Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: > The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK > that's super illegal in the US... Yeah I think even off-road diesel is ULSD now, and has been for some time. Unless someone has a standby generator with a big tank of old fuel, I would not think there's much left out there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Ahh, those were the days (shaking cane at the kids on my lawn.) The issue of leaks with synthetic oils was greatly exaggerated, unfortunately. If you have leaks, yes, they may well get worse with a synthetic because of the oil’s properties. If you have an engine without leaks, using synthetic isn’t going to cause/create leaks. I’ve used Mobil 1 for decades, and never had an issue with oil leaks. Did some of my cars “mark their territory?” Sure, but no worse than if they had dino oil in them, I believe. If I had an engine that was leakig badly, I also wouldn’t waste a synthetic oil on it, either. That said, there are plenty of MB diesels out there running or were running on dino oil their whole lives and they’re just fine. -D > On Jun 28, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I didn’t think an oil thread could get any better, then Herr Doktor Booth and > Rusty are both mentioned….(sniff..sniff). > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:42 AM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the welcome Dan! >> >> In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from >> Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you >> guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of >> my W123's back in 07. >> >> Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised >> against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the >> 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. >> >> I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. >> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! >>> >>> Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! >>> >>> The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or >>> designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is >>> oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, >>> especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in >>> your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc >>> is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many >>> engines of that vintage. >>> >>> The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just >>> do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest >>> oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it >>> regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. >>> >>> Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, >>> pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to >>> decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great >>> oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting >>> your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, >>> and go from there. >>> >>> I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and >>> filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure >>> that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just >>> fine for you as well. >>> >>> It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever >>> reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the >>> decision is ultimately yours. >>> >>> Good shopping! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and >>> am really in the mood for one again. Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. >>> Could you guys offer the most current wisdom. I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. Thanks Troy 77 240d 81 300d 83 300cd 06 E320 CDI 06 S500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives
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I didn’t think an oil thread could get any better, then Herr Doktor Booth and Rusty are both mentioned….(sniff..sniff). AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:42 AM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks for the welcome Dan! > > In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from > Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you > guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of > my W123's back in 07. > > Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised > against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the > 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. > > I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. > >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! >> >> Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! >> >> The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or >> designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is >> oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, >> especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in >> your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc >> is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many >> engines of that vintage. >> >> The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just >> do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest >> oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it >> regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. >> >> Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, >> pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to >> decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great >> oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting >> your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, >> and go from there. >> >> I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and >> filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure >> that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just >> fine for you as well. >> >> It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever >> reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the >> decision is ultimately yours. >> >> Good shopping! >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and >> am >>> really in the mood for one again. >>> >>> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. >> Could >>> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >>> >>> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Troy >>> 77 240d >>> 81 300d >>> 83 300cd >>> 06 E320 CDI >>> 06 S500 >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Thanks for the welcome Dan! In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of my W123's back in 07. Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! > > Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! > > The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or > designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is > oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, > especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in > your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc > is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many > engines of that vintage. > > The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just > do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest > oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it > regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. > > Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, > pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to > decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great > oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting > your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, > and go from there. > > I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and > filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure > that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just > fine for you as well. > > It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever > reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the > decision is ultimately yours. > > Good shopping! > > Dan > > > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
This will be my daily driver, as I'll probably unload my 06 CDI w/ 250k needs ABS & the interior is falling apart, my bride is not excited, she loves that car. I owned all my W123s in a previous life. She said she grew up hating the look of the W123 :-) Funny we may have one in the family now.. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Changing the oil annually on my W126 300SD regardless of mileage/oil brand > is a good way to inspect the car and undertake preventive maintenance at > the same time. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > > important to me at the time. > > > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > > can plug it in. > > > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 > miles. > > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited > amount > > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from > the > > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > > truck's computer. > > > > > > -Curt > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > > am > > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Troy > > > 77 240d > > > 81 300d > > > 83 300cd > > > 06 E320 CDI > > > 06 S500 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I'm in Tennessee, only a few cold days. I drive the truck then. Thanks for the tip! On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've been using this lately. > > https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ > > Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. > > It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my > W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any > more than it already has. > > Allan > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > >> > >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > >> > >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > >> > >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > >> really in the mood for one again. > >> > >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. > >> > >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Troy > >> 77 240d > >> 81 300d > >> 83 300cd > >> 06 E320 CDI > >> 06 S500 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I remember that, never actually did the analysis. Do you recall where you did that? Or the cost? On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
It was - I just looked. ARCO graphite. I remeber using it under the guise of getting better mileage, but for goodness’ sakes, don’t get it on your hands! -D > On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Was it ARCO or something like that? I seem to remember a friend who had a > diesel rabbit and he kept the boot supplied with that stuff since he was > consuming and dripping it out at an astonishing rate. I remember my dad > telling him he could neither park in the driveway nor park in front of the > house. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Does anyone recall the nasty stuff that had graphite in it in the 80s? If >> you think diesel oil on your hands is bad, it’s nothing compared to the >> stuff that had graphite in it. >> >> -D >> >>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> NAPA had it last time I bought. I haven't checked lately. >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: Where do you get it? The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK that's super illegal in the US... I like M1 TDT because its easily available. Which is what really annoys me about the 2015 Jetta which requires oil that meets VW's spec. I think I've mentioned that I had been using LiquiMoly 4100 in Angie's Golf but the price has gone up 50% to nearly $50/gallon. Last oil change I switched to Rotella T6 because it was on sale at Tractor Supply for $25/gal. The VW community says it'll meet the standard for that car although its not listed. Lots of people using it over 100,000 miles. -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I've been using this lately. https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any more than it already has. Allan On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> >> >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang >> thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the >> way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start >> much below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which >> was important to me at the time. >> >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you >> can plug it in. >> >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the >> soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 >> miles. You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. >> >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 >> Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited >> amount it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else >> from the lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, >> pressure washer, generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 >> miles as spec'd by VW, the pickup is about the same based on the oil >> change indicator in the truck's computer. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and >> am >> really in the mood for one again. >> >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >> >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >> >> Thanks >> Troy >> 77 240d >> 81 300d >> 83 300cd >> 06 E320 CDI >> 06 S500 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives
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Was it ARCO or something like that? I seem to remember a friend who had a diesel rabbit and he kept the boot supplied with that stuff since he was consuming and dripping it out at an astonishing rate. I remember my dad telling him he could neither park in the driveway nor park in front of the house. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does anyone recall the nasty stuff that had graphite in it in the 80s? If > you think diesel oil on your hands is bad, it’s nothing compared to the stuff > that had graphite in it. > > -D > >> On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> NAPA had it last time I bought. I haven't checked lately. >> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> Where do you get it? >>> The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK >>> that's super illegal in the US... >>> >>> I like M1 TDT because its easily available. Which is what really annoys >>> me about the 2015 Jetta which requires oil that meets VW's spec. >>> >>> I think I've mentioned that I had been using LiquiMoly 4100 in Angie's >>> Golf but the price has gone up 50% to nearly $50/gallon. Last oil >>> change I switched to Rotella T6 because it was on sale at Tractor >>> Supply for $25/gal. The VW community says it'll meet the standard for >>> that car although its not listed. Lots of people using it over 100,000 >>> miles. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via >>> Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been using this lately. >>> >>> https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ >>> >>> Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. >>> >>> It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive >>> my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing >>> any more than it already has. >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can > plug it in. > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 > miles. You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited > amount it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else > from the lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure > washer, generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as > spec'd by VW, the pickup is about the same based on the oil change > indicator in the truck's computer. > > -Curt > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am > really in the mood for one again. > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > Thanks > Troy > 77 240d > 81 300d > 83 300cd > 06 E320 CDI > 06 S500 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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Does anyone recall the nasty stuff that had graphite in it in the 80s? If you think diesel oil on your hands is bad, it’s nothing compared to the stuff that had graphite in it. -D > On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > NAPA had it last time I bought. I haven't checked lately. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: >> Where do you get it? >> The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK >> that's super illegal in the US... >> >> I like M1 TDT because its easily available. Which is what really annoys >> me about the 2015 Jetta which requires oil that meets VW's spec. >> >> I think I've mentioned that I had been using LiquiMoly 4100 in Angie's >> Golf but the price has gone up 50% to nearly $50/gallon. Last oil >> change I switched to Rotella T6 because it was on sale at Tractor >> Supply for $25/gal. The VW community says it'll meet the standard for >> that car although its not listed. Lots of people using it over 100,000 >> miles. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I've been using this lately. >> >> https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ >> >> Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. >> >> It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive >> my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing >> any more than it already has. >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: >>> Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x >>> engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were >>> OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important to me at the time. A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can plug it in. IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the truck's computer. -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am really in the mood for one again. Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could you guys offer the most current wisdom. I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. Thanks Troy 77 240d 81 300d 83 300cd 06 E320 CDI 06 S500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
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When I was driving my '83 240D I was getting CarQuest 15w40 for like $4/gallon. One time they had 3 gallon jugs that had leaked. They'd each lost maybe a pint. The guy knew me and let me have them for $1 each. It felt like Christmas. Curt Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Remember when Delo was $6/gallon? 2010. I put it in everything. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NAPA had it last time I bought. I haven't checked lately. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: > Where do you get it? > The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK > that's super illegal in the US... > > I like M1 TDT because its easily available. Which is what really annoys > me about the 2015 Jetta which requires oil that meets VW's spec. > > I think I've mentioned that I had been using LiquiMoly 4100 in Angie's > Golf but the price has gone up 50% to nearly $50/gallon. Last oil > change I switched to Rotella T6 because it was on sale at Tractor > Supply for $25/gal. The VW community says it'll meet the standard for > that car although its not listed. Lots of people using it over 100,000 > miles. > > -Curt > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > I've been using this lately. > > https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ > > Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. > > It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive > my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing > any more than it already has. > > Allan > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: >> Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x >> engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were >> OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing >>> to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to >>> go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below >>> about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important >>> to me at the time. >>> >>> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can >>> plug it in. >>> >>> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot >>> loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd >>> want real oil analysis to know for sure. >>> >>> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall >>> Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs >>> every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the >>> lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, >>> generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, >>> the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the >>> truck's computer. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am >>> really in the mood for one again. >>> >>> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could >>> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >>> >>> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Troy >>> 77 240d >>> 81 300d >>> 83 300cd >>> 06 E320 CDI >>> 06 S500 >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Remember when Delo was $6/gallon? 2010. I put it in everything. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Where do you get it? The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK that's super illegal in the US... I like M1 TDT because its easily available. Which is what really annoys me about the 2015 Jetta which requires oil that meets VW's spec. I think I've mentioned that I had been using LiquiMoly 4100 in Angie's Golf but the price has gone up 50% to nearly $50/gallon. Last oil change I switched to Rotella T6 because it was on sale at Tractor Supply for $25/gal. The VW community says it'll meet the standard for that car although its not listed. Lots of people using it over 100,000 miles. -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I've been using this lately. https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any more than it already has. Allan On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> >> >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing >> to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to >> go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below >> about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important >> to me at the time. >> >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can >> plug it in. >> >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot >> loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd >> want real oil analysis to know for sure. >> >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall >> Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs >> every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the >> lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, >> generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, >> the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the >> truck's computer. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am >> really in the mood for one again. >> >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >> >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >> >> Thanks >> Troy >> 77 240d >> 81 300d >> 83 300cd >> 06 E320 CDI >> 06 S500 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I ran long OCIs on the OM601 cars I had but not on the 616, of course both that I had leaked/consumed oil so I never bothered with synthetic and analysis... -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 04:05:44 PM EDT, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing to > start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to go. > With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below about > 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important to me at > the time. > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can > plug it in. > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot > loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd > want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall > Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs > every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the lawnmowers > to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, generator, etc) > gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, the pickup is about > the same based on the oil change indicator in the truck's computer. > > -Curt > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am > really in the mood for one again. > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > Thanks > Troy > 77 240d > 81 300d > 83 300cd > 06 E320 CDI > 06 S500 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many engines of that vintage. The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, and go from there. I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just fine for you as well. It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the decision is ultimately yours. Good shopping! Dan > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am > really in the mood for one again. > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > Thanks > Troy > 77 240d > 81 300d > 83 300cd > 06 E320 CDI > 06 S500 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Changing the oil annually on my W126 300SD regardless of mileage/oil brand is a good way to inspect the car and undertake preventive maintenance at the same time. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I've been using this lately. https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any more than it already has. Allan On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> >> >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing >> to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to >> go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below >> about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important >> to me at the time. >> >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can >> plug it in. >> >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot >> loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd >> want real oil analysis to know for sure. >> >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall >> Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs >> every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the >> lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, >> generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, >> the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the >> truck's computer. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am >> really in the mood for one again. >> >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >> >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >> >> Thanks >> Troy >> 77 240d >> 81 300d >> 83 300cd >> 06 E320 CDI >> 06 S500 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing to > start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to go. > With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below about > 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important to me at > the time. > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can > plug it in. > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot > loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd > want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall > Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs > every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the lawnmowers > to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, generator, etc) > gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, the pickup is about > the same based on the oil change indicator in the truck's computer. > > -Curt > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am > really in the mood for one again. > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > Thanks > Troy > 77 240d > 81 300d > 83 300cd > 06 E320 CDI > 06 S500 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was important to me at the time. A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you can plug it in. IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the truck's computer. -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes wrote: I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and am really in the mood for one again. Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could you guys offer the most current wisdom. I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. Thanks Troy 77 240d 81 300d 83 300cd 06 E320 CDI 06 S500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
