Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Omg it drives like a sports car.

On Mar 2, 2018 8:13 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> So you have the smth shift without the benefit of the lower RPM when
> driving. I wouldn't want an 85 transmission unless there were no other
> options.
>
> MG
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I can beat that:  my '83 TD has an '85 transmission.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:16 PM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So I must have the best of both worlds, an 83 300TD that has an 85
>>> differential in it. I do like that for the lower RPM on the highway but
>>> it
>>> does impact just slightly on the acceleration. The mileage seems to be
>>> very
>>> slightly better with the 85 diff but then it may be just that I've slowed
>>> down a bit.
>>>
>>> I do still have the old transmission in it so the shift has not changed.
>>> I
>>> can still and do like the fact that I can feel it shift.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
  wrote:

 Dan G sez:

> ‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.
> Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
> them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
> production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎
>
> So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[MG via Mercedes]

So you have the smth shift without the benefit of the lower 
RPM when driving. I wouldn't want an 85 transmission unless there 
were no other options.


MG

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I can beat that:  my '83 TD has an '85 transmission.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:16 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


So I must have the best of both worlds, an 83 300TD that has an 85
differential in it. I do like that for the lower RPM on the highway but it
does impact just slightly on the acceleration. The mileage seems to be very
slightly better with the 85 diff but then it may be just that I've slowed
down a bit.

I do still have the old transmission in it so the shift has not changed. I
can still and do like the fact that I can feel it shift.

Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:


On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

Dan G sez:

‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.
Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎


So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I don't know about the W123 trannies (mine was manual) but it's easy to
change the shift "hardness" on the W124 auto-trannies. Pull of a rubber cap
on the vacuum modulator, pull the "T" out with needle nose pliers, turn it
a notch or two, push it back in, put the rubber cap back on. Drive it to
see if you turned the direction you wanted and enough.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:16 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So I must have the best of both worlds, an 83 300TD that has an 85
> differential in it. I do like that for the lower RPM on the highway but it
> does impact just slightly on the acceleration. The mileage seems to be very
> slightly better with the 85 diff but then it may be just that I've slowed
> down a bit.
>
> I do still have the old transmission in it so the shift has not changed. I
> can still and do like the fact that I can feel it shift.
>
> Manfred
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dan G sez:
>>>
>>> ‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.

>>> Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
>>> them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
>>> production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎
>>>
>>
>> So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can beat that:  my '83 TD has an '85 transmission.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:16 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So I must have the best of both worlds, an 83 300TD that has an 85
> differential in it. I do like that for the lower RPM on the highway but it
> does impact just slightly on the acceleration. The mileage seems to be very
> slightly better with the 85 diff but then it may be just that I've slowed
> down a bit.
>
> I do still have the old transmission in it so the shift has not changed. I
> can still and do like the fact that I can feel it shift.
>
> Manfred
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dan G sez:
>>>
>>> ‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.

>>> Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
>>> them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
>>> production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎
>>>
>>
>> So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[MG via Mercedes]

So I must have the best of both worlds, an 83 300TD that has an 
85 differential in it. I do like that for the lower RPM on the 
highway but it does impact just slightly on the acceleration. The 
mileage seems to be very slightly better with the 85 diff but 
then it may be just that I've slowed down a bit.


I do still have the old transmission in it so the shift has not 
changed. I can still and do like the fact that I can feel it shift.


Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:


Dan G sez:


‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.

Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎


So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Dan G sez:
> > >
> > >‎ So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here says no.

> > Rick wrote:
> > 
> > Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of
> > all of them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last
> > model year(s) of a production run are the best. The 210's bear
> > this out also, I believe. ‎

> Craig wrote:
> 
> So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for
> fixing.

I observed no improvement or benefit in driving when comparing the
pre-'85s to the '85s.  But I'm not much for "refinement" at the
expense of practical and usable.  For example, I want to know when
the transmission shifts - NOT have it shift so smoothly it is
unnoticeable.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 01:55:54 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Dan G sez:
> 
> >‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.
> 
> Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of
> them, and it had the best gearing. Usually, the last model year(s) of a
> production run are the best. The 210's bear this out also, I believe. ‎

So you like them for driving and the others dislike them for fixing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan G sez:

>‎So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here >says no.

Not everyone. I like the '85 123. It is the most refined of all of them, and it 
had the best gearing. 
Usually, the last model year(s) of a production run are the best. The 210's 
bear this out also, I believe. ‎

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:51:07 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> >   Danish Pancake Balls (Aebleskiver)
> 
> Yes.  Do you know them?

If I recall correctly, my grandmother cooked them a few times for Easter.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

fmiser wrote:
> klima.  I consider the '85 to be LEAST desirable 123

Klima is what it looked like - heater controls, correct?
So Stu likes the '85 and everyone here says no.  Interesting.
Did anyone want links to the pictures?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
>   Danish Pancake Balls (Aebleskiver)

Yes.  Do you know them?
We used to cook aebleskivers for breakfast when we lived at Drennan,
south of Ellicott, south of Peyton.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Are the SDL saucers not the same?

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 28, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Like trying to find one of the vacuum system “flying saucers” that were 
> unique to that model/year?
> 
> -D 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Scott wrote:

> The 85 may be the best (technically) but it is an orphan in that
> it is incompatible (in a few ways) with earlier models and (in
> many ways) with newer models.

I have a few of the 123 chassis.  And I regret the purchase of the
two that are '85.  Too many fiddly bits, extra parts, and a
klima.  I consider the '85 to be LEAST desirable 123 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Those are plentiful at the Area51parts.com website.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Like trying to find one of the vacuum system “flying saucers” that were
> unique to that model/year?
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 28, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The 85 may be the best (technically) but it is an orphan in that it is
> incompatible (in a few ways) with earlier models and (in many ways) with
> newer models.  I would think this problematic for long-term ownership and
> parts availability.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
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> >> Mountain Man via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:29 AM
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> >> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D
> >>
> >> Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?
> >> t-shirts - mercedeslist did 20-year anniversary t-shirts, fyi...
> >> '85 300D - george at mercedeslist in Visalia Calif has one for sale at
> 2k.  george
> >> used to own a MB shop so he knows mercedes.  Stu mentioned the '85 is
> the
> >> best due to revised transmission settings.
> >> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Like trying to find one of the vacuum system “flying saucers” that were unique 
to that model/year?

-D

> On Feb 28, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 85 may be the best (technically) but it is an orphan in that it is 
> incompatible (in a few ways) with earlier models and (in many ways) with 
> newer models.  I would think this problematic for long-term ownership and 
> parts availability.
> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Mountain Man via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:29 AM
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>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D
>> 
>> Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?
>> t-shirts - mercedeslist did 20-year anniversary t-shirts, fyi...
>> '85 300D - george at mercedeslist in Visalia Calif has one for sale at 2k.  
>> george
>> used to own a MB shop so he knows mercedes.  Stu mentioned the '85 is the
>> best due to revised transmission settings.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Especially if one owns one of the infamous CA version '85 W123
turbodiesels...  These models have several unique parts that are getting
scarcer by the day.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 85 may be the best (technically) but it is an orphan in that it is
> incompatible (in a few ways) with earlier models and (in many ways) with
> newer models.  I would think this problematic for long-term ownership and
> parts availability.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D
> >
> > Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?
> > t-shirts - mercedeslist did 20-year anniversary t-shirts, fyi...
> > '85 300D - george at mercedeslist in Visalia Calif has one for sale at
> 2k.  george
> > used to own a MB shop so he knows mercedes.  Stu mentioned the '85 is the
> > best due to revised transmission settings.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

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The 85 may be the best (technically) but it is an orphan in that it is 
incompatible (in a few ways) with earlier models and (in many ways) with newer 
models.  I would think this problematic for long-term ownership and parts 
availability.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:29 AM
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> Cc: Mountain Man 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D
> 
> Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?
> t-shirts - mercedeslist did 20-year anniversary t-shirts, fyi...
> '85 300D - george at mercedeslist in Visalia Calif has one for sale at 2k.  
> george
> used to own a MB shop so he knows mercedes.  Stu mentioned the '85 is the
> best due to revised transmission settings.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:28:41 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/11037/aebleskiver/
  Aebleskiver - a Danish dessert, like doughnut holes, but sweeter
  and much better. Traditionally served with glogg during Advent.
  Cooked in a cast iron pan that resembles an egg poacher. Serve hot
  with syrup, jam or powdered sugar."

http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/danish-pancake-balls-aebleskiver
  Danish Pancake Balls (Aebleskiver)



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Aebleskiver and t-shirts and '85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's correct - the '85 transmission had over 200 improvements, according
to folklore.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Aebleskiver - Does anyone know Aebleskiver?
> t-shirts - mercedeslist did 20-year anniversary t-shirts, fyi...
> '85 300D - george at mercedeslist in Visalia Calif has one for sale at
> 2k.  george used to own a MB shop so he knows mercedes.  Stu mentioned
> the '85 is the best due to revised transmission settings.
> tin.man
>
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