Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Yes, someday I will cross that bridge. Not looking forward to it. Glad to hear he was successful with your car. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 clay monroe wrote: >Watch out, Max, yours is next. Indy has three 606 engines that have >the same issue this week. Two of mine were welded/carboned in. He was >going to have to remove the head to get them out, but given that it >would triple the repair bill, he spent four hours slowly torquing on >them to get them out. The other two E300D were newer and not as lucky. >They have heads at the machine shop getting rebuilt. This is a know >issue with that engine. Just a matter of time. I have already had the >head of this car to gain access to stuck GP. Twice in 10 years dealing >with them is a pain. > >clay > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Watch out, Max, yours is next. Indy has three 606 engines that have the same issue this week. Two of mine were welded/carboned in. He was going to have to remove the head to get them out, but given that it would triple the repair bill, he spent four hours slowly torquing on them to get them out. The other two E300D were newer and not as lucky. They have heads at the machine shop getting rebuilt. This is a know issue with that engine. Just a matter of time. I have already had the head of this car to gain access to stuck GP. Twice in 10 years dealing with them is a pain. clay On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > I've heard that one of the key steps for removing OM606 glow plugs is to do > so on a hot engine. The amount of torque that will result in breaking one > off in the head is really low, like 35Nm. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > > clay monroe wrote: > >> My nasty diesel is now the E300D. For some reason the glow plugs are >> not warming. At least two have stopped, so it belches a huge smoke >> screen of a cold morn. Took it to the car docktor. Same indy who >> works on Frosch. He called not 20 minutes after I left it for him to >> patch up in the morning. Since it was there he took a look at it. >> Leaking seals and fuel all over, dead GPs, more tribulations. Do I >> want to spend $1500 to repair? >> >> Beats spending $25k to replace, but SWMBA is now blaming me for the >> demise of all tri-star vehicles. Gump, Frosch, and now the car she >> passed down to me. At least the repair bills for the cars I drive >> amount to less than three months of her car payments per annum. >> >> >> >> clay >> >> >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: >> >>> No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. >>> >>> Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta >> been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. >>> >>> --R (sent from my miniPad) >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon >> wrote: >>> >>> I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is >> causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines >> and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires >> generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. >> Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten >> years plus. >>> >>> Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two >> folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, >> this time focus on global (non) warming. >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 >>> >>> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. > Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel > school busses are killing our kids. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) _ >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
I've heard that one of the key steps for removing OM606 glow plugs is to do so on a hot engine. The amount of torque that will result in breaking one off in the head is really low, like 35Nm. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 clay monroe wrote: >My nasty diesel is now the E300D. For some reason the glow plugs are >not warming. At least two have stopped, so it belches a huge smoke >screen of a cold morn. Took it to the car docktor. Same indy who >works on Frosch. He called not 20 minutes after I left it for him to >patch up in the morning. Since it was there he took a look at it. >Leaking seals and fuel all over, dead GPs, more tribulations. Do I >want to spend $1500 to repair? > >Beats spending $25k to replace, but SWMBA is now blaming me for the >demise of all tri-star vehicles. Gump, Frosch, and now the car she >passed down to me. At least the repair bills for the cars I drive >amount to less than three months of her car payments per annum. > > > >clay > > >1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran >1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial >POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > >On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. >> >> Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta >been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: >> >> I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is >causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines >and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires >generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. >Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten >years plus. >> >> Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two >folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, >this time focus on global (non) warming. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 >> >> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. >>> >>> >>> Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel school busses are killing our kids. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol > > --R (sent from my miniPad) >>> >>> _ > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Trade the E300D for another W115 and you'll be happy. Or, I'll buy it for $500. Kevin in LaPorte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
My nasty diesel is now the E300D. For some reason the glow plugs are not warming. At least two have stopped, so it belches a huge smoke screen of a cold morn. Took it to the car docktor. Same indy who works on Frosch. He called not 20 minutes after I left it for him to patch up in the morning. Since it was there he took a look at it. Leaking seals and fuel all over, dead GPs, more tribulations. Do I want to spend $1500 to repair? Beats spending $25k to replace, but SWMBA is now blaming me for the demise of all tri-star vehicles. Gump, Frosch, and now the car she passed down to me. At least the repair bills for the cars I drive amount to less than three months of her car payments per annum. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. > > Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta been > piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > > I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is causing > global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines and coal power > plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires generate, they are > "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. Also never mind that global > temperatures have been flat stable for ten years plus. > > Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two folks to > unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, this time focus > on global (non) warming. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > > Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. >> >> >> >>> Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel >>> school busses are killing our kids. >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 >>> >>> Rich Thomas wrote: >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
It is all a bucket of wheat paste! Some do gooder decided to waste time and measured the particulate production of cooking a burger on the grill. Flame broiled burger emits as much particulate matter as the exhaust of an 18 wheeler traversing 40 miles of flat land. Now we can no longer have outdoor cook outs, because filling the grill will account for the same pollution as driving a truck 320 miles. clay On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Someday I'm going to make a batch. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: >Homemade at the restaurant was very good. I was forced to have >Melanie's, after the bottle of luigi Bosca cab Sauvignon. > >--R (sent from my miniPad) > >On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: > >Really? Locally made, or imported from southern Italy? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
If you fall off the end of the world, I call first dibs on your cars and tools. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: >Si. About as far as one can, but mañana we are headed to lose to the >end of the world. > >Trekked on glaciar Perito Moreno today and had some whisky on 400 yo >ice. Yum! > >--R (sent from my miniPad) > >On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: > >That is pretty far south! >-- >Max Dillon >Charleston SC >'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > >Rich Thomas wrote: > >> No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. >> >> Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta >> been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon >> wrote: >> >> I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is >> causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel >engines >> and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires >> generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. >> Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for >ten >> years plus. >> >> Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two >> folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another >round, >> this time focus on global (non) warming. > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Gee Kevin, That sounds like child abuse! This calls for an investigation! How could you have survived?? Oh the shame of it all.. ;-^ LarryT 91 300D On 1/27/2013 7:44 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: usual variation is that diesel school busses are killing our kids. I'm lucky to have made it out alive since the #21 bus I rode to school for many years was an old, warn-out Ford with a Cat 225 (Deuce and a quarter) Diesel that puked blow by from the front and black smoke out the back! Since it frequently broke down, we were often rescued by it's twin #22, the better of the two with no blow by, or #24, a Crown with a Screamin' 6-71 that sure sounded good when wound up! Of course that one was a pusher, so all of the Diesel fumes were left behind. Kevin in LaPorte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Max wrote: > Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel school busses > are killing our kids. > Probably more kids are killed by busses than at SandyHoax. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Homemade at the restaurant was very good. I was forced to have Melanie's, after the bottle of luigi Bosca cab Sauvignon. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Really? Locally made, or imported from southern Italy? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: > I had two limoncellos tonight. > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Max Dillon > wrote: > > Do I hear three? > > Actually, just one more and I'd fall straight to sleep. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Si. About as far as one can, but mañana we are headed to lose to the end of the world. Trekked on glaciar Perito Moreno today and had some whisky on 400 yo ice. Yum! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Max Dillon wrote: That is pretty far south! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: > No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. > > Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta > been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon > wrote: > > I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is > causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines > and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires > generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. > Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten > years plus. > > Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two > folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, > this time focus on global (non) warming. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Really? Locally made, or imported from southern Italy? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: >I had two limoncellos tonight. > >--R (sent from my miniPad) > >On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: > >Do I hear three? > >Actually, just one more and I'd fall straight to sleep. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
That is pretty far south! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: >No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. > >Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta >been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. > >--R (sent from my miniPad) > >On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon >wrote: > >I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is >causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines >and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires >generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. >Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten >years plus. > >Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two >folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, >this time focus on global (non) warming. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
I had two limoncellos tonight. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Do I hear three? Actually, just one more and I'd fall straight to sleep. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Frederick Moir wrote: > Obviously two whiskeys sub-normal. > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > >> >> From: Max Dillon >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel >> >> Ok, all you 123 & 126 owners, you heard the man, time to turn in your > global warming machines, I'll give you scrap value and you'll be glad > to get it. I'm applying now for a grant for my new federal- I mean UN > program to save you from yourselves. Look for the signs "cash for > sooters", have title signed over to "Max Dillon" and you won't have to > pay fines and suffer humiliation later. >> -- >> Max Dillon, >> I swear I've only had one beer so far >> >> Peter Frederick wrote: >> >>> Soot is indeed a huge problem. It doesn't stay suspended for very >>> long, so the effect isn't like CO2 or methane, but it DOES have a > huge >>> impact on the melting of glaciers and ice fields. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Do I hear three? Actually, just one more and I'd fall straight to sleep. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Frederick Moir wrote: >Obviously two whiskeys sub-normal. > >Fred Moir >Lynn MA >Diesel preferred. > > >> >> From: Max Dillon >>To: Mercedes Discussion List >>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel >> >>Ok, all you 123 & 126 owners, you heard the man, time to turn in your >global warming machines, I'll give you scrap value and you'll be glad >to get it. I'm applying now for a grant for my new federal- I mean UN >program to save you from yourselves. Look for the signs "cash for >sooters", have title signed over to "Max Dillon" and you won't have to >pay fines and suffer humiliation later. >>-- >>Max Dillon, >>I swear I've only had one beer so far >> >>Peter Frederick wrote: >> >>>Soot is indeed a huge problem. It doesn't stay suspended for very >>>long, so the effect isn't like CO2 or methane, but it DOES have a >huge >>>impact on the melting of glaciers and ice fields. >> >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
No I got it. Eeeevil projectile projectors and drizzle engines. Here in Patagonia the glaciares started receding 18,000 yr ago, musta been piltdown man driving their milodons around. Muy bien. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon wrote: I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten years plus. Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, this time focus on global (non) warming. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. > > > >> Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel >> school busses are killing our kids. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 >> >> Rich Thomas wrote: >> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol >>> >>> --R (sent from my miniPad) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Obviously two whiskeys sub-normal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Max Dillon >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:02 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel > >Ok, all you 123 & 126 owners, you heard the man, time to turn in your global >warming machines, I'll give you scrap value and you'll be glad to get it. I'm >applying now for a grant for my new federal- I mean UN program to save you >from yourselves. Look for the signs "cash for sooters", have title signed >over to "Max Dillon" and you won't have to pay fines and suffer humiliation >later. >-- >Max Dillon, >I swear I've only had one beer so far > >Peter Frederick wrote: > >>Soot is indeed a huge problem. It doesn't stay suspended for very >>long, so the effect isn't like CO2 or methane, but it DOES have a huge >>impact on the melting of glaciers and ice fields. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nasty diesel
Ok, all you 123 & 126 owners, you heard the man, time to turn in your global warming machines, I'll give you scrap value and you'll be glad to get it. I'm applying now for a grant for my new federal- I mean UN program to save you from yourselves. Look for the signs "cash for sooters", have title signed over to "Max Dillon" and you won't have to pay fines and suffer humiliation later. -- Max Dillon, I swear I've only had one beer so far Peter Frederick wrote: >Soot is indeed a huge problem. It doesn't stay suspended for very >long, so the effect isn't like CO2 or methane, but it DOES have a huge > >impact on the melting of glaciers and ice fields. > >The vast majority has been produced by diesel engines -- the soot from > >forest fires, on top of being much less total than from engines, >doesn't disperse in the same way since it's not the relatively pure, >super fine carbon emitted by diesels. > >Automotive and any truck engine produced after 1995 diesels are not >the problem -- the great majority of the soot is emitted by old smoky >diesel trucks (MACK are probably the worst) and all the unregulated >diesel engines in stationary equipemt and used in seaports. They are >invariably old, fixed timing low compression smoke belching monsters >for some reason, in spite of the fact they are not fuel efficient. > >At any rate, the soot is a serious problem. Again, it's not from the >school bus or your car. > >Gassers also produce more particulates than most people realize -- >it's just too fine to see. It also contains less carcinogenic >material. > >Peter > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Soot is indeed a huge problem. It doesn't stay suspended for very long, so the effect isn't like CO2 or methane, but it DOES have a huge impact on the melting of glaciers and ice fields. The vast majority has been produced by diesel engines -- the soot from forest fires, on top of being much less total than from engines, doesn't disperse in the same way since it's not the relatively pure, super fine carbon emitted by diesels. Automotive and any truck engine produced after 1995 diesels are not the problem -- the great majority of the soot is emitted by old smoky diesel trucks (MACK are probably the worst) and all the unregulated diesel engines in stationary equipemt and used in seaports. They are invariably old, fixed timing low compression smoke belching monsters for some reason, in spite of the fact they are not fuel efficient. At any rate, the soot is a serious problem. Again, it's not from the school bus or your car. Gassers also produce more particulates than most people realize -- it's just too fine to see. It also contains less carcinogenic material. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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usual variation is that diesel school busses are killing our kids. I'm lucky to have made it out alive since the #21 bus I rode to school for many years was an old, warn-out Ford with a Cat 225 (Deuce and a quarter) Diesel that puked blow by from the front and black smoke out the back! Since it frequently broke down, we were often rescued by it's twin #22, the better of the two with no blow by, or #24, a Crown with a Screamin' 6-71 that sure sounded good when wound up! Of course that one was a pusher, so all of the Diesel fumes were left behind. Kevin in LaPorte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant... Driving away in his Diesel car with a rifle hanging in the back window to go get a double 32 oz. drink and a triple burger with deep fat fried fries on the way to a save the whales meeting. Another one for the quotes page, a definite keeper! Kevin, who loves the smell and sound of Diesels, in LaPorte, CO, where there are plenty of big Diesel pickups, but virtually no Diesel Mercedes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've also seen a couple articles claiming that carbon black soot is causing global warming, and the sources are, of course, diesel engines and coal power plants. Never mind what volcanoes and forest fires generate, they are "natural". Only evil humans can be responsible. Also never mind that global temperatures have been flat stable for ten years plus. Rich, you missed the great gun control debate, which only caused two folks to unsubscribe. Might drive away a few more with another round, this time focus on global (non) warming. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. > > > >>Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel >>school busses are killing our kids. >>-- >>Max Dillon >>Charleston SC >>'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 >> >>Rich Thomas wrote: >> >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol >>> >> >--R (sent from my miniPad) > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have seen no data. The funding source makes it suspect too. Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel school busses are killing our kids. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol >--R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same story periodically appears, usual variation is that diesel school busses are killing our kids. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas wrote: >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol > >--R (sent from my miniPad) >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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{Tongue firmly in cheek} You never know when a pod might swim by and beach
themselves.. Just yesterday there was a sighting at WalMart. ;))
Grant..
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Whales in the rural Southwest?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, G Mann wrote:
>
> > I read the article in depth. I know and understand the chemistry from
> > Diesel combustion.
> > One underlying issue immediately comes to mind after thinking the points
> of
> > both through to a logical conclusion.
> >
> > We have reached the point where many very learned people can identify
> > threats to human health however, in each case fail to identify the root
> > cause of all these threats.
> >
> > The root cause is death by city. Man as an organism is not and has not
> > evolved to live in close proximity to others in tightly packed groups. To
> > do so causes the rapid spread of disease, complications, and stress, both
> > to the physical and emotional components of the organism. It is, however,
> > inconvenient to mention that death by city even exists, much less attend
> to
> > it's root cause.
> >
> > Much more convenient to ferret out a multitude of other things to blame,
> > thus relieving said learned individuals of the implied responsibility of
> > having mankind called to task for continuing bad decisions which harm
> > themselves and others .
> >
> > Grant...
> > Driving away in his Diesel car with a rifle hanging in the back window to
> > go get a double 32 oz. drink and a triple burger with deep fat fried
> fries
> > on the way to a save the whales meeting.
> >
>
>
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Whales in the rural Southwest? Dan On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, G Mann wrote: > I read the article in depth. I know and understand the chemistry from > Diesel combustion. > One underlying issue immediately comes to mind after thinking the points of > both through to a logical conclusion. > > We have reached the point where many very learned people can identify > threats to human health however, in each case fail to identify the root > cause of all these threats. > > The root cause is death by city. Man as an organism is not and has not > evolved to live in close proximity to others in tightly packed groups. To > do so causes the rapid spread of disease, complications, and stress, both > to the physical and emotional components of the organism. It is, however, > inconvenient to mention that death by city even exists, much less attend to > it's root cause. > > Much more convenient to ferret out a multitude of other things to blame, > thus relieving said learned individuals of the implied responsibility of > having mankind called to task for continuing bad decisions which harm > themselves and others . > > Grant... > Driving away in his Diesel car with a rifle hanging in the back window to > go get a double 32 oz. drink and a triple burger with deep fat fried fries > on the way to a save the whales meeting. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I read the article in depth. I know and understand the chemistry from Diesel combustion. One underlying issue immediately comes to mind after thinking the points of both through to a logical conclusion. We have reached the point where many very learned people can identify threats to human health however, in each case fail to identify the root cause of all these threats. The root cause is death by city. Man as an organism is not and has not evolved to live in close proximity to others in tightly packed groups. To do so causes the rapid spread of disease, complications, and stress, both to the physical and emotional components of the organism. It is, however, inconvenient to mention that death by city even exists, much less attend to it's root cause. Much more convenient to ferret out a multitude of other things to blame, thus relieving said learned individuals of the implied responsibility of having mankind called to task for continuing bad decisions which harm themselves and others . Grant... Driving away in his Diesel car with a rifle hanging in the back window to go get a double 32 oz. drink and a triple burger with deep fat fried fries on the way to a save the whales meeting. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
