.  Ugly.
> Works well, though, but slow.  Cured the infuriating wifi problems
> we were having with 10.5, 10.6.  Could use an SSD, but RAM is maxed
> at 4GB.  It wants more.  You probably need a lot more.
> 
> I'm sending this from my machine that's running 10.2.8, controlled
> (via Chicken of the VNC) from a G5Q that's running 10.5.8.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Terminal is still there, and the underlying OS kernel is still readily 
accessible for those who wish to tinker or modify.

Dan


> On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> They dumped classic icons and went South Beach, flat pastel cartoon.  Looks 
> like something from Toontown for Miami Hotwives.  The install was very 
> simple.  Took forever for the download, but I had the install screen there 
> when I woke up.  Poke the install button and away it went.   The whole feel 
> is simplistic and very one button.  The same look and feel interface as with 
> the iPhones and iPads for configuration, as well as execution.  It also hooks 
> deeply into iCloud and synching all your Apple products together.  That way 
> you can answer you phone on the computer, phone or ipad.  Or move from one to 
> the next as needed.  
> 
> The slow degradation of options and locking away of user meddling for 
> usability sake sort of sucks.  Out of box functionality is slick, so a non 
> tech would have no issues or distractions diving right in.  A bit too much 
> like the Benz ethos of hiding all the new things under slick wrapping and 
> keeping the user from being able to swing a wrench without having all the 
> official parts and diagnostic tool kits.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>>> Not heeding my own advice, but I was forced to...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I picked up a macbook off Goodwill yesterday.  Paid next to nothing for a 
>>> unibody with working battery, no charger, small ram.  The thing was wiped 
>>> with fresh install of 10.6.3.  I tried to migrate stuff over and update the 
>>> OS.  Update just locked it up, as it had done on my other macbooks.  It 
>>> would not allow me to install 10.7 from DVD, but manual update got to 
>>> 10.6.8 so the DVD did work.  Auto update on 10.7 farted and locked.  It did 
>>> not want to behave, so I just went with El Capitan.  Took all night to 
>>> install.
>>> 
>>> This thing is ugly.  Like ios.  Or winblows.  All flat and pastel. No lock 
>>> up so far.
>>> 
>>> clay
>> 
>> What is ugly?  the install or the GUI?
>> What is like ios?
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Re: [MBZ] El Capitan

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Terminal is still there, and the underlying OS kernel is still 
readily accessible for those who wish to tinker or modify.


Dan



TO get the free download can you download and not install, or does it 
install on the machine you download from?


I'd like to get the copy, but I don't want to risk bricking an older 
machine if it goes south.  I want to sit on it a while to do more 
research on performance with old intel machines.


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