Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 03:34:28PM -0800, Steve Marci wrote: Do you guys know if that $57 one from from CJW would do me any good on my 12 valve Cummins?? Thats the puppy I read about, needing a test gauge for, so it might be a good idea to have one. Thanks Generally speaking, it was the 24v cummins that you needed the fuel pressure gauge on to make sure the lift pump doesn't go low pressure and take out the $3000+ injector pump. The 12v engines aren't necessarily known for that failure, but the 24v series is. K
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Kevin wrote: Generally speaking, it was the 24v cummins that you needed the fuel pressure gauge on to make sure the lift pump doesn't go low pressure and take out the $3000+ injector pump. The 12v engines aren't necessarily known for that failure, but the 24v series is. And I'd want an electric gauge running full-time like an oil pressure gauge.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Just the one for Bosch. On 1/9/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that one works OK? I will have to order that then. Do you have to order both of those kits listed there or just the bosch one? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
I read allot about return lines going bad and air leaking into the fuel system from various places on the older 12 valve CTDs. Wouldn't it be a useful tool for finding those leaks? I wasn't thinking of dash mounted gauge, got enough too look at now :-) Thanks Steve Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:05:44 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin wrote: Generally speaking, it was the 24v cummins that you needed the fuel pressure gauge on to make sure the lift pump doesn't go low pressure and take out the $3000+ injector pump. The 12v engines aren't necessarily known for that failure, but the 24v series is. And I'd want an electric gauge running full-time like an oil pressure gauge.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
I still have my original SnapOn CIS test setup from back in my old indy days, but I believe Harbor Freight currently sells a fuel injection diagnostic kit that may include the switchover valves and appropriate fittings for CIS. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
I don't know it they ship to Oz, but I have this one and it works OK --- http://tinyurl.com/ddf28 On 1/8/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
I'll keep that in mind, however I usally buy tools with a long term view in mind. That is to say one day I may own a car that has a system other than K/KE in which case a universal kit comes in handy. Also being able to fix tricky hard to track down problems will save lots of dollars. Not to mention when the old school mechanics retire there will be no-one to fix these old cars. I don't think too many of todays DC apprentices would know anything about K-jetronic, except that it a system used on antique Benz vehicles. Also while I am bashing away at the keyboard, just a word of safety about working on fuel injection systems. All fuel injection systems work under a fair bit of pressure (ie. K-jet works at somewhere between 50-75psi) and the fuel pump is designed to have a flow rate of about 15 litres/minute, so if there is a problem you may have a flame thrower on your hands. To avoid a potentially nasty situation it is recommended to disconnect the battery (although few do) and ground the chassis to get rid of static electricity. OK most won't do that because it is a pain to do, however I do insist that when working on a fuel system that safety glasses are worn. Spilt fuel is cleaned up straight away. A working and suitable fire extinguisher is at hand (not over the other side of the shed behind a whole pile of old bits and pieces because in these situations seconds count), also make sure you know how to use the extinguisher (you don't want to read the instructions as your pride and joy is barbecuing). I have a extinguisher attached to the passenger seat and an extinguisher just inside the door to the shed (also inform your partner of the location of extinguisher and instruct in use of said item without alarming partner). As a backup have the garden hose nearby just in case. Lastly if you do get covered in fuel, change clothes immediatley. I usally just wear a T shirt (and pants) and if some fuel spills it is easy to change or just wipe the arms. I realise most/all of you know this stuff but I doesn't hurt to be reminded as much as first degree burns hurt (which I don't know because I have never been a human torch). Also if anyone has additional safety tips relating to fuel systems, please speak up. Hendrik with a good safety record - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 3/01/2006
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
The most pain I've ever felt working on a car was when I slid under a '79 Beetle convertible and cracked a fuel line. Gas trickled down onto my face, and when I reflexively turned my head, it spilled into my ear canal. I writhed on the the ground for five agonizing minutes, in full view of customers, et al. I should've been video-tape fodder for the America's stupidest mechanics TV show. Moral of story, don't get fuel in your ears folks. Play smart. Play safe. On 1/8/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll keep that in mind, however I usally buy tools with a long term view in mind. That is to say one day I may own a car that has a system other than K/KE in which case a universal kit comes in handy. Also being able to fix tricky hard to track down problems will save lots of dollars. Not to mention when the old school mechanics retire there will be no-one to fix these old cars. I don't think too many of todays DC apprentices would know anything about K-jetronic, except that it a system used on antique Benz vehicles. Also while I am bashing away at the keyboard, just a word of safety about working on fuel injection systems. All fuel injection systems work under a fair bit of pressure (ie. K-jet works at somewhere between 50-75psi) and the fuel pump is designed to have a flow rate of about 15 litres/minute, so if there is a problem you may have a flame thrower on your hands. To avoid a potentially nasty situation it is recommended to disconnect the battery (although few do) and ground the chassis to get rid of static electricity. OK most won't do that because it is a pain to do, however I do insist that when working on a fuel system that safety glasses are worn. Spilt fuel is cleaned up straight away. A working and suitable fire extinguisher is at hand (not over the other side of the shed behind a whole pile of old bits and pieces because in these situations seconds count), also make sure you know how to use the extinguisher (you don't want to read the instructions as your pride and joy is barbecuing). I have a extinguisher attached to the passenger seat and an extinguisher just inside the door to the shed (also inform your partner of the location of extinguisher and instruct in use of said item without alarming partner). As a backup have the garden hose nearby just in case. Lastly if you do get covered in fuel, change clothes immediatley. I usally just wear a T shirt (and pants) and if some fuel spills it is easy to change or just wipe the arms. I realise most/all of you know this stuff but I doesn't hurt to be reminded as much as first degree burns hurt (which I don't know because I have never been a human torch). Also if anyone has additional safety tips relating to fuel systems, please speak up. Hendrik with a good safety record Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Thanks for that, does it work on D-jet or more modern type injection system? It should work on D-jet I suppose because all you can really measure is fuel pump pressure, the rest is all electrical. Same with the modern injection systems. It all comes down to the variety of connectors in a kit. Hendrik - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) I don't know it they ship to Oz, but I have this one and it works OK --- http://tinyurl.com/ddf28 On 1/8/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 3/01/2006
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
that one works OK? I will have to order that then. Do you have to order both of those kits listed there or just the bosch one? OK Don wrote: I don't know it they ship to Oz, but I have this one and it works OK --- http://tinyurl.com/ddf28 On 1/8/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Yea, thats what I want to know as well. Hendrik Riessen wrote: Thanks for that, does it work on D-jet or more modern type injection system? It should work on D-jet I suppose because all you can really measure is fuel pump pressure, the rest is all electrical. Same with the modern injection systems. It all comes down to the variety of connectors in a kit. Hendrik - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) I don't know it they ship to Oz, but I have this one and it works OK --- http://tinyurl.com/ddf28 On 1/8/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 3/01/2006 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Is this the same as the CIS-E system used on the early M103 engines? 1986 through 1990-something 300E? I've been wanting to get that too, since my 300E has some annoying issues that I haven't been able to resolve (hard to start when warm, misfire at idle when warm). How about these kits: http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TA-33865.html http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/OTC-6552.html :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:19:23 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I probably need to order the one he sent that was on ebay? I didn't look at the eBay auction, but the CIS kit at JCW didn't look bad for $57.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Do you guys know if that $57 one from from CJW would do me any good on my 12 valve Cummins?? Thats the puppy I read about, needing a test gauge for, so it might be a good idea to have one. Thanks Regards Steve 85 Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K 79 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild 94 Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K 82 TD project wagon 64 VW Bug 65 D15, AC tractor Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:10:43 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I probably need to order the one he sent that was on ebay? I didn't look at the eBay auction, but the CIS kit at JCW didn't look bad for $57. --
Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS)
Dave, I purchased a kit to try and find out why my 300CE suffers from the same problems you are having. At times cold starts can be delayed and hot starts instantaneous. Frustrating all the kit did was confirm all is well. In my case exchanging the fuel pumps / pump relay / EU / Ignition module / new filters had no effect. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave M. Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) Is this the same as the CIS-E system used on the early M103 engines? 1986 through 1990-something 300E? I've been wanting to get that too, since my 300E has some annoying issues that I haven't been able to resolve (hard to start when warm, misfire at idle when warm). How about these kits: http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/TA-33865.html http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/OTC-6552.html :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:19:23 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pressure test kits for K-jetronic(CIS) Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeah well I am in the market for a test kit. The cheapest I have found in Oz is about AU$600 http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogue/product.php/10/19/224 That's a big universal kit. For K-jet, you just need something you can put in the control circuit with a gauge and a shutoff valve. With the valve open, you read control pressure. With the valve shut, control pressure rises to match system pressure and you see what the regulator is set for. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006
