Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 19:02:29 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 3000-3500 lbs

The manual says with options it can weigh up to 4000 lbs (1814.3695 kg).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I’m excited to see what it can do. I’m more excited about the Ranalah English 
wheel I’m getting in the bundle!

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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Get it, unless it's totally junk. Our old South Bend 10K lathe is very
> useful for lots of things, even though it's mostly worn out. I need to
> rebuild it, but I don't want to stop the airplane projects long enough to
> do it. I just make do, and it's close enough for the work I've been doing
> with it.
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:29 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was
>> already consummated. Fingers crossed!
>> 
>> If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has
>> a few Pullmax machines!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I work like 5 miles from Chicago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
>>> 
>>> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in
>> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I
>> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe
>> and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to
>> figure out how to run it on my residential service.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
>>>> attention to the following items:
>>>> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
>>>> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
>>>> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
>>>> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
>>>> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
>>>> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play
>> and
>>>> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of
>> the
>>>> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
>>>> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper
>> seals
>>>> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
>>>> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws
>> are
>>>> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't
>> have
>>>> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs
>> against
>>>> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not
>> be
>>>> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
>>>> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross
>> slide
>>>> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
>>>> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with
>> cutting
>>>> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw,
>> let
>>>> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
>>>> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw
>> is
>>>> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth
>> cuts
>>>> won't be made.
>>>> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
>>>> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be
>> split
>>>> nuts.
>>>> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is,
>> more
>>>> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
>>>> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
>>>> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
>>>> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small
>> parts
>>>> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
>>>> 7. Look at and

Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

3000-3500 lbs

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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder what it weighs?
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 09/01/2023 4:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
 On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
 Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, 
 whatever that means.
 
 
 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I wonder what it weighs?

Randy


On 09/01/2023 4:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool!

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html

Randy



On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever 
that means.








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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Get it, unless it's totally junk. Our old South Bend 10K lathe is very
useful for lots of things, even though it's mostly worn out. I need to
rebuild it, but I don't want to stop the airplane projects long enough to
do it. I just make do, and it's close enough for the work I've been doing
with it.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:29 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was
> already consummated. Fingers crossed!
>
> If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has
> a few Pullmax machines!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I work like 5 miles from Chicago.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
> >
> > Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in
> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I
> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe
> and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to
> figure out how to run it on my residential service.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
> >> attention to the following items:
> >> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
> >> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
> >> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
> >> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
> >> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
> >> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play
> and
> >> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of
> the
> >> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
> >> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper
> seals
> >> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
> >> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws
> are
> >> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't
> have
> >> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs
> against
> >> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not
> be
> >> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
> >> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross
> slide
> >> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
> >> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with
> cutting
> >> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw,
> let
> >> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
> >> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw
> is
> >> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth
> cuts
> >> won't be made.
> >> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
> >> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be
> split
> >> nuts.
> >> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is,
> more
> >> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
> >> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
> >> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
> >> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small
> parts
> >> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
> >> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
> >> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
> >> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the
> lathe?
> >> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt
> >> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
> >> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
> >> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
>

Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes thank you. Aren’t those monarchs cool!

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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
>> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, 
>> whatever that means.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Thanks Rick. I would have taken you up on that offer but the deal was already 
consummated. Fingers crossed!

If I buy anything else from that guy I might have you check it out. He has a 
few Pullmax machines!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I work like 5 miles from Chicago.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 8, 2023 3:38 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe
> 
> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in 
> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want 
> so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and 
> photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out 
> how to run it on my residential service.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
>> attention to the following items:
>> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
>> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
>> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
>> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
>> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
>> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and
>> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the
>> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
>> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals
>> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
>> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are
>> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have
>> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against
>> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be
>> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
>> 1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide
>> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
>> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting
>> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let
>> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
>> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is
>> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts
>> won't be made.
>> 2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
>> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split
>> nuts.
>> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more
>> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
>> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
>> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
>> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts
>> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
>> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
>> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
>> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe?
>> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt
>> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
>> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
>> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
>> 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much.
>> Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world?
>> You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and
>> written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing.
>> Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping.
>> [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ]
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a
>>> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check
>>> the bearings on them to 

Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

http://www.lathes.co.uk/monarch/page2.html

Randy


On 07/01/2023 11:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever 
that means.






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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I work like 5 miles from Chicago.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in Chicago. 
I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want so I can 
only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and photos! 
Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out how to run 
it on my residential service.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
> attention to the following items:
> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and
> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the
> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals
> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are
> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have
> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against
> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be
> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
>  1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide
> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting
> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let
> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is
> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts
> won't be made.
>  2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split
> nuts.
> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more
> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts
> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe?
> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt
> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
> 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much.
> Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world?
> You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and
> written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing.
> Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping.
> [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ]
>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a
>> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check
>> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of
>> play.  i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery
>> several decades old.  It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily
>> available, I don't know about this brand
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
>> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
>> whatever that means.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> __

Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes, Jaime is using a VFD to power a 3 phase air compressor in his garage. 
Looks like I’ll probably go that route. 

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> On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 16:37, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in 
>> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I 
>> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the 
>> lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I 
>> have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. 
> 
> I knew a guy that had set up a machine shop in his gargage, he somehow used 
> an extra three-phase motor (maybe as a generator?) to create three-phase 
> power in the shop. Nowadays I think variable frequency drives are the way to 
> do this electronically.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 16:37, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in 
> Chicago. I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I 
> want so I can only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the 
> lathe and photos! Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I 
> have to figure out how to run it on my residential service. 

I knew a guy that had set up a machine shop in his gargage, he somehow used an 
extra three-phase motor (maybe as a generator?) to create three-phase power in 
the shop. Nowadays I think variable frequency drives are the way to do this 
electronically.

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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Wow thank you! Unfortunately, I can’t inspect it in person as it’s in Chicago. 
I’m buying it as a bundle package with an English wheel that I want so I can 
only go by what the seller tells me, the history of the lathe and photos! 
Another issue is that it’s a 3 phase machine so I have to figure out how to run 
it on my residential service. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
> attention to the following items:
> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and
> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the
> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals
> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are
> what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have
> an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against
> a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be
> worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
>  1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide
> back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting
> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let
> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is
> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts
> won't be made.
>  2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split
> nuts.
> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more
> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts
> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe?
> Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt
> drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
> 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much.
> Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world?
> You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and
> written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing.
> Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping.
> [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ]
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a
>> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check
>> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of
>> play.  i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery
>> several decades old.  It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily
>> available, I don't know about this brand
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
>> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
>> whatever that means.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Thank you. I’ll look it over.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:28 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know anything about it, but I did find a link to the manual for it:
> http://me.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Monarch-10EE-Lathe-Manual.pdf
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:52 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
>> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
>> whatever that means.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, at 00:52, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, 
> whatever that means.

Based on glancing through the manual that Don posted, probably no longer uses 
vacuum tube rectifiers, maybe other components that are no longer available 
have been replaced with modern equivalents.

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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The full manual that Don posted the link for is refreshingly exact and
complete.
Very typical for how things were done back when the lathe was new. Worked
well then, still works well...
Suggest you print and save for future ownership and use.
Well done Don !

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 10:47 AM G Mann  wrote:

> I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
> attention to the following items:
> 1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
> [most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
> the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
> 2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
> traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
> center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and
> leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the
> gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
> getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals
> are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
> 3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws
> are what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't
> have an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs
> against a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should
> not be worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
>   1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross
> slide back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
> engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting
> tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let
> the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
> threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is
> worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts
> won't be made.
>   2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
> fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split
> nuts.
> Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more
> free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
> 4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
> 5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
> 6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts
> for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
> 7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
> worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
> 8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the
> lathe? Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat
> belt drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
> 9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
> was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
> 10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much.
> Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world?
> You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and
> written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing.
> Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female
> shopping.
> [Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ]
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a
>> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check
>> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of
>> play.  i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery
>> several decades old.  It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily
>> available, I don't know about this brand
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
>> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
>> whatever that means.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I suggest you do a complete inspection of the lathe which gives careful
attention to the following items:
1. Condition of the bed ways. Look for wear points, damage from a crash
[most common in the area under the chuck] but it could be anywhere along
the bed travel of the center rest, or the tail stock.
2. Condition of the gibs everywhere there are gibs. These are the little
traveler pieces that take up slack in the various moving pieces of the
center rest, and keep the lathe cutting accurately, [removes free play and
leaves just enough clearance to hold a layer of oil] .. also, each of the
gibs should have a "gib wiper seal" which keeps chips and debri from
getting between the gibs and the way they travel on. If the gib wiper seals
are dry and hard, the lathe operator contributed to its abuse.
3. Check all the lead screws for wear and excess free play. Lead screws are
what keep tight cutting tool position, so if they have wear you don't have
an accurate, repeatable cutting lathe.. ALSO.. each lead screw runs against
a lead screw nut, which should have been kept lubricated and should not be
worn [but often are].. You will find typically 3 lead screws,
  1.a. A lead screw that lays under the bed front and moves the cross slide
back and forth. Visual inspect it for wear, also, that lead screw is
engaged via a split nut, which lets you move the center rest [with cutting
tool] by hand or, by closing the split nut and engaging the lead screw, let
the lathe drive the cut to the cut speed you have selected, or, to make
threads [again, via the gear selection you made ]... If the lead screw is
worn, OR the split nut is worn, threads won't cut right, long smooth cuts
won't be made.
  2.a There will be two more lead screws in the cross slide, both with
fixed nuts, unless the lathe has power cross slide, then they will be split
nuts.
Again, inspect closely for wear, amount of free play, etc.. rule is, more
free play yields sloppy cut control and less accurate results.
4. Chuck [or chucks] what does it have and how beat up are they?
5. Tailstock tooling... what does it come with?
6. Does it have a collet adapter that lets you chuck and hold small parts
for repeat cuts and production of small parts?
7. Look at and carefully inspect the gearbox.. are the bearings tight or
worn, are the gears in good condition, or is there evidence of damage?
8. What type of drive is used to get the power from the motor to the lathe?
Is it flat belt or V belt.. [1938 would most likely have been flat belt
drive as delivered,, has it been converted, if so, was it done nicely..
9. Electronics? Visually inspect the work of whoever did it to ensure it
was done nicely,,, not a kluge job.
10. Replacement parts: Are they available, from where, and for how much.
Is there a parts manual and a maintenance manual anywhere in the world?
You will find 1938 manuals for machine tools are extremely detailed and
written for the presumed professional machinist... which is refreshing.
Good luck, and enjoy it, making things is the male equal of female shopping.
[Don't forget the tool shopping list to support your new addiction, ]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a
> standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check
> the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of
> play.  i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery
> several decades old.  It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily
> available, I don't know about this brand
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> > Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
> whatever that means.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A few years ago I looked at an old South Bend lathe.  These were a 
standard back when and very well built but I read that you have to check 
the bearings on them to make sure they aren't worn out with a lot of 
play.  i suppose the same cautions would apply to any piece of machinery 
several decades old.  It appeared that SB parts were fairly readily 
available, I don't know about this brand


--FT

On 1/8/23 12:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded. 
Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics, whatever 
that means.

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Re: [MBZ] Monarch 10EE lathe

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I don't know anything about it, but I did find a link to the manual for it:
http://me.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Monarch-10EE-Lathe-Manual.pdf


On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:52 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone know anything about these? Seems like they are well regarded.
> Considering getting one. It’s a 1939 vintage, has updated electrics,
> whatever that means.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch

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That's a real blast from the past. And it should probably stay there...
The grille is the only attractive feature.

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> > Butterfly?
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Should do you for another 20.
> >> >
> >> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> > Wickford RI
> >> >
> >> > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I
> have
> >> >> seen in probably 20 years.
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Re: [MBZ] Monarch

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Mercury

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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Butterfly?
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Should do you for another 20.
>> >
>> > Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > Wickford RI
>> >
>> > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have
>> >> seen in probably 20 years.
>> >>
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Butterfly?

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> They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Should do you for another 20.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2017 2:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I passed one driving down the interstate earlier today. First one I have
> >> seen in probably 20 years.
> >>
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They should put it on BAT and get $17k for it.

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> Should do you for another 20.
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Should do you for another 20.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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