Re: [MBZ] HDs

[RELNGSON]

> ...Drives are drives, an IDE drive which is new to a chain must be set to 
> slave no matter if its a Mac or PC, its a bus requirement. SCSI drives 
> work EXACTLY the same on Macs as PCs as do SATA. In fact Macs have had over 
> the years some extremely convoluted rules about what drive can go in, how big 
> it can be, what controller it can use, etc...
> 
Are you referring to old Macs? My G4MDD uses ATA drives and has no SCSI 
like my 1995 7100/66 did. I just plugged in the second drive and nothing more 
was needed.

I also need to buy a USB 2 card for something I bought but they are not 
expensive.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[LWB250]

Roger,

I think they may be referring to the drive limit size that was present on 
pre-G4 MDD models (Quicksilver and earlier.)  If you recall the drive limit was 
128M on earlier models

I have a G4 Quicksilver and had to add a hard drive controller to recognize 
larger drives.  For that matter, I added a RAID controller because I tasked 
this computer as a network backup server.  It now has 4 - 500G ATA drives set 
up as a RAID 5 array.  It runs OS X 10.4 and does little more than act as a 
data repository for everything else in the house - laptop(s), desktops and an 
NAS that contains video and shared files for all users.

Dan



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> > ...Drives are drives, an IDE
> drive which is new to a chain must be set to 
> > slave no matter if its a Mac or PC, its a bus
> requirement. SCSI drives 
> > work EXACTLY the same on Macs as PCs as do SATA. In
> fact Macs have had over 
> > the years some extremely convoluted rules about what
> drive can go in, how big 
> > it can be, what controller it can use, etc...
> > 
> Are you referring to old Macs? My G4MDD uses ATA drives and
> has no SCSI 
> like my 1995 7100/66 did. I just plugged in the second
> drive and nothing more 
> was needed.
> 
> I also need to buy a USB 2 card for something I bought but
> they are not 
> expensive.
> 
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Loren Faeth]

Dan,

I have a charcoal case G4 (Next year after the blue/white Mac) with 
IDE drives (and a SCSI Card)  What version of OS 10 would be best for 
it?  I have 10.4 and I was told the beige G3 were best with 10.2.  It 
still has OS 9, but we never use it.  With OS10, I think we'd use 
it.  I always wanted to put a version of OS10 server on it, but never 
could justify the price of used Server OS on fleabay when i already 
had Server 2003 more or less free.  The university junk sale is 
selling these for  $125 or less now, so I shoulda sold it several years ago.


TIA



At 03:30 PM 4/21/2009, you wrote:

LWB250 


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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Peter Frederick]

You can run 10.5 on that, I think, but I'd not do that unless you have a FAST 
processor and maxed out ram.

I run 10.4.11 on mine with a 500Mhz G4 and 1G of ram (as of last night). Works 
pretty good, especially since I discovered last night I'd set the speed jumpers 
wrong at it was only running at 350 MHz.

10.2.x is a slug, and 10.4 is nice.  Let me know if you cannot find disks, 
Apple no longer sells it, you have to get them used on eBay.  There is a 
work-around for machine specific disks.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Loren Faeth 
>Sent: Apr 21, 2009 3:45 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs
>
>Dan,
>
>I have a charcoal case G4 (Next year after the blue/white Mac) with 
>IDE drives (and a SCSI Card)  What version of OS 10 would be best for 
>it?  I have 10.4 and I was told the beige G3 were best with 10.2.  It 
>still has OS 9, but we never use it.  With OS10, I think we'd use 
>it.  I always wanted to put a version of OS10 server on it, but never 
>could justify the price of used Server OS on fleabay when i already 
>had Server 2003 more or less free.  The university junk sale is 
>selling these for  $125 or less now, so I shoulda sold it several years ago.
>
>TIA
>
>
>
>At 03:30 PM 4/21/2009, you wrote:
>>LWB250 
>
>Loren Faeth 
>
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

> Dan,
>
> I have a charcoal case G4 (Next year after the blue/white Mac) with IDE
> drives (and a SCSI Card)  What version of OS 10 would be best for it?  I
> have 10.4 and I was told the beige G3 were best with 10.2.  It still has OS
> 9, but we never use it.  With OS10, I think we'd use it.  I always wanted to
> put a version of OS10 server on it, but never could justify the price of
> used Server OS on fleabay when i already had Server 2003 more or less free.
>  The university junk sale is selling these for  $125 or less now, so I
> shoulda sold it several years ago.
>
> TIA


If it is literally the G4 that came out the year after the G3, then 10.4
(Tiger) is the most current, and best, OS X to run on it. 10.5 (Leopard)
will not run on it without fooling it as the OS makes a check to verify the
G4 is a 867Mhz or faster processor.

If you've upgraded the processor to faster than 867Mhz you might be able to
run Leopard without any other changes. However, even with an upgraded 1Ghz
processor in the old Yikes! G4 I would just stick with Tiger. Tiger is
extremely stable, very fast, and is what I'm running on two of my four macs.

Leopard has some cool toys, but on the new Mini, I haven't even used any of
them yet. So that's all they are right now, toys.

My 2 cents,

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> 10.2.x is a slug, and 10.4 is nice.  Let me know if you cannot find disks,
> Apple no longer sells it, you have to get them used on eBay.  There is a
> work-around for machine specific disks.
>
> Peter
>

http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-mac-os-x-tiger-prices.html  (Tiger Price
Availability)

http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-mac-os-x-prices.html(10.0 - 10.3
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

> Dan,
>
> The university junk sale is selling these for  $125 or less now, so I
> shoulda sold it several years ago.
>

Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally dropped out
from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
   1.8Ghz Single - $450
   1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
   933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
   400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Curt Raymond]

10.5 requires an 867mhz or faster processor, it'll have checks to see what 
hardware you've got before it'll install. You could use xpostfacto to get 
around it but I'm not sure you'd want to.

My wife has a G3 iBook she uses at work and we're running into an unforseen 
issue with it in that it cannot run the latest versions of iTunes because its 
got 10.3 but with only 128MB of RAM it can't go to 10.4... I accidently put the 
latest iTunes on her PC when I built it and now I need to uinstall that and 
find an older one for the PC that will work with her mac.

I hate to upgrade the mac as its old and only plays music for her second 
massage room. At some point that room is going to get a robotic massage chair 
at which point it'll get a newer computer as it'll have a video display...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:52:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID:
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You can run 10.5 on that, I think, but I'd not do that unless you have a FAST 
processor and maxed out ram.

I
run 10.4.11 on mine with a 500Mhz G4 and 1G of ram (as of last night).
Works pretty good, especially since I discovered last night I'd set the
speed jumpers wrong at it was only running at 350 MHz.

10.2.x
is a slug, and 10.4 is nice.  Let me know if you cannot find disks,
Apple no longer sells it, you have to get them used on eBay.  There is
a work-around for machine specific disks.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Jim Cathey]

and I was told the beige G3 were best with 10.2.  It still has OS 9, 
but we never use it.  With OS10, I think we'd use it.


I'm using a 233 MHz Beige G3 right now.  Been doing so for years.
Won't officially run anything newer than 10.2.8, but that's not
been much of a problem for my needs.  It _really_ liked getting
the RAM maxed out this Xmas.  Much more pleasant, I can run Photoshop
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Loren Faeth]

Thanks all.  that was supposed to go to Mac Dan privately, but I 
screwed up and sent it to the list by mistake.  But it sounds like 
10.4 will be ok on it.  that is good, because that is the only 
non-specific OS I have.




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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Curt Raymond]

Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work and 
putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
From: Ed Booher 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

> Dan,
>
> The university junk sale is selling these for  $125 or less now, so I
> shoulda sold it several years ago.
>

Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally dropped out
from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
   1.8Ghz Single - $450
   1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
   933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
   400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[LarryT]

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

LarryT

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs


Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work and 
putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
From: Ed Booher 
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth 
wrote:



Dan,

The university junk sale is selling these for $125 or less now, so I
shoulda sold it several years ago.



Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally dropped out
from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
1.8Ghz Single - $450
1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Rich Thomas]

I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping 
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.  I 
did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders 
involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I 
also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted with 
only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a second 
logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have things 
double-backed up.


--R

LarryT wrote:

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

LarryT

- Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs


Sheesh, it was only a few years ago I was getting 400Mhz G4s from work 
and putting them on eBay for $400... Well 4 years ago I guess, but still.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:18:29 -0400
From: Ed Booher 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HDs
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Loren Faeth 
wrote:



Dan,

The university junk sale is selling these for $125 or less now, so I
shoulda sold it several years ago.



Also, with the move to Intel processors, the price has literally 
dropped out

from under the PPC macs.

G5's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html
---
1.8Ghz Single - $450
1.8Ghz Dual - $599

G4's: http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html
---
933Mhz QuickSilver (Leopard Capable) - $200
400Mhz Sawtooth (Tiger Capable) - $50

EdB



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Jim Cathey]

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!


I recall that I once was tempted by an 80MB drive
that was about $1000 at the time.  I didn't buy it,
and I've never regretted it!

Work is throwing away an Exabyte tape carousel backup
system.  Who knows how many TB it holds at once, but
it's tapes...

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping 
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle. 


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good deal, but why 
only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they had a firmware problem in 
the drives and many of them bricked themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap drives were 
OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them unpadded via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Allan Streib]

A lot of PCs now come with two partitions, one for actual use and one
that serves as a "recovery" partition, storing images of the original
OS, drivers, and other software that shipped with the PC.


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:23 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

> I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping
> no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.
> I did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders
> involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I
> also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted
> with only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a
> second logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have
> things double-backed up.
>
> --R

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Loren Faeth]

I've always bought OEM drives, no problem.  Mine have always arrived 
well protected, but I have only bought one drive in the last 4 years 
or so.  Guess it depends on the merchant.


At 08:43 AM 4/22/2009, you wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free 
shipping no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good 
deal, but why only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they 
had a firmware problem in the drives and many of them bricked themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap 
drives were OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them 
unpadded via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Rich Thomas]

This was one I put in myself, not sure why it formatted that way, but I 
fixed it more or less.  I hate dealing with that kind of thing, it 
should be easy (in winders).


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

A lot of PCs now come with two partitions, one for actual use and one
that serves as a "recovery" partition, storing images of the original
OS, drivers, and other software that shipped with the PC.


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:23 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

  

I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free shipping
no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, no hassle.
I did discover that formatting it to get it recognizable by winders
involved some obscure process, but once I did that it worked fine.  I
also discovered that my main drive, 250GB, was initially formatted
with only one partition at 125GB, so turning the other 125GB into a
second logical drive saved the need for the 1TB drive, but now I have
things double-backed up.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Rich Thomas]

Mine was OEM and showed up in a box with some bubble wrap, it was in one 
of those nasty indestructible plastic packages.  You need to get cables 
with them too, they don't come with one.  The SATA cable was like $6 or 
so, and I think I got a power adapter too.  I probably had some in a box 
somewhere, but they were cheap enough.  newegg is good, if it didn't 
work they take care of it right quick.  I bought a projector from them 2 
or 3 yr ago, it was DOA, they sent me a shipping label and shipped me 
another one immediately while I was shipping the dead one back.  I 
thought that was quite trustworthy for a $700 item.


--R

Loren Faeth wrote:
I've always bought OEM drives, no problem.  Mine have always arrived 
well protected, but I have only bought one drive in the last 4 years 
or so.  Guess it depends on the merchant.


At 08:43 AM 4/22/2009, you wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I bought one from newegg.com a coupla weeks ago for $90, free 
shipping no tax, and it took 3 min sitting at the computer, no gas, 
no hassle.


I was just looking at Amazon, the $85 Seagate looked like a good 
deal, but why only 3 stars on customer ratings? It seems that they 
had a firmware problem in the drives and many of them bricked 
themselves.
I also noticed a review on Amazon that suggested a lot of the cheap 
drives were OEM not retail, and the bozos were shipping them unpadded 
via Fedex and UPS.


What's a good price on a retail box 1TB drive these days?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Curt Raymond]

And here I thought CompUSA had gone out of business.
Oh wait, they had, this is the "All New" Compusa.com...

Their stores were horrible.

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:08:09 -0400
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CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -

LarryT


  
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Re: [MBZ] HDs

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:

CompUSA has 1TB int Hard drives for ~$80!  And the price keeps dropping -


Just ordered a 1TB Hitachi from zipzoomfly.com for $84 before $10 rebate.
Same drive was $88 at CompUSA.com

Mitch.

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